Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[easyspeak]

60 magazines? holy cow!

 

[Dr. Evil]

Well this took the heat off of hunter and 10% joe.

The Ukraine, the economy, 2000 Mules, the "vaccine" debacle... I can go on.

 

[Cavalry]

60 magazines? holy cow!

Pretty amazing a kid working at Wendy's in a bad relationship with the grandparents hes living with could come up with the $3-4K+ for the rifles, armor, mags and ammo to do this.

More to ponder. He had 1657 rounds of ammo total in 60 mags, 31 were left in the bag, so 29 with him inside. 142 rounds expended inside, 173 with him not expended. I would assume since its texas he would have 30 round mags, Anyone else see math problems here?

 

[livingston]

Did not hear anyone ask if there were any kids alive and taken out of the classroom after shooter was taken out. Thought that would be important to know.

'I was hiding hard' | Fourth grader who survived Uvalde school shooting gives heartbreaking account of gunman's classroom assault

"The cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

www.kens5.com

'I was hiding hard' | Fourth grader who survived Uvalde school shooting gives heartbreaking account of gunman's classroom assault​

11-Year-Old Survivor of Uvalde Massacre Put Blood on Herself and Played Dead, Aunt Says​

The girl's mother says "she saw her friend full of blood and she got blood and put it on herself"​

Miah was injured but taken to the hospital and has been released.

"My brother said she had bullet fragments in her back," said Rivera.

11-Year-Old Survivor of Uvalde Massacre Put Blood on Herself and Played Dead, Aunt Says

The family of an 11-year-old girl who survived the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas says the 4th grader put blood on herself and played dead after the gunman entered her classroom.

www.nbcdfw.com

 

[Phazer]

Pretty amazing a kid working at Wendy's in a bad relationship with the grandparents hes living with could come up with the $3-4K+ for the rifles, armor, mags and ammo to do this.

More to ponder. He had 1657 rounds of ammo total in 60 mags, 31 were left in the bag, so 29 with him inside. 142 rounds expended inside, 173 with him not expended. I would assume since its texas he would have 30 round mags, Anyone else see math problems here?

I see a definite weight problem, here.

Onc case of .223 rounds isn't fun to lug to a course. 1.6 cases and two rifles would be near impossible to carry all at once.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Pretty amazing a kid working at Wendy's in a bad relationship with the grandparents hes living with could come up with the $3-4K+ for the rifles, armor, mags and ammo to do this.

More to ponder. He had 1657 rounds of ammo total in 60 mags, 31 were left in the bag, so 29 with him inside. 142 rounds expended inside, 173 with him not expended. I would assume since its texas he would have 30 round mags, Anyone else see math problems here?

Maybe I need to fill out an application at my local Wendy's.

 

[Jem45472]

Maybe I need to fill out an application at my local Wendy's.

I'm guessing stolen from Grandma's bank account.

 

[Jchrisls]

She added, “He had his reasons for doing what he did and please don’t judge him. I only want the innocent children who died to forgive me.”

I'm sorry, but fuck his "reasons "

 

[Dr. Evil]

I'm sorry, but fuck his "reasons "

No need to apologize.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Stuckinny]

I'm guessing stolen from Grandma's bank account.

And sadly, would not be reported so he would not get in trouble because she is a good Grandmother who is unwilling to admit that her grandson may have issues. We talked about the culture thing above, but in that same context, how many parents or grandparents are willing to admit that their kids may be bad seeds and scare them straight by involving a LEO? I know the whole stolen funds thing quoted is conjecture, but it is believable that it could happen, and would be forgiven, even though it would be a small hint at this kids moral compass.

 

[livingston]

I'm guessing stolen from Grandma's bank account.

credit card ? Perhaps this is why she was shot. Perhaps she had cash in the house ... Used his five finger discount.

 

[99cummins]

She added, “He had his reasons for doing what he did and please don’t judge him. I only want the innocent children who died to forgive me.”

Eat a bullet you twat…

 

[Cavalry]

I see a definite weight problem, here.

Once case of .223 rounds isn't fun to lug to a course. 1.6 cases and two rifles would be near impossible to carry all at once.

I beleive 5.56 is like 28 lbs per 1K. Getting some of that weight on your back its very doable for an able man. You are likely correct this is probably why he ditched one rifle in the truck and half of his ammo in route.

 

[dwa12479]

I agree with much of this but there has to be an honest accounting of why this happens in the USA and not in Canada, France, Germany. And yes, those places do have mass-shootings. The worst ever was that dude in norway, but they are exceedingly rare. In Japan they have none (?).

Many gun owners hate licensing but the fact is licensed handgun owners in new york, for example, have to go through a process to get licensed. And the facts show they are exceedingly law-abiding. Not just beforehand, but subsequently. This guy wouldn't have been able to get a handgun license in new york. But even here he could still have bought a semi-auto rifle.

Yep...of the last two mass shootings armed response on the scene were unable to stop it from becoming a vile slaughter.

Unbelievably, cops engaged this guy, he got into the school, and they waited 60 minutes (!!!!!!!!!!) before finally gaining entrance at which point they put him down.

I have a 9 year old, so I know precisely what the parents of these kids are going through. He just evaporated the life out of most of an elementary school classroom.

The guy who did this was evil subhuman trash not worthy of being turned into dog food, but our society has a lot of these people and when all they have to do to turn their wrath into 19 dead kids is work at wendys for a few months we have a problem that must be resolved.

The real question to why this happens here is not about inanimate objects, but instead what has changed in our society and culture over the last 40 years. Dig into that, and you'll get your answers. And its not AR15s and 30rd pMags.

And the reports that an SRO engaged the shooter prior to his entry into the school have been proven false.

 

[Jem45472]

I guess there were several survivors. Here's one account.
Survivor

 

[BerettaGuy]

The commander at the scene in Uvalde — the school district’s police chief — believed that 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos was barricaded inside adjoining classrooms at Robb Elementary School and that children were no longer at risk, Steven McCraw, the head of the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a contentious news conference.

“It was the wrong decision,” he said.

The decision was made due to "linear" thinking. Linear thinkers are not capable of critical problem solving and should never have been promoted to their rank.
I am sure he knows more about toxic masculinity and gender fluidness than he does about knowing there are wounded and dying children in the school and seconds count. What a fekin idiot.

This is why liberals are liberals. They think lineraly.

 

[dwa12479]

These videos of the cops holding back the crowds look bad indeed, but how much help would it have been if the parents were rushing the school? More victims? cops not knowing who the threat really was? Parents getting shot? I agree that these cops with body armor and rifles shouldn't have been standing around, but at the same time you cannot have mobs of people running through the crime scene. Plus, how many cops were already in the building? Did they really have the shooter contained in one classroom? Would more cops in there just confuse the situation? Were all these different agencies in radio communications to coordinate their movements?

It seems like the working assumption was that the suspect was barricaded and not a threat outside of that classroom, which to me requires that the victims in that classroom are written off.

So many questions that need to be answered.

One thing I keep coming across is that in an active shooter situation, it is the first few minutes that matter. Those cops that ran in the building 4 minutes after the shooter did (if true) and took fire were the ones that had the chance to stop this. Again, if this true, 4 in body armor against one not seems like good odds.

The district policy was all doors are locked. Now we are hearing an external door was propped open. Would it have mattered? Who knows. It is also the district policy that classroom doors are closed and locked. Again, was this one, and would it have made a difference. Was the shooter able to get barricaded into a classroom and more defensible position faster because of lapses in these rules?

From the reports im seeing/reading/hearing there were no cops in the building for the 1st hour. Where are you finding reports of cop(s) entering the premises 4 minutes after the shooter?

 

[dwa12479]

Cops would have had to shoot me (aka return fire) to stop me from going in if that was my kids school and they were just chilling in the parking lot protecting the "permiter" . What the actual fuck? I see a bunch of guys wearing more gear than our troops in downtown Baghdad that were afraid to breach a building for fear they might get shot? Find a new line of work fucktards .

 

[BerettaGuy]

And sadly, would not be reported so he would not get in trouble because she is a good Grandmother who is unwilling to admit that her grandson may have issues. We talked about the culture thing above, but in that same context, how many parents or grandparents are willing to admit that their kids may be bad seeds and scare them straight by involving a LEO? I know the whole stolen funds thing quoted is conjecture, but it is believable that it could happen, and would be forgiven, even though it would be a small hint at this kids moral compass.

ISSUES! It's 2022. There are no issues. There are no boundaries. We have been hounded into NOT being judgmental of a boy with a dick that wants to wear a dress and be a girl or vice versa all so a bunch of perverts can get their rocks off in a certain way. If today's society had any "moral compass" at all we would rise up and put an end to this nonsense.

 

[99cummins]

Disappointed, yes. Angry... hold off on that.

I hope it was a training issue - it's a small town with a SWAT team. And they may well have a training philosophy that if you didn't yet complete the door kicking class, you don't kick doors. You secure as far as you can, contain, and wait.

This forum regularly lampoons people who think they're going to clear their own house after watching a youtube video.

These cops protecting the parking lot may well be a product of that, right or wrong.

I don't expect the "save their own kids" thing to be true. I do expect they removed as many kids as they could without getting shot at. The rest would be left to "shelter in place". Again, if you don't have the "door kicker" merit badge, you don't kick doors. You secure, contain, and wait.

If both of those expectations were the case, then in some ways it wasn't as horrid a response as is said. They did go in, save who could reasonably be saved per the risk level of their training. If that's true, the wheels came completely off when their training insisted their magic SWAT team would show up in 5 minutes, which would never happen IRL since they're all working side jobs, or playing golf.

I only bring this up from all the terror response stuff I've gone through, and moreso, hazmat response. IF these guys trained with the same... skillset hierarchy? approach as terror and hazmat, then you operate within your skillset and defer stuff above it, to those that have the skillset. I was well trained to lead a 1st due crew to an anthrax terror event, and even run the incident. But that training included a very big line about dealing with the anthrax itself, as an example. I was absolutely trained to lead a crew into rescuing people exposed to it, etc. But anything beyond that, we were all trained to defer to hazmat techs. Same with sarin gas, same with bombs.

For the sake of those cops and fed marshals defending the parking lot, I can only hope that something similar is the case. "Save their own kids"? Maybe saved every room except for the ones where the shooter could wreck anyone who stepped into the hallway, or something. I have trouble believing that some badge walks into a room, grabs exactly his kid, and the rest agree to stay there, lol. More, how would they know which room their kid was even in.

No, I hope they got people out based on the risk level of their training, then "contained" until the merit badge crew showed up. 90 minutes later.

Don’t make excuses for them. Why do we have law enforcement if they aren’t ready to deal with the worst of the worst? Are we training leo just to enforce traffic laws and issue summons for littering? Are those officers standing outside with their dicks in their hands really well versed in vehicle and traffic law but dogshit with firearms? If that’s the case maybe the defund the police crowd has some merit. I am not law enforcement. I don’t know what I’d do in that situation. Maybe I’d curl up in a ball and piss myself but I didn’t sign up to be a cop. In this situation I would hope that I would at least have the courage to provide aid to the wounded which is something I do have training in.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Huh.

 

[Defilade]

Ithas been studied many times. No real link. Most people understand the difference between a make believe video game and actually shooting a real person. I played pin the tail on the donkey as a kid, but I didn't take that as a green light to start spearing farm animals with pins and needles.

Every one of these shooters is totally fucked up in the head. Playing call of duty didn't cause that.

Gotta agree there. Watching Porn hub and the real thing is slightly different.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Cops would have had to shoot me (aka return fire) to stop me from going in if that was my kids school and they were just chilling in the parking lot protecting the "permiter" . What the actual fuck? I see a bunch of guys wearing more gear than our troops in downtown Baghdad that were afraid to breach a building for fear they might get shot? Find a new line of work fucktards .

TBH they probably could have simply misgendered that whackjob from down the hallway and he'd have offed himself.

Of course, they'd be stuck in 20 years of sensitivity training for it, but...

 

[Stuckinny]

From the reports im seeing/reading/hearing there were no cops in the building for the 1st hour. Where are you finding reports of cop(s) entering the premises 4 minutes after the shooter?

That is why i said if true, fluid situation, but have seen a few reports of this:

Uvalde school shooting timeline: How deadly school shooting unfolded

New information has come to light about how the gunman prepared months in advance, and moment by moment, what occurred during the horrifying massacre.

abc13.com

Scroll down past his childhood to 11:40, and if you do not like this source, plenty of otjers

 

[Dr. Evil]

Huh.

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So much for their AI program.

 

[tirwin1]

Border Patrol tactical team arrived at Uvalde school shortly after noon -- but cops stopped them from going in

hotair.com

This part almost made me physically ill:

"They must have known that some kids in the room were alive, as a few were on the phone with 911 sporadically: “From 12:03 to 12:46, 911 dispatchers received numerous calls from within the classroom, including repeated calls from a child whispering that people were dead and begging: ‘Please send the police now,’ Mr. McCraw said.”

So children called 911 asking for help and the cops still waited outside doing nothing?!?!

These lousy......words fail. I can't find the right words to describe these people.

 

[Stuckinny]

That is why i said if true, fluid situation, but have seen a few reports of this:

Uvalde school shooting timeline: How deadly school shooting unfolded

New information has come to light about how the gunman prepared months in advance, and moment by moment, what occurred during the horrifying massacre.

abc13.com

Scroll down past his childhood to 11:40, and if you do not like this source, plenty of otjers

Here is the text for posterity


11:40 a.m.: Ramos walked into the west side of the school through an unlocked door, Texas Department of Public Safety regional director Victor Escalon said in a press conference Thursday.

11:43 a.m.: Robb Elementary School posts to Facebook that the campus has gone under lockdown "due to gunshots in the area."

11:44 a.m.: Local police and the district police officer make entry into the school and hear gunfire. They watch the suspect walk 20 feet into the school, make a right into another hallway and then walk 20 feet, Escalon said. He then turned left into a classroom with "doors open in the middle," Escalon said.

After the gunman went into a classroom that was connected internally to a second classroom and began shooting, "That's where the carnage began," McCraw said.

The initial responding officers did not initially enter the classroom due to the gunfire they were receiving and fell back, Escalon said. While they made calls to bring in backup, officers evacuated students and teachers.

 

[Defilade]

Another Day, Another False Flag Shooting (Uvalde, TX)

I guess Buffalo wasn't enough for [Them], now we're moving to Texas!

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