Schumer: we will sue POTUS if he uses EO to help Americans

[Jmac00]

thats right, Schmucky Schumer is responding to Trump’s threat to use a sweeping executive order to deal out relief to victims of this ongoing pandemic lockdown with a threat of his own: “Schumer warns that if the President goes ahead with broader executive orders, they will be “litigated””

Yep. Schumer and Pelosi say it’s their way or the highway when it comes to relief. Nobody gets relief unless they say so. NOBODY.

Schumer threatens to SUE to stop Trump from using EO to give Americans RELIEF

Schmucky Schumer is responding to Trump’s threat to use a sweeping executive order to deal out relief to victims of this ongoing pandemic lockdown with a threat of his own: “Schumer war…

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[BDinPutnam]

As much as I hate him, he's in the right here, legally.

 

[spat]

As much as I hate him, he's in the right here, legally.

Depends on where the money comes from.

There are plenty of places in the Federal budget whose definition could be stretched to include something like this.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Depends on where the money comes from.

There are plenty of places in the Federal budget whose definition could be stretched to include something like this.

Some of the shit he was talking about (extending payroll tax cut e.g.) is clearly not within the rubric of the Executive branch.

 

[spat]

Some of the shit he was talking about (extending payroll tax cut e.g.) is clearly not within the rubric of the Executive branch.

It shouldn't be, but the Democrats have set decades of precedent that say things like that *are*.

If WE followed precedent we could sue the Trump administration if they allowed them to expire (see DACA).

The other side stopped playing by the official rules a long time ago. It's time we started beating them at their own game.

 

[BDinPutnam]

It shouldn't be, but the Democrats have set decades of precedent that say things like that *are*.

If WE followed precedent we could sue the Trump administration if they allowed them to expire (see DACA).

The other side stopped playing by the official rules a long time ago. It's time we started beating them at their own game.

Pass.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[spat]

Pass.

You should decide now how bad things have to get before you consider the system unsalvageable.

If you step into the ring for a boxing match and your opponent grabs a baseball bat, are you still going to avoid hitting him below the belt?

 

[Steal2B]

The EOs here were probably started as political theater and to put some pressure on the stalled process.

Apparently some draft EOs have been sent to the Oval Office for consideration that redirect unspent approved CV19 funds as the funding basis for much if not all the draft EOs. Certainly less reaching than BHO Daca BS.

I'm not sure I'll bother making popcorn to watch the show.

 

[GOYABEAN]

The demturd's know our country is hurting but they'll continue playing there game's because it's what they have always done especially now since they can't find anything else to throw at Present Trump they've sold their souls to the devil and beyond prior to Trump being elected into office they don't give a rat's ass what happens to the American people just what they can milk and steal from them at all cost

 

[masterswimmer]

I guess Schmucky and drunken Pelosi are pissed there isn't another $25 million for the Kennedy Center for Performing Arts.

FUCS
FUNP

 

[Defilade]

Seems like Executive Orders have been used Against the people more then not! Ask Cuomo!

 

[Blimey]

Some of the shit he was talking about (extending payroll tax cut e.g.) is clearly not within the rubric of the Executive branch.

He just signed.

I hope he loses this. I first heard of the payroll tax thought months ago and posted about it in the DOW thread about what a stupid idea it was. It was then, is now. I don't support this at all.

https://nygunforum.com/threads/coronavirus-outbreak-merged-threads.35350/post-681527

 

[whatwasithinking]

He just signed.

I hope he loses this. I first heard of the payroll tax thought months ago and posted about it in the DOW thread about what a stupid idea it was. It was then, is now. I don't support this at all.

https://nygunforum.com/threads/coronavirus-outbreak-merged-threads.35350/post-681527

Oh ... please explain.

From where I stand, I see Trump trying to help where the Democrats fantastically failed.

 

[Blimey]

Oh ... please explain

Please explain why it's a bad idea for the government to stop bringing in a trillion dollars a year in taxes, while continuing to provide the services that those taxes are needed to support?

 

[whatwasithinking]

If you are referring to the federal deficit ... paying that back just isn't going to happen. It's too far down the drain to save it. I've paid into social security for far too long now for me to want to see it fail. BUT ... I'm not optimistic that it will be available when I want to start drawing on it.

The tax relief is for people who need it now. Schumer and the D's are playing politics with other peoples lives and financial well being at stake.

 

[Bob]

This is only a temporary suspension of the collection of payroll taxes. Unless Trump is reelected and it gets passed by Congress, we'll still be on the hook for all of the taxes April 15.

 

[Blimey]

If you are referring to the federal deficit ... paying that back just isn't going to happen. It's too far down the drain to save it. I've paid into social security for far too long now for me to want to see it fail. BUT ... I'm not optimistic that it will be available when I want to start drawing on it.

The tax relief is for people who need it now. Schumer and the D's are playing politics with other peoples lives and financial well being at stake.

It REALLY won't be available if they stop pulling in money.

But in fact that won't happen. It will go nowhere. All that would happen if the democrats are unsuccessful suing trump (I hope they trash him in the courts over this) is your taxes will eventually skyrocket.

People who "need it now" are already employed. This doesn't even help unemployed people. So you've got a man and wife each making $100k and now they pay no payroll tax? They were doing okay.

At this rate i don't know why we pay any taxes. Let's just have the federal reserve cover 100% of tax receipts.

This is only a temporary suspension of the collection of payroll taxes. Unless Trump is reelected and it gets passed by Congress, we'll still be on the hook for all of the taxes April 15.

Good.

The deficit is totally fucking insane already. We need to deal with the economy intelligently, not with a shotgun approach. People who are still employed are the last people who need help right now.

 

[whatwasithinking]

At this rate i don't know why we pay any taxes. Let's just have the federal reserve cover 100% of tax receipts.
Good.

The deficit is totally fucking insane already. We need to deal with the economy intelligently, not with a shotgun approach. People who are still employed are the last people who need help right now.

That's pretty much the game now ... the US Dollar is backed by absolutely NOTHING! It's not tied to gold, silver or anything of value. Ssooo the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air (also known as QE), while the Treasury controls the money supply in circulation.

 

[Truebeliever]

It’s a political trap set by Trump.

The democrats sue to block it, what does it say about them. They sued to cut off unemployment benefits?

Win or lose in court, Trump puts the democrats in a corner.

Plus with appeals, he might be able to drag it out until November

 

[BDinPutnam]

This is only a temporary suspension of the collection of payroll taxes. Unless Trump is reelected and it gets passed by Congress, we'll still be on the hook for all of the taxes April 15.

Last I checked tax policy is squarely in the legislature's court.

 

[whatwasithinking]

Last I checked tax policy is squarely in the legislature's court.

Desperate rules for desperate times ....

 

[BDinPutnam]

Desperate rules for desperate times ....

Nope.

 

[Blimey]

It’s a political trap set by Trump.

The democrats sue to block it, what does it say about them. They sued to cut off unemployment benefits?

Win or lose in court, Trump puts the democrats in a corner.

Plus with appeals, he might be able to drag it out until November

OH, I agree it's a trap. One he's probably going into head first. If they sue and win it doesn't show them as not helping the economy--it shows him as overstepping his power, and doing so incompetently.

The dems and repubs were already talking about legislation. Trump got impatient.

How many people here decried Obama and his executive orders such as DACA? And now we're going to just sit and cheer while the president enacts one of the biggest tax cuts ever because he wants to? Not me.

Next time a democratic president starts signing whatever the hell he wants because he's had a few beer you better not say a word.

Emperor Cuomo's measly little orders are nothing compared to this.

Desperate rules for desperate times ....

Message of necessity?

 

[Chevusa]

Depends on where the money comes from.

There are plenty of places in the Federal budget whose definition could be stretched to include something like this.

The money was already appointed. There is $2B unused.

 

[Chevusa]

This will be a popular thing to do. Prevent Americans from getting the money they need. Only an extreme case of TDS would provoke this. I’m sure it will go over well with voters.

 

[whatwasithinking]

Message of necessity?

Vuja de .... definitely

 

[Chevusa]

OH, I agree it's a trap. One he's probably going into head first. If they sue and win it doesn't show them as not helping the economy--it shows him as overstepping his power, and doing so incompetently.

The dems and repubs were already talking about legislation. Trump got impatient.

How many people here decried Obama and his executive orders such as DACA? And now we're going to just sit and cheer while the president enacts one of the biggest tax cuts ever because he wants to? Not me.

Next time a democratic president starts signing whatever the hell he wants because he's had a few beer you better not say a word.

Emperor Cuomo's measly little orders are nothing compared to this.
Message of necessity?

They were nowhere close to a deal. The Dems insisted on cash for illegals and a ton of other things that had nothing to do with the China Virus. They did not make a good faith effort.

 

[Blimey]

They were nowhere close to a deal. The Dems insisted on cash for illegals and a ton of other things that had nothing to do with the China Virus. They did not make a good faith effort.

That really doesn't matter, though. Lack of good faith is going into the negotiations and then if they don't go your way just saying fuck it I'm doing it live, and then signing whatever you like. I promise we'd all be enraged if Obama had done this.

 

[whatwasithinking]

Trump's EOs cover:
* Supplemental Unemployment Benefits
* Student Loan Relief
* Eviction Protection
* Payroll Tax Holiday

What's NOT in the EOs?
* Funding for Mail-In Voting
* Bail-outs of Democrat Cities
* Special Interest Pork