SCOTUS rules on Bump-stock issue

[livingston]

The simple majority opinion should have simply been stated, that only the People and Congress through the Constitutional Process, has the authority to change the Bill of Rights and no one else. Nothing more needs to be said. It's a all just a personal opinion and we all know that opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

Joe Biden Responds to SCOTUS Decision By Urging Congress to Ban Bump Stocks​

President Joe Biden called for Congress to ban bump stocks just hours after the Supreme Court of the United States struck down the ATF’s ban on the firearm accessories.
Biden did this via a post to X, where he wrote: “Today’s Supreme Court decision strikes down an important gun safety regulation. We know thoughts and prayers are not enough. I call on Congress to ban bump stocks, pass an assault weapon ban, and take action to save lives – send me a bill and I will sign it immediately.”

Biden Urges Congress to Ban Bump Stocks in Wake of SCOTUS Decision

President Biden reacted to SCOTUS's bump stock decision by asking Congress to pass legislation to ban the firearm accessories.

www.breitbart.com

 

[livingston]

The Bumpstock FALLOUT Begins… Gun Controllers Tip Their Hand In Their Rush To Emotional MELTDOWN...​

 

[SomeSoldier]

Bad news is what Alito wrote:

"A Texas man, Michael Cargill, surrendered his bump stocks, but filed a lawsuit challenging the ATF regulations. Cargill argued that the ATF exceeded its authority in defining bump stocks as machine guns.

In a concurring opinion, Alito wrote, “The horrible shooting spree in Las Vegas in 2017 did not change the statutory text or its meaning.”

“That event demonstrated that a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock can have the same lethal effect as a machine gun, and it thus strengthened the case for amending §5845(b),” he added. “But an event that highlights the need to amend a law does not itself change the law’s meaning.”

Alito then wrote that it was Congress, not a federal agency, that should take action if necessary.

“There is a simple remedy for the disparate treatment of bump stocks and machineguns. Congress can amend the law—and perhaps would have done so already if ATF had stuck with its earlier interpretation. Now that the situation is clear, Congress can act,” he continued."

So Alito is saying that the GCA can be revisited by Congress to amend it and make bump stocks illegal.

But how can they be illegal if they are factually NOT machineguns?

Another Dem admin with a Congressional majority, and those stocks and others will be perma-banned.

WTF?

This should have been a chance for SCOTUS to show some balls and make it clear that the RKBA CANNOT be restricted by alphabet agencies OR fucking Congress and their fucking tyrannical laws against the RKBA.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED you spineless wonks.

What a ridiculous bunch of bullshit this once free nation is living under. Lies upon lies.

EDIT: Remember, it was Trump who first ordered ATF that bump stocks ought to be banned in the first place!

Let the whining begin.

Yes fuck Trump, 4 more years of Biden.

 

[RedBreast21]

Joe Biden Responds to SCOTUS Decision By Urging Congress to Ban Bump Stocks​

President Joe Biden called for Congress to ban bump stocks just hours after the Supreme Court of the United States struck down the ATF’s ban on the firearm accessories.
Biden did this via a post to X, where he wrote: “Today’s Supreme Court decision strikes down an important gun safety regulation. We know thoughts and prayers are not enough. I call on Congress to ban bump stocks, pass an assault weapon ban, and take action to save lives – send me a bill and I will sign it immediately.”

Biden Urges Congress to Ban Bump Stocks in Wake of SCOTUS Decision

President Biden reacted to SCOTUS's bump stock decision by asking Congress to pass legislation to ban the firearm accessories.

www.breitbart.com

Well he didn't call for a Constitutional Convention which is require to modify or create a new amendment. A law by simple majority hasn't the power to circumvent a Right. 2A is clear, "....the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." He simple called on Congress to violate the Constitution. Status quo.

 

[RedBreast21]

If he had, the body count probably would have been lower.

They are a novelty gimmick with no practical value.

A gimmick that the government has no legitimate authority to regulate, but a gimmick none the less.

The ban on them has about the same utility as a ban on chainsaw bayonets would have.

The audio alone tells you that.

 

[kev74]

This is good news. ATF got slapped in the peepee for making up rules. And the commie wing of the court in their descent admitted that AR15s are in common use - which plays into Bruen. Thanks Sotomayor!!!

 

[Steal2B]

Biden Urges Congress to Ban Bump Stocks in Wake of SCOTUS Decision

President Biden reacted to SCOTUS's bump stock decision by asking Congress to pass legislation to ban the firearm accessories.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Acer-m14]

what did 50 cal have to say or did she excuse herself

 

[Acer-m14]

now i have to remember what lake and what boat my hand cranks are on ..

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Podmonkey]

This combined with with the recent development on pistol braces is all very nice and fine but it is high time to get to work on the NFA, the Gun Control Act and the Hughs Ammendment.
Bump stocks and braces are workarounds to laws that shouldn't exist.

 

[Cavalry]

BTW......

The shooter(s) in Las Vegas did not use Bump Stocks....

I think there is far, far more to the story than we were told, and the some of the weapons "used" are ridiculous in their configuration. I am however curious on your belief that it was not a bumpstock. I have been around FA in the some of the same lands you have been. Listening to the audio of the shooting I hear a distinct change in tempo both up and down when firing. I have not encountered such variation before with traditional FA weapons.

 

[John Stark]

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This combined with with the recent development on pistol braces is all very nice and fine but it is high time to get to work on the NFA, the Gun Control Act and the Hughs Ammendment.
Bump stocks and braces are workarounds to laws that shouldn't exist.

This! I have been saying the same thing for awhile now.

In light of the rulings we've had on the 2A (Heller, MacDonald, Cetano, Bruen), the attack ought to be on the gun laws that serve as the bedrock of the government's Infringements: The NFA, GCA, Brady Bill, and FOPA are all unconstitutional, yet no one is going after those laws from which all of the other Infringements are flowing.

The lawyers need to stop nibbling around the edges and get to the heart of the matter.

 

[Bustedknees]

3 justices believe any agency is good to make up laws, then make felons out of the common republic who don't fall in line.

 

[Grimscale]

but the RKBA ought not be a ping pong ball. No offense intended toward you.

None taken, and I completely agree.
I was merely pointing out what is, sadly, our current reality.

The RKBA is Federal law. If the assholes want to limit or get rid of it, the proper recourse would be a Constitutional Amendment, not a piddly act of Congress

Alito is telling Congress to "go ahead, Infringe" under the NFA and GCA. "Just give ATF some guidance and its all good"

And proves that Alito isn't the conservative poster boy the Right hoped he'd be. So far, only Thomas seems to actually have a good understanding of the Constitution.

I believe you are mistaken on the fact that this ruling, at least for now, un-bans bump stocks in NY.

As a practical matter, obviously NY is going to make sure it stays banned here like everything else.

If you re-read what I wrote, you'll see that I'm essentially saying the same thing. Bump-stocks will remain banned in NY.

But strictly according to this ruling and for however long it stands, litigants can now go after NY if they refuse to allow them to sell bump stocks, and refuse NYers the Right to own and enjoy them.

Litigants always had a way of going after NY for this, and many other, egregious infringements. This may add some small assistance, but Bruen, Heller, and the Constitution should be enough to get 99% of NY's crap wiped off the books.

 

[Celt]

Biden is already calling on Congress to change the law. Alito made a mistake offering is overexplained opinion on what Congress should do.

He simply needed to keep it simple with stating that an agency has no authority to change a law.


I'm sure the leftist lawmakers would have read it the same way regardless as it is logical only Congress can change a law but him over explaining his opinion gives them ammunition to use against us and the Constitution itself. It also exposes Alito's position on the Second Amendment.

I wonder if the left making a big deal about his upside down Flags influenced his opinion at all?

 

[spat]

None taken, and I completely agree.
I was merely pointing out what is, sadly, our current reality.



And proves that Alito isn't the conservative poster boy the Right hoped he'd be. So far, only Thomas seems to actually have a good understanding of the Constitution.




If you re-read what I wrote, you'll see that I'm essentially saying the same thing. Bump-stocks will remain banned in NY.



Litigants always had a way of going after NY for this, and many other, egregious infringements. This may add some small assistance, but Bruen, Heller, and the Constitution should be enough to get 99% of NY's crap wiped off the books.

NY will continue to ignore SCOTUS, Federal Law, and the constitution until the people violating it actually pay a price.

Imagine if the penalty for theft was just that you had to give the stole property back.

 

[GOPerfect]

I think there is far, far more to the story than we were told, and the some of the weapons "used" are ridiculous in their configuration. I am however curious on your belief that it was not a bumpstock. I have been around FA in the some of the same lands you have been. Listening to the audio of the shooting I hear a distinct change in tempo both up and down when firing. I have not encountered such variation before with traditional FA weapons.

I just reached out to a buddy of mine.

He did a sound video a while back, comparing bump stock fired weapons and full auto.
Full speed, half speed and slow speed. A few speeds in the middle as well.

He did sound tests and comparisons at all speeds.

If he sends it to me, I will post it here.

 

[Zerex]

First, Saudis did the Las Vegas shootings..........Wahabbi Jihadi's, hitting the great Satanists in their den...... who then escaped by private Saudi aircraft.

They were apprehended in Rihad on landing, by Saudis who promptly executed them for Trump.

The "fall guy" just supplied the ammo and weapons and did not think he would be executed...it as an FBI false Flag event just like OKC, WACO, Ruby Ridge, Sandy Hook, and the 1988 Militia trial.
Yes the FBI kills children, as collateral damage. Boston Bombers were well known by FBI after warnings by Russia..another false flag event, by our premier, false flag, writers group..

Second, animal Hochul, still supports the unconstitutional bans on full featured AW's, QRT's Bumpstocks and a total ban on CCP, if she can get it done.

The QRT was not part of this case, but QRT's rely exactly on the same principals of operation as described in the SCOTUS Bumpstock decision, if you read it to the end. I has drawings and pics.

QRT's have to be included...... and are the best solution to widespread, King George mental illness.

Nothing keeps the peace by fear better than WIDESPREAD QRT and Bumpstock OWNERSHIP..in the face of the illegal MG Ban of 1986.

 

[Cavalry]

I just reached out to a buddy of mine.

He did a sound video a while back, comparing bump stock fired weapons and full auto.
Full speed, half speed and slow speed. A few speeds in the middle as well.

He did sound tests and comparisons at all speeds.

If he sends it to me, I will post it here.

NY Slimes source, so take it as you may. The sound pattern they provide for vegas is interesting if accurate.

Nine Rounds a Second: How the Las Vegas Gunman Outfitted a Rifle to Fire Faster (Published 2017)

Analysis of video shows that the gunman used rifles with rapid-fire capabilities, and an official reports of one modified with a “bump stock.”

www.nytimes.com

There are independent sources that have come up with similar results, but this gets to the the point in 10 seconds.

 

[Saltwater60]

Joe Biden Responds to SCOTUS Decision By Urging Congress to Ban Bump Stocks​

President Joe Biden called for Congress to ban bump stocks just hours after the Supreme Court of the United States struck down the ATF’s ban on the firearm accessories.
Biden did this via a post to X, where he wrote: “Today’s Supreme Court decision strikes down an important gun safety regulation. We know thoughts and prayers are not enough. I call on Congress to ban bump stocks, pass an assault weapon ban, and take action to save lives – send me a bill and I will sign it immediately.”

Biden Urges Congress to Ban Bump Stocks in Wake of SCOTUS Decision

President Biden reacted to SCOTUS's bump stock decision by asking Congress to pass legislation to ban the firearm accessories.

www.breitbart.com

Fine I’ll trade you bunk stocks for Tommy guns and other full autos.

 

[JB93]

If I lived in a free state i wouldn’t own a bump stock. I think most gun owners are happy because Supreme Court sided with gun owners and curtailed the ATF overreach.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Now people can dig up... I mean buy new bumpstocks that totally weren't hidden away. I'm sure everyone that had one surrendered or destroyed them.

 

[spat]

Now people can dig up... I mean buy new bumpstocks that totally weren't hidden away. I'm sure everyone that had one surrendered or destroyed them.

The boating accident taketh, and the lady of the lake returned.

It's a miracle.

 

[Robin]

Hot dog!!!!! I get my belt loop and thumbs back!!!!!!
Robin

 

[JB93]

If I lived in a free state, I wouldn’t own a bump stock. Don’t have that kind of money to waste on ammo. But it’s a win against the overreaching ATF. None of my friends that live in free states own bumpstocks.

 

[FRANKIE]

Slide Fire Solutions is dancing a jig

 

[byron]

 

[John Stark]

Litigants always had a way of going after NY for this, and many other, egregious infringements. This may add some small assistance, but Bruen, Heller, and the Constitution should be enough to get 99% of NY's crap wiped off the books.

I'm sorry but that would not be factually correct if SCOTUS had ruled against the plaintiffs in this case, rather than against the Federal government.

If SCOTUS had green lighted the bump stock ban, the controlling law would be Fed. The recourse at that point legally would only be lawsuits against the Feds. At the Fed level, once they were banned, that would apply to all of the states regardless of any state stance on the matter.

 

[Tisto]

So....where does this ruling leave forced reset triggers ? By all rights, the ATF classification on them should fall as well.