Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school

[RedBreast21]

Wow, some of these comments are rough. lol

I will wait until an investigation of the timeline of events is posted before coming to any conclusion. Hind sight is always 20/20 and Monday morning quarterbacking rampant with these events.

I do have questions of course, like many here, that I will be looking for answers to such as why the local PD didn't make entry immediately into the school. The FBI has studied these events in great detail and have determined that making entry as soon as two or more officers get to the scene forces the shooter to deal with that rather than allow them unlimited time to conduct the mayhem. FBI stats show that 85% of these shooters commit suicide in the end, and the remaining 15% had intent to. This is of course is what brought the FBI to conclude that making entry immediately when arriving on scene reduces casualties.
The movie "Bowling for Columbine" highlighted law enforcement's short comings with an over 2 hour delay before entering the school. This in stark contrast to the 2018 school shooting in Parkland where although the local PD failed to make entry on arrival choosing to sit outside, creating a perimeter and allowing the shooter more time to kill. But the Coral PD, from outside the district responded appropriately when arriving on scene. Forming an entry team and making entry within a minute of their arrival. That's how it's done.

If events like this are planned, these shooters know that they are on a clock. Anything anyone can do to disrupt that clock and add stress to the shooter mind set is a good thing. This IMHO would included a loud announcement. If you all get my suppressing drift.

Of course we all know that a real discussion with all Americans is impossible with the media's death grip hold on a large number of useful idiots. But we need to have it. These events are a cultural issue and no one can dispute that since the data of the past shows the problem didn't exist 35 and more years ago. The Millennial and Gen Z groups need hard looking at and the failures of Gen X and late Boomers acknowledged.

All these generations play the blame game. It's easiest now to blame the gun.

 

[Darth]

I just heard that ugly beaver faced bitch tried to raise the age to buy ARs to 21.

When questioned how that would work, given CAs recent law getting struck down, she had the audacity to say "I know it might get shot down, but I say pass it anyway to save lives."

At a BARE MINIMUM, any government official saying that on the public record should be INSTANTLY removed from office, no questions asked (1A doesn't protect the government) for life. At a bare minimum.

That is the definition of tyranny." I don't care if the law constitution says no, I say yes."

 

[Celt]

I just heard that ugly beaver faced bitch tried to raise the age to buy ARs to 21.

When questioned how that would work, given CAs recent law getting struck down, she had the audacity to say "I know it might get shot down, but I say pass it anyway to save lives."

At a BARE MINIMUM, any government official saying that on the public record should be INSTANTLY removed from office, no questions asked (1A doesn't protect the government) for life. At a bare minimum.

That is the definition of tyranny." I don't care if the law constitution says no, I say yes."

And they should be held financially responsible for all legal fees needed to get it stricken down.

 

[RedBreast21]

I just heard that ugly beaver faced bitch tried to raise the age to buy ARs to 21.

When questioned how that would work, given CAs recent law getting struck down, she had the audacity to say "I know it might get shot down, but I say pass it anyway to save lives."

At a BARE MINIMUM, any government official saying that on the public record should be INSTANTLY removed from office, no questions asked (1A doesn't protect the government) for life. At a bare minimum.

That is the definition of tyranny." I don't care if the law constitution says no, I say yes."

I heard some congress person say the same thing. Raise the age to 21 since both cigarettes and alcohol require the person of at least 21. Great then. Raise the age for military draft and service to 21. While you're at it, raise the voting age to 21. But no.....they want the voting age lowered to 16 lol

 

[1075tech]

It's almost like telling people for nearly 50 years that life has no value if you don't want it to has had some negative consequences.

 

[SonOfSun]

It's almost like telling people for nearly 50 years that life has no value if you don't want it to has had some negative consequences.

2000 years of being "good Christians" didn't stop them from molesting little boys and covering it up.

 

[Shadow rider]

Maybe It is just me but, has anyone heard any media outlet even mention that maybe there is a connection between these teen terrorists and the video games they are playing? I have nothing against the first person shooter games but for a kid in his early formative years with other outstanding issues (family life sucks, bullied at school, etc.) to be subjected to this kind of non-stop violence, it has to have an affect on his mindset. If nothing else it could put ideas in his head and would have a desensitizing affect on his perception of the consequences of his actions.

 

[Vapor]

 

[Rap]

Maybe It is just me but, has anyone heard any media outlet even mention that maybe there is a connection between these teen terrorists and the video games they are playing? I have nothing against the first person shooter games but for a kid in his early formative years with other outstanding issues (family life sucks, bullied at school, etc.) to be subjected to this kind of non-stop violence, it has to have an affect on his mindset. If nothing else it could put ideas in his head and would have a desensitizing affect on his perception of the consequences of his actions.

Compounded by unlimited raw footage of snuff films and torture videos on the open web.

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Maybe folks should read : “The Boy Crisis”; Farrell, Gray Ph.d.s’

 

[SonOfSun]

Maybe It is just me but, has anyone heard any media outlet even mention that maybe there is a connection between these teen terrorists and the video games they are playing? I have nothing against the first person shooter games but for a kid in his early formative years with other outstanding issues (family life sucks, bullied at school, etc.) to be subjected to this kind of non-stop violence, it has to have an affect on his mindset. If nothing else it could put ideas in his head and would have a desensitizing affect on his perception of the consequences of his actions.

Ithas been studied many times. No real link. Most people understand the difference between a make believe video game and actually shooting a real person. I played pin the tail on the donkey as a kid, but I didn't take that as a green light to start spearing farm animals with pins and needles.

Every one of these shooters is totally fucked up in the head. Playing call of duty didn't cause that.

 

[Darth]

Maybe It is just me but, has anyone heard any media outlet even mention that maybe there is a connection between these teen terrorists and the video games they are playing? I have nothing against the first person shooter games but for a kid in his early formative years with other outstanding issues (family life sucks, bullied at school, etc.) to be subjected to this kind of non-stop violence, it has to have an affect on his mindset. If nothing else it could put ideas in his head and would have a desensitizing affect on his perception of the consequences of his actions.

Except it doesn't.

 

[Darth]

Compounded by unlimited raw footage of snuff films and torture videos on the open web.

Also no link.

 

[Darth]

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Yes the cops are useless and have no duty to protect, but this AGAIN takes the blame away from the only place it lies.

Places the blame does not lay:
Violent video games
The NRA
The gun manufacturer
Social media
God /lack thereof in school
The gun
The president
Immigration policies
Background checks
Etc.

It's laughable how fast people take blame away from the actual responsible party in every one of these fiascos and then they say "OMG, why did it again!? :O"

 

[byron]

No History Regents Tests This Year

In a letter released Tuesday, state Education Commissioner Betty Rosa wrote that officials “determined there is content on the new Regents Examination in United States History and Government that has the potential to compound student trauma caused by the recent violence in Buffalo.” So no history Regent exams, they were going to be June 1, but now, they’re not going to be taking them at all.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

There is but one cause to these events.

The people.

Banning guns, hardening schools, background checks, arming teachers, resource officers, etc. will not change anything. All the elements of all these events have existed for decades. It is the mindset, or lack thereof, of the people that has changed. Focus on that one problem. That's where the answers lie.

 

[Darth]

No History Regents Tests This Year

In a letter released Tuesday, state Education Commissioner Betty Rosa wrote that officials “determined there is content on the new Regents Examination in United States History and Government that has the potential to compound student trauma caused by the recent violence in Buffalo.” So no history Regent exams, they were going to be June 1, but now, they’re not going to be taking them at all.

Well, I mean, those kids are already history.

 

[Cooolone]

Here's the thing that bothers me most about a DELAY...

One thing that War has taught us, is that the sooner we can get those who are wounded, to medical care, the better the chance they have at surviving!

So waiting, aside from confronting and eliminating the threat, may very well have CONTRIBUTED to the deaths that occured!!!

Yeah, read that again...

Because we know applying pressure to a wound can help tremendously. We know that an major bleed, clamped can save a life, maybe lose a limb, but still, preserve life!

Delay... Delay has absolutely NO advantage in an active shooter situation. And I'm curious on who wrote what policy or operation manual that would prescribe a delay...

If a squad car came upon gangbangers shooting up the neighborhood, would the responders sit and wait until they were done? Maybe hoping they ran out of ammo? I'm so confused...

 

[SonOfSun]

Compounded by unlimited raw footage of snuff films and torture videos on the open web.

 

[Darth]

The "won't somebody think of the children" of my day was Postal 2.

One of the few games I know of where you can use a live cat as an AR suppressor to eviscerate an army of rabid Gary Colemans as you pee on their dismembered corpses.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Here's the thing that bothers me most about a DELAY...

One thing that War has taught us, is that the sooner we can get those who are wounded, to medical care, the better the chance they have at surviving!

So waiting, aside from confronting and eliminating the threat, may very well have CONTRIBUTED to the deaths that occured!!!

Yeah, read that again...

Because we know applying pressure to a wound can help tremendously. We know that an major bleed, clamped can save a life, maybe lose a limb, but still, preserve life!

Delay... Delay has absolutely NO advantage in an active shooter situation. And I'm curious on who wrote what policy or operation manual that would prescribe a delay...

If a squad car came upon gangbangers shooting up the neighborhood, would the responders sit and wait until they were done? Maybe hoping they ran out of ammo? I'm so confused...

It sounds like as best as I can gather with the information publicly been released.....

school resource officer let the shooter enter the building without engaging him. Then local Police showed up and cared more about setting up a perimeter and controlling the panicking parents as the killer was left to himself with a rifle shooting kids in a school for 40ish minutes waiting for the border patrol bortac (tactical team) to arrive to enter the school and engage the shooter.

Texas police defend 'complex' shooting response as more details emerge

Law enforcement officials in Texas defended their response to the Uvalde elementary school shooting amid questions about why officers waited an hour to engage the shooter who killed 19 children and two teachers.

www.yahoo.com

This is the scene outside the school with local police more concerned with keeping the parents out of the school than themselves going in to protect the children waiting for the border patrol team to show up. By all accounts as this scene is playing out parents are hearing shooting. They are aware more in kids are dying and wounded who could survive with medical care are bleeding out.




Angeli Rose Gomez, who had children in second and third grade, told the Journal that she “convinced local Uvalde police officers whom she knew to persuade the marshals to set her free. Around her, the scene was frantic. She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them.”

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Holy o'fuck,

If this is true, it just keeps getting worse.

 

[livingston]

Very Disturbing Updates From Texas School Shooting, Gunman Fired Outside School for Twelve Minutes, Federal Marshals Blocked Frantic Parents From School Before Shooting Started​

The Wall Street Journal has some updated information that is extremely disturbing.
TEXAS – […] “Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said in a briefing that the now-deceased gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, lingered outside Robb Elementary for 12 minutes firing shots before walking into the school and barricading himself in a classroom where he killed 19 children and two teachers.

Mr. Escalon said he couldn’t say why no one stopped Ramos from entering the school during that time Tuesday. Most of the shots Ramos fired came during the first several minutes after he entered the school, Mr. Escalon said. People who arrived at the school while Ramos locked himself in a classroom, or saw videos of police waiting outside, were furious.



“The police were doing nothing,” said Angeli Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary, where her children are in second and third grade. “They were just standing outside the fence. They weren’t going in there or running anywhere.”

DPS officials previously said an armed school officer confronted Ramos as he arrived at the school. Mr. Escalon said Thursday that information was incorrect and no one encountered Ramos as he arrived at the school. “There was not an officer readily available and armed,” Mr. Escalon said.

Very Disturbing Updates From Texas School Shooting, Gunman Fired Outside School for Twelve Minutes, Federal Marshals Blocked Frantic Parents From School Before Shooting Started - The Last Refuge

A very alarming set of updates from the Uvalde, Texas, school shooting has everyone starting to question what was previously said by authorities about the events. The Wall Street Journal has some updated information that is extremely disturbing. TEXAS – […] “Victor Escalon, a regional director...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[NYCGuy]

No History Regents Tests This Year

In a letter released Tuesday, state Education Commissioner Betty Rosa wrote that officials “determined there is content on the new Regents Examination in United States History and Government that has the potential to compound student trauma caused by the recent violence in Buffalo.” So no history Regent exams, they were going to be June 1, but now, they’re not going to be taking them at all.

Regents is a great way to divert students’ focus from what really matters, SAT.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Holy o'fuck,

If this is true, it just keeps getting worse.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This horrible event is about to get much worse. If these reports and accounts released so far are accurate people are going to think it's not possible the police are so incompetent that it must be a conspiracy to get a higher kill count. That's how bad this is. It's so bad to some people it will be incomprehensible so they will default to what they think is the most logical outcome that it was deliberate.

The false flag talk is about to exponentially increase.


This is a cluster fuck of incompetence on an epic scale.


I am awaiting more information to be released to understand how this went so wrong.

I hope I'm wrong. I want to believe that these accounts are throwing me off and warping my opinions and that they're false. I want to find out that these were taken out of context. I pray it's not genuine. Sadly I'm prepared to be thoroughly disappointed and angry.

 

[Jem45472]

She has no experience handling firearms. She is a gentle soul. Much different than my older sister who has kicked off her high heels, vaulted a subway turnstile in a dress, chased down and beat the crap out of a healthy young thug.
I believe there are many people like my little sister. To view them as a problem does nothing to solve the issue under discussion. Not everyone can be a warrior and those that can’t usually very much know they cannot be one.
Somehow we must turn people like my little sister to recognise the benefits of having normal, good people who are willing to step into the breech be armed every day every where.

There is absolutely nothing wrong about that, I know many of the same type. The point is there are others (notably not many in this day and age) that would want to ccw, and their hands should not be tied. It's a better option than locking the doors and hiding under a desk.

 

[Rap]

Also no link.

Thanks, doctor.

 

[Acer-m14]