Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Exactly. Many of the same people crying out for more gun laws are the ones that think their body, their choice when it comes to tearing a baby apart in the womb.
Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
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Stuckinny
.44 mag
So looking at some new reports, the focus is on the last 50 minutes rather than the first 5. The last 50 is where we see parents in the parking lot bring restrained. By then it was mostly over. Just saw a video with an expert saying that in most mass shootings, most of the shooting happens in the first few minutes, before cops may even arrive. Latest timeline on this video is that cops entered 2 minutes after the gunman. That should have allowed them to engage before the executions started. No excuses for this. I am not going to apologize when I say that after the first few minutes of this, we should have had one dead shooter, or 4 dead/wounded officers with empty mags. Again, I say this from the comfort anf safety of my house, but I did not choose that line of work either.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Saw reports and conferences indicating that a female teacher ran out the door after the shooter's car crashed and she ran back in to call 911 without securing the door, the shooter was outside shooting at the school and the teacher did not return to secure the door thus providing the easy access taken by the murdering scumbag.
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Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Another viewpoint.
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Maybe can we focus on a way to get back to a time when we had doors propped open in the summer and no one needs to be fired or expelled for something like that? I mean, if we can't make it back to that then what's all this really for?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
from back in the day in 73 .. from what i know it was a student and a teacher ..
Stuckinny
.44 mag
If that could be accomplished before the next wave of 10 year olds die then great, wonderful, where do I sign. Want that as a goal, I am on board. But here we are, and there are immediate issues that require immediate solutions. Fix society? Let's talk rationally and truthfully. In the meantime, let's secure the youngest kids at the very least. The president has airtight security in a f'ed up world, and that involves overwhelming firepower and physical security. I doubt the secret service ever considered fixing society to protect their charges in lieu of current strategies.
You beat me to typing the exact same thing. Wishful thinking maybe, but I remember these times.
spat
.950 JDJ
If one of those parents got revenge, and I was on the jury, they would walk.
Border Patrol tactical team arrived at Uvalde school shortly after noon -- but cops stopped them from going in
The shooter entered the school at 11:33 a.m. According to this Times report, BP and ICE teams showedhotair.com
This part almost made me physically ill:
"They must have known that some kids in the room were alive, as a few were on the phone with 911 sporadically: “From 12:03 to 12:46, 911 dispatchers received numerous calls from within the classroom, including repeated calls from a child whispering that people were dead and begging: ‘Please send the police now,’ Mr. McCraw said.”
So children called 911 asking for help and the cops still waited outside doing nothing?!?!
These lousy......words fail. I can't find the right words to describe these people.
Just saying.
spat
.950 JDJ
Yes, because another quick fix is exactly what we need.
When you find yourself in the bottom of a deep hole, the first thing you do is put down the shovel.
We have fucked the place badly. There is no quick fix. If we are very very lucky, and we make an immediate 180, then we might just be able to avoid another French revolution.
How many 10 year olds do you think died in that ? It'll be a lot worse next time.
spat
.950 JDJ
When I was in high-school, more than half the classrooms had an exterior door. On a nice day most of then were wide open.
That is the right way to run a school.
spat
.950 JDJ
So, he would have had to shoot out the lock first delaying him by what 30 seconds ?
I'm sure having 59:30 instead of 60:00 before the cops went in would have saved everyone.
spat
.950 JDJ
Reports are that there were kids still on the phone with 911 while the cops were restraining the parents outside.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
This makes a lot more sense than what has been reported and the resulting hot takes. One or two cops out of a dozen, okay, I could believe that their courage failed them. But for most of them, this is their raison d'etre. I saw this kind of attitude in the Corps and I've seen it from the few cops I know. I have a hard time believing that dozens of men like that sat back and didn't do everything they could do end this.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
I read somewhere she overheard the gun shots coming from the funeral home and scooted away left door ajar
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Don’t know if anyone caught the media interview with the Grandfather? They asked him if he knew anything about the monster owning guns. The grandfather stated he knew nothing. And then added he was an ex con and he couldn’t be anywhere around guns. And he hated guns and if he knew, he would have reported him. Now I don’t have an 18 year old in my house, but I would think I would catch on if this quantity of ammunition, body armor, 60 magazines and all other firearm related stuff were being shipped to my house. Especially in such a short time frame.
And he also had to load these 60 magazines and had to discard all of the packing and boxes.
The rifles? In person transfers. Now the kid didn’t
Have a license and didn’t drive. And when he did we know how that ended. Did he take the bus? I would imagine Grandma isn’t saying much (cause he put a bullet in her face) But Grandpa is got some explaining to do. This whole thing stinks. Aside from the 21 souls he took and the people he gravely injured, all good and innocent people are affected by this.
And he also had to load these 60 magazines and had to discard all of the packing and boxes.
The rifles? In person transfers. Now the kid didn’t
Have a license and didn’t drive. And when he did we know how that ended. Did he take the bus? I would imagine Grandma isn’t saying much (cause he put a bullet in her face) But Grandpa is got some explaining to do. This whole thing stinks. Aside from the 21 souls he took and the people he gravely injured, all good and innocent people are affected by this.
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FRANKIE
.308 Win
Oh,
Count twenty two. No not the shooter, He’s also responsible for the husband of the teacher that was murdered. Who fell dead from a broken heart and will be buried with his loving wife.
Count twenty two. No not the shooter, He’s also responsible for the husband of the teacher that was murdered. Who fell dead from a broken heart and will be buried with his loving wife.
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
This was my question as well. Was the shitbag shooter just chilling out in the locked classroom full of dead kids for an hour or was he actively killing them while the police did nothing outside?
For some perspective the first police were on the scene at 11:35, shooter was killed at 12:50
These are the 911 calls while the police were outside
12.03pm – The first call comes from a little girl who says she is in room 112. “She identified herself and whispered, ‘He’s in room 112’,” McCraw says, without identifying the pupil.
12.10pm – The same girl calls back and advises there are multiple people dead.
12.13pm – The girl calls again.
12.16pm – She calls back and says there are eight to nine students alive.
12.19pm – A 911 call is made from the phone of another child, in room 111. She hangs up when another student tells her to hang up, McCraw says.
12.21pm – Authorities hear on the 911 call that three shots are fired. (It was not clear which 911 call they were listening to at that time.)
12.36pm – A 911 call is made that lasts for 21 seconds.
Unspecified time – The initial caller calls back and is told to stay on the line and be very quiet. She tells 911 “that he shot the door”.
12.43pm and 12.47pm – “She asked 911 to please send the police now,” McCraw says.
12.46pm – She says that she can hear the police next door.
12.50pm – Shots can be heard on the 911 call, McCraw says.
12.51pm – The 911 call is very loud and it sounds like officers are moving children out of the room. “At that time, the first child that called was outside before the caller cuts off,” McCraw said.
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
So this town has a 10 member SWAT team, but does not have any equipment to actually do a breech? They had to wait for a shield and a team with the balls to enter?
I just cant comprehend the levels of failure on this one.
I just cant comprehend the levels of failure on this one.
If the teacher isn't already dead, I demand an explanation as to why they broke protocol like that, and an explanation on the timing.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
There's really nothing mysterious or fishy about this. He was a teenager. Teenagers are fantastic at hiding things. The Buffalo shooter's parents had no clue what their son was up to. He kept all of his stuff in a storage space. That alone could explain everything but is there a report that all the stuff he bought was sent to his house? The rifles definitely weren't. Driver's license is moot in all of this. If you are willing to shoot up a school and shoot your own grandmother in the face what law will keep you from getting what you want without a license? Cars are everywhere.
That_FNG
.308 Win
But before we start the timeline, we must first ask an extremely important question: How did an 18 year old man, with no known employment, whom was living with his grandmother because of an addict mother, afford:
-Two expensive firearms made by Daniel Defense ($2,000 each)
-an EOTech optic ($400-$700)
-1,657 rounds of .223 ammo ($800-1000 depending on how they were purchased)
-body armor ($500-1000)
-and over 60 magazines ($10-20 each)
for a total of approximately $6300 to $8,000……
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-Two expensive firearms made by Daniel Defense ($2,000 each)
-an EOTech optic ($400-$700)
-1,657 rounds of .223 ammo ($800-1000 depending on how they were purchased)
-body armor ($500-1000)
-and over 60 magazines ($10-20 each)
for a total of approximately $6300 to $8,000……
What Really Happened in Uvalde?
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BerettaGuy
.308 Win
I don't know if he is being made the "scapegoat" but HOLY CRAP!
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McCraw revealed that 911 calls had been made by students while locked in the classroom with Ramos, as Arredondo and his men waited outside the room for more than an hour.
Eventually, Border Patrol agents who rushed to the scene after hearing the incident unfold on scanners, breached the locked classroom door, with one fatally shooting Ramos.
Meanwhile, Uvalde police are also facing growing criticism over first-hand accounts and videos showing them handcuffing and restraining frantic parents, who were urging them to storm the Robb Elementary school building amid the massacre.
'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'
Gomez has two children in second and third grade and she reportedly drove 40 miles to the school after hearing of the attack.
She was one of the desperate parents who encouraged police with increasing urgency to enter the school.
Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported.
'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'
Gomez has two children in second and third grade and she reportedly drove 40 miles to the school after hearing of the attack.
She was one of the desperate parents who encouraged police with increasing urgency to enter the school.
Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported.
'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'
Gomez said she was able to convince a Uvalde officer whom she knew to have the marshal free her and she took the opportunity to move away from the crowd, jump the school fence, and ran inside the school where she rescued her children herself.
She said that other parents also trying to get to their kids were tackled and even pepper-sprayed by police.
Angel Garza, whose daughter was killed, was handcuffed after trying to run into the school when he heard that a 'girl called Amerie' had been shot.
Man who ordered cops NOT to confront Texas gunman was a 911 dispatcher
Uvalde's school district police chief Pete Arredondo is facing backlash for refusing to let his officers engage the active shooter at Robb Elementary
McCraw revealed that 911 calls had been made by students while locked in the classroom with Ramos, as Arredondo and his men waited outside the room for more than an hour.
Eventually, Border Patrol agents who rushed to the scene after hearing the incident unfold on scanners, breached the locked classroom door, with one fatally shooting Ramos.
Meanwhile, Uvalde police are also facing growing criticism over first-hand accounts and videos showing them handcuffing and restraining frantic parents, who were urging them to storm the Robb Elementary school building amid the massacre.
'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'
Gomez has two children in second and third grade and she reportedly drove 40 miles to the school after hearing of the attack.
She was one of the desperate parents who encouraged police with increasing urgency to enter the school.
Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported.
'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'
Gomez has two children in second and third grade and she reportedly drove 40 miles to the school after hearing of the attack.
She was one of the desperate parents who encouraged police with increasing urgency to enter the school.
Eventually, federal marshals put Gomez in handcuffs and told her she was under arrest for intervening in an active investigation, the Wall Street Journal reported.
'The police were doing nothing,' Angeli Rose Gomez told the Wall Street Journal. 'They were just standing outside the fence. They weren't going in there or running anywhere.'
Gomez said she was able to convince a Uvalde officer whom she knew to have the marshal free her and she took the opportunity to move away from the crowd, jump the school fence, and ran inside the school where she rescued her children herself.
She said that other parents also trying to get to their kids were tackled and even pepper-sprayed by police.
Angel Garza, whose daughter was killed, was handcuffed after trying to run into the school when he heard that a 'girl called Amerie' had been shot.
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He's really not saying anything differently than what you could see in this thread. He's apparently very upset that he had friends at scene who are getting all kinds of criticism.
Look, it's a difficult situation. Things went wrong. Learn from it.
Was there an immediate response? Yes, we know that. They took fire, and backed off to regroup. Commanding officer then made a bad decision, and yes weather he wants to hear it or not nothing else was done while kids were laying inside dying.
It's a horrible shitty situation, but unfortunately one that will set an example for others to learn from.
spat
.950 JDJ
The vast majority of cops would have been more than willing to risk their lives in such a situation.
It's unfathomable that all the ones present were cowards.
But, it's also well documented that nearly all cops will follow orders even if they know they are morally wrong. So if ordered to stand down and wait, they would. They would hate it, but they would follow orders.
"It's not my call", or "he's in charge so he mist know something I don't"
And that's the right answer, until the official call is *that* wrong. If the guy in charge is going to issue orders that are that far removed from common sense because he "knows something" then he damn well better communicate that something with the orders, or people should say "fuck those orders we're going in".
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Shitty or not! The cops that tackled and cuffed parents, or even threatened to need to be terminated by the people.
The more I think about it, if the cops legally have no duty to protect and actually believe that, and report to work every day with that in mind, then there is absolutely no reason (other than they exist to protect the ruling class) for them to be armed and like here in NY have "special exemptions" from laws that restrict us!
THINK ABOUT IT!
I mean! Here in NY LE can have AR-15s and even M-4s. 30-round mags and don't even need a permit to carry.
WHY? Why do they have special privileges if they have no duty to protect "we" the freaking people! Because Cuomo and Hochul Schumer and the rest need them to protect them!
PS. To the FBI simps monitoring this forum, Fuck off!
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
While this point is very very valid, he was employed. He worked at Wendy's. But yes, even if he had no bills because he was living with the grandparents, with that job it must have taken some time to save up that sizable amount. Teenagers like buying things, I dont know many that even with limited bills could save up that kind of money.