Vapor
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I'm not even really anti vaccine. Once novavax or other protein subunit is available, I will take the vaccine of my choosing when I choose.
Look, freedom.
Look, freedom.
SCOTUS Rules in favor of CFS. (Common freaken sense) (Covid vaccine mandates)
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Dr. Evil
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Bill Would Bar Entities That Get Federal Funds From Imposing Vax Mandates
Thursday's mixed decision by the U.S. Supreme Court blocked President Joe Biden's vaccine mandates on larger private businesses, but it also allowed s federal healthcare worker mandate to go forward.Now, Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., has introduced a bill that could tap the...
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FRANKIE
6.5 Creedmoor
When they tell Letitia James to go fuck off,
Then they’ll have my full undivided attention
Then they’ll have my full undivided attention
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
What would you have done if the court went the other way?
Vapor
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Gotten the j and j and hoped for the best, unless testing was free.
Then fuck them, they can pay.
96coal449
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I'm sorry to hear that.
Vapor
.308 Win
Trust me, that was a list minute nuclear option for me.
I actually had faith the OSHA mandate wouldn't survive scrutiny.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I refused long before I was told it was a condition of employment. I remain vaccine-free today, even though it is still a condition of employment. Staring at my salary and benefits statement really tested me one of those days, but doing something I don't believe in was never an option.
ManualF150
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As a small business owner myself, and working a full time job delegating others, I would never impose a vaccine mandate on anyone nor would I want to know their vax status. That is their personal business.
There is a line that is drawn in the sand between work related versus personal life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Imposing something that can cause or potentially incur bodily harm on my employees is not even worth it. Even as a business owner, it crosses the line.
To further put it -- I would love it if I was legally told not to be able to force people to take vaccines or the such, like they are doing in some other free states. It sets it in a legal boundary. It separates work from personal life.
I'm not anti-vax, I am anti-mandate.
There is a line that is drawn in the sand between work related versus personal life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Imposing something that can cause or potentially incur bodily harm on my employees is not even worth it. Even as a business owner, it crosses the line.
To further put it -- I would love it if I was legally told not to be able to force people to take vaccines or the such, like they are doing in some other free states. It sets it in a legal boundary. It separates work from personal life.
I'm not anti-vax, I am anti-mandate.
kev74
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Without a federal mandate to hide behind, they'd be assuming a whole lot of liability.
ManualF150
.308 Win
That's why many employers frown upon forcing workers to get flu vaccines. Heck, I worked for a company that quit doing random drug tests because of a lawsuit.
Businesses are in the business to make money -- not lose it in court.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I'm sure very large companies have calculated the risk, and smaller ones may think they won't get sued. It was made clear to me that it is my decision, nobody is forcing me, but it is a condition of employment. Whatever. Maybe it could be considered harassment, but it doesn't seem like discrimination or anything else. Coercion possibly?
Bit of internal conflict with it. I don't like peoples vaccine status being a condition of employment, but I would argue all damn day (maybe Saturday when I don't have stuff to do) that a business has the right to make that a policy. The government though - they have zero say in this whatsoever.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
3 words:
"Hostile work environment".
Put that in your lawsuit.
If you can find a like minded coworker with extra melanin privilege to sue with you, he can tack on racial discrimination.
Blacks refuse the vaccine at a higher rate than whites, and anything that disproportionately affects them has been declared racist.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
didn't know workers were fed funded .. just a hospital may be paid not technically the actual worker .. or does that mean like the VA hospitals all FED Payed ? not your public hospital in town ??
more to lawsuits to come
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BerettaGuy
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When I grew up, Fascism was defined as the joining of Government and Industry to implement policy. This was of course before ANTIFA became the militarized arm of the DNC.
But now I have a question. Isn't this fascism?
President Joe Biden said he was “disappointed that the Supreme Court has chosen to block common-sense life-saving requirements for employees at large businesses that were grounded squarely in both science and the law.”
Biden called on businesses to institute their own vaccination requirements, noting that a third of Fortune 100 companies already have done so.
But now I have a question. Isn't this fascism?
President Joe Biden said he was “disappointed that the Supreme Court has chosen to block common-sense life-saving requirements for employees at large businesses that were grounded squarely in both science and the law.”
Biden called on businesses to institute their own vaccination requirements, noting that a third of Fortune 100 companies already have done so.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
You forgot that Obamacare Nationalized the Health Care Industry into the Health Insurance Industry.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Remember OBAMACARE? The mandate covers virtually all health care workers in the country, applying to providers that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid funding.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
It’s about damn time. Now some common sense fun rulings would be a nice follow up.
Dr. Evil
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CMS, Medicare, Medicaid.
Cavalry
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President Biden's Statement on High Court Nixing Business Vax Mandate
On Thursday, the White House issued a lengthy statement from President Joe Biden responding to the vaccine mandate ruling from the Supreme Court. In it, he lauded the court's upholding of a vax mandate for healthcare workers as live-saving, while also expressing...
From the article
"My administration began to institute vaccination requirements last July, when after months of making vaccinations free and widely available, 90 million Americans were still unvaccinated. Today, that number is down to under 35 million"
Are they using common core math? There are 330M people in the US, 207M are fully vaccinated, 248M have one dose. Even if we remove the 73million Americans under 18 that for the most part wouldn't fall under an OSHA mandate it still does not make sense.
jimc
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That's funny, on July 23 Jen Psaki said it's not the role of the federal gov't to mandate vaccines:
Lol..This J&J ?
J&J Vaccine Gets Additional Warning on Bleeding Side Effect
The fact sheet for Johnson & Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine has been revised by U.S. regulators to warn of the risk of a rare bleeding disorder.
www.bloomberg.com
Dr. Evil
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Companies Drop, Keep, or Reinstate Vaccination Requirement for Employees After SCOTUS Ruling
Companies are reviewing their vaccination requirements after the U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) ruling, with some dropping them, some sticking with them, and some reinstating them. A General Electric …
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ManualF150
.308 Win
Any company that keeps a vax mandate should go out of business. I now refuse to do business with them.
Glad to hear GE is not requiring the vax. No company should be requiring it if they want to stay in business.
Still feel shitty about the healthcare workers.
Glad to hear GE is not requiring the vax. No company should be requiring it if they want to stay in business.
Still feel shitty about the healthcare workers.
John Stark
.44 mag
Employers are strictly regulated as a matter of State and Federal law as to what they can even ask about a person's health as a condition of employment. They can ask if you have any disability that would keep you from fulfilling the job functions necessary to complete tasks, but they cannot make blanket demands about your private and confidential health care, let alone force you to undergo any given medical treatment in order to have a job.
They can refuse someone a job if the applicant has no legs and the job requires lifting, climbing, walking, etc. Even then, they may be required to offer you a reasonable accommodation if such would allow you to fulfill the needs of the job.
Imagine an employer asking an applicant two years ago, "Do you have AIDS? We don't hire people who have AIDS! Do you have diabetes? We don't hire people with diabetes!"
It would be a law suit and a fast settlement. (Same thing applies to a business "open to the public" by the way).
Labor laws, EEOC, ADA, HIPPA are all applicable, let alone our State and Federal constitutional rights. There are literally TONS of laws on the books that deal with discrimination in the work place, and such actions by employers is actionable in a court of law. Indeed, the courts have spoken on this stuff for decades, and in the favor of employees, not employers (typically).
The problem with this Operation WuFlu bullshit has been the fact that people don't know their rights and protections under the law, and the mass mania that has driven people to go along with this horseshit. The politicians have been getting away with this BECAUSE PEOPLE GO ALONG WITH IT.
What has been going on the past couple of years is flagrantly against the law. Obviously so.
John Stark
.44 mag
As far as Roberts and Kavanaugh caving on healthcare workers, it should be no suprise. Roberts has been a total sellout since day one, and Kavanaugh is a social justice warrior who only hired women as his clerks for years to prove his social justice bona fides.
Apparently a majority of our esteemed jurists on that puerile court have never heard the term, "Equal justice before the law?"
Color me surprised.
The healthcare "industry" (what a terrible term to apply to something so essential and personal!) is going to bleed qualified and needed personnel as the smart one flee to free states.
Apparently a majority of our esteemed jurists on that puerile court have never heard the term, "Equal justice before the law?"
Color me surprised.
The healthcare "industry" (what a terrible term to apply to something so essential and personal!) is going to bleed qualified and needed personnel as the smart one flee to free states.
Dr. Evil
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Yes, we are not happy with SCOTUS. Is it fair to say though that if Trump didn't win in 2016 and make the appointments that he did we would be more like Australia now?
Dr. Evil
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Oregon OSHA changes course on vaccine mandates for workers
The Oregon Occupational Safety and Health department announced they will no longer pursue a statewide mandate following the Supreme Court’s decision to block Biden’s federal vaccine mandate on Thur…
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ManualF150
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I'm glad they are rolling this garbage back. Should've never been there in the first place.