Safe Act Update, Pistol Permit Recertification Deadline Approaching !

[Edwardteach72]

You want a link (I know you have seen this when I posted it before!) Every state but Vermont charges a renewal fee! And yes they would need to pass a law, Like that would be really hard in this State!

STATE COMPARISON OF GUN PERMIT FEES

But I thought most of y'll aren' going to recirtify becaus this whole thing has been getting so much backlash, how do you think they would pass another law just to add a fee (pretty sure if they thought they could have done that the first time they would have)

 

[Marine Cpl]

In my opinion based on logic, if they thought they could have without backlash they would have. It will come eventually. Baby steps. Let's get them used to recertifying first. Once they are used to that we will impose a tiny handling fee. Once that becomes the norm, we'll change it to a larger fee.

 

[masterswimmer]

I've said this all along. Just watch what happens when they decide to enact a "PP recertification "fee"". Suppose they decided to charge a per handgun fee to recertify, maybe a couple of dollars/firearm. At 1st everyone would bitch about it, but then figure; "this sucks, but it's ONLY a couple of bucks"! So it starts out costing $20-$30 for your 10 or 15 handguns. Then next time they ratchet it up to $5/handgun, what are people going to do? The precedent would have already been set with the 1st fee.

REMEMBER; they are going to confiscate noncompliance people's handguns. Once they do that, then the fear factor will come in, and people will pay the ransom going forward.

I'm telling you, it's coming. There is absolutely no way NYS doesn't capitalize on this.

Can you give us the link or name of where you are getting this information?

Annie Rabbit, Orange County clerk. She, along with undersheriff Ken Jones held a town hall at our club about three months ago. Annie specifically stated there is no fee now, but just wait until the next renewal date, you can guaranty there will be a fee.

 

[MoMan]

Annie Rabbit, Orange County clerk. She, along with undersheriff Ken Jones held a town hall at our club about three months ago. Annie specifically stated there is no fee now, but just wait until the next renewal date, you can guaranty there will be a fee.

<<<<<< my surprised face!

 

[nortatoga]

But I thought most of y'll aren' going to recirtify becaus this whole thing has been getting so much backlash, how do you think they would pass another law just to add a fee (pretty sure if they thought they could have done that the first time they would have)

Don't include me in *y'll* I've said all along this part of the Safe-Act was never going away even if the SCOTUS threw out most of the rest of it!!

And I am also going to do it online as soon as an amendment for a new pistol comes!

 

[Edwardteach72]

Annie Rabbit, Orange County clerk. She, along with undersheriff Ken Jones held a town hall at our club about three months ago. Annie specifically stated there is no fee now, but just wait until the next renewal date, you can guaranty there will be a fee.

So February 1st 2018, or February 2nd 2018 or what next renewal?

 

[Deplorable Me]

I'm not

AGAIN IM NOT SAYING THAT IT COULDNT COME TO THEM CHARGING A FEE

I'm saying there had to be a reason they didn't write a fee into the original law, why there isn't a few already, there is a chance this could blow up in their face they can' keep up with it and back burner the whole thing like they did with the ammo

It's called smoke and mirrors, ask any SUNY student about fees and fees and fees that get heaped onto the tuition bill. They didn't put it in the original bill in part to make the bill look less toxic. The camels nose is under the tent and up our asses.

In case you were wondering, I don't trust the sleazy sums of britches any more than I'd kiss a rattle snake.

 

[masterswimmer]

So February 1st 2018, or February 2nd 2018 or what next renewal?

I can't believe I'm responding to this post, but for the record, she didn't time stamp the comment. Just that the next renewal would include a fee.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I can't believe I'm responding to this post, but for the record, she didn't time stamp the comment. Just that the next renewal would include a fee.

Right but after January 31 2018 renewals, the next ones would be February 1st 2018, oh the ones after that are the 2nd and so on

 

[spat]

Right but after January 31 2018 renewals, the next ones would be February 1st 2018, oh the ones after that are the 2nd and so on

For everyone who renews on the 31st, the next renewal is Jan 31st 2023. I assume that's what she was suggesting.

 

[nortatoga]

Right but after January 31 2018 renewals, the next ones would be February 1st 2018, oh the ones after that are the 2nd and so on

My guess would be after the first 5 year cycle? Which I thought about to late, It may have been better to have done the re-cert last year ? Be ahead of the cycle? Who knows? But I do think at some point there will be a fee!

 

[fartgamer]

You want a link (I know you have seen this when I posted it before!) Every state but Vermont charges a renewal fee! And yes they would need to pass a law, Like that would be really hard in this State!

STATE COMPARISON OF GUN PERMIT FEES

yep, even free states charge a fee for renewals.

I think Indiana issues for life though once you pay to apply.

 

[Jsmegs77]

I pay the fees for my free-state permits. But they don't require me to have a permit to own or handle or keep such things in my house, nor is confiscation of all of my firearms a threat hanging over my head if I don't renew.

Seems like apples and oranges, to me.

 

[Bob]

I pay the fees for my free-state permits. But they don't require me to have a permit to own or handle or keep such things in my house, nor is confiscation of all of my firearms a threat hanging over my head if I don't renew.

Seems like apples and oranges, to me.

Likewise. And none of my other permits are subject to the whims of a judge, nor did they take 6-18 months to be issued.

 

[MilesTeg]

I think they will use the backlog of paper renewals to justify the added fee. Of course this will apply to any renewal you can't discriminate after all.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Or they might charge a fee for paper only at first.

 

[Catskillkid]

Or they might charge a fee for paper only at first.

That would be my guess too. Try to encourage everyone to do it online to save them time/money. Mark my words, though, they'll be a fee at some point. Probably not that bad and comparable to other states at first but will get worse over time.

As @Bob stated above, paying a small fee every five years for a CCL isn't that big of deal in my opinion...if I trusted this state...which I don't. It would be one thing if it was just a CCL like other states have with your guns and serial numbers unlisted (plausible deniability if the gestapo knocks on your door) but with the way we have to list every gun we own along with the fact if you permit is revoked ALL guns (long and hand) get confiscated concerns me. Plus mere accusations or the whim of a judge can get you revoked so...yeah, not looking forward to this at all.

 

[meketrefe]

When applying for this BS are you guys requesting the public records exemption? ....

.....
Are you requesting to have information concerning your firearms license recertification exempt from public record? Yes
4. I have reason to believe that I may be subject to unwarranted harassment upon disclosure.
......

I am saying to prevent unwarranted harassment. That should be the standard most people
use right?

Thanks!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Debate Over Pistol NY Safe Act Recertification Deadline

 

[meketrefe]

So guys are you asking to have the recertification excluded from public records?
It should be done to prevent unwanted harassment.
I don't see a reason why someone would not want this excluded, do you?

Thanks.

 

[Pedro]

So guys are you asking to have the recertification excluded from public records?
It should be done to prevent unwanted harassment.
I don't see a reason why someone would not want this excluded, do you?

Thanks.

Meketrefe, I checked unwarranted harassment.
Pedro.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Debate Over Pistol NY Safe Act Recertification Deadline

Hey this is my local joint

 

[libertysnake]

So guys are you asking to have the recertification excluded from public records?
It should be done to prevent unwanted harassment.
I don't see a reason why someone would not want this excluded, do you?

Thanks.

That's what I put down, without elaborating -- and my recert went through in under 5 minutes. Maybe less.

It's also a true answer, by far. I've had people harass me for being an owner / supporter of firearms before. Both online and in person. So it is absolutely true, and none of us should even hesitate to put down a truth like that.

 

[Bananabandit]

Since I wasnt around you female intimate cleaning devices...I almost forgot about it. Saw it on the news, luckily.

sooo uhhh who wants to pay for my moving truck?

 

[meketrefe]

That's what I put down, without elaborating -- and my recert went through in under 5 minutes. Maybe less.

It's also a true answer, by far. I've had people harass me for being an owner / supporter of firearms before. Both online and in person. So it is absolutely true, and none of us should even hesitate to put down a truth like that.

Talking like a free man!

I agree. Thanks!

 

[rpf427]

So guys are you asking to have the recertification excluded from public records?
It should be done to prevent unwanted harassment.
I don't see a reason why someone would not want this excluded, do you?

Thanks.

Did it today. Biggest pain in the ass was typing in all the firearm info. Also checked excluded for unwanted harassment, with no explanation. Went right through, like Libertysnake. Put it off as long as I could, so finally bit the bullet.
Now FUAC can bite my bag.

 

[libertysnake]

Did it today. Biggest pain in the ass was typing in all the firearm info. Also checked excluded for unwanted harassment, with no explanation. Went right through, like Libertysnake. Put it off as long as I could, so finally bit the bullet.
Now FUAC can bite my bag.

When I called NYSP, the officer I spoke to more or less told me that reason #4 is sufficient for them, and they weren't giving people a hard time about it. It's only if you check the box for a reason like "my life or the life of my spouse is in danger" that it requires really a more specific answer.

However, this was ... a while back, at least a year ago, when I filled my exemption on paper before trying to re-file it again with the recert. Whenever I see the question, I always file it identically going forward so I won't have any questions like "why didn't you check it off here?" I always check it off. If I get questions / they want more of a reason, I'll tell the truth. Namely, that people have harassed me both publicly and privately for being a firearms owner. I'd be surprised if someone on this board had not experienced such treatment at some point in their lives -- whether at a dinner table, on Facebook, or otherwise.

 

[meketrefe]

The question is why would anyone want to have their private choices be published?
Is there like a Christians, Muslims or Native Americans, Whites, blacks, etc... public record for everyone to see?
I mean, Aside of the demographics data that some people collect based on optional surveys but not really mandatory.
Like the 2A, it is all based on pretty fundamental rights.

...This whole thing is just such a joke and a waste of time and money.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Debate Over Pistol NY Safe Act Recertification Deadline

Debate? What debate? Do they allow debates in dictatorships?

 

[libertysnake]

The question is why would anyone want to have their private choices be published?
Is there like a Christians, Muslims or Native Americans, Whites, blacks, etc... public record for everyone to see?
I mean, Aside of the demographics data that some people collect based on optional surveys but not really mandatory.
Like the 2A, it is all based on pretty fundamental rights.

...This whole thing is just such a joke and a waste of time and money.

It's dangerous is what it is. If someone breaks into my house because they know I have AKs and pistols, then whose fault is it? Is it my fault, or is it the fault of the government that recklessly published that information with no factual basis for why it's necessary to do so? I say the latter.

 

[masterswimmer]

My bitching is with the way the default assumption is with the opt-out question. IMO there should be no reason to opt-out. The default should be opt-out and the question should read, 'Check here if you'd LIKE your handgun permit information released publicly'. FUAC