Uninformed and Compliant
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Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
- Thread starter Catskillkid
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So....
Let me get this straight.
An armed sworn police officer, who's job is to be a school resource officer to protect students, saw the asshole crash his car into a ditch, and proceed to enter the school with rifles, and did not engage him????????????
W.T.F.
This asshole should have been given a dirt nap in the parking lot before ever making it to the door. This tragedy should have been stopped before it happened.
It would have been a murder of a grandmother and stopped there.
If events are as reported there I have a real problem with how this was handled.
1341
.45 acp
After they interview him under oath, they should leave him in the room with his service weapon and 1 round
The cops would have had to fight me off -- as in, shoot me -- to keep me from going inside. No way I would stand outside my kid's school listening to shots blasting. I'm not disparaging the guy who lost a child, but if the cops are just going to mass around and wait for backup, then they're just in the way.I am fucking furious.
40 minutes to an hour the asshole shooter was in the school murdering innocents while equiped law inforcement cowards grouped outside as parents pleaded for them to intercede or let parents enter?
A spokesman bragged the shooter was confined to a classroom that was once filled with live students?
Sounds like Texas justice is more words than action, where is the preparedness, training, rapid response, ...
I'm gonna go hug my grandkids from Texas who just moved back to NY yesterday to be with more family.
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Texas school shooting: Loved ones outside school begged police to go inside during shooting: 'Go in there!'
Loved ones waiting outside Robb Elementary School on Tuesday begged police officers who were standing outside to go in and stop the shooter from killing their children, witnesses say.www.foxnews.com
Blimey
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I agree with much of this but there has to be an honest accounting of why this happens in the USA and not in Canada, France, Germany. And yes, those places do have mass-shootings. The worst ever was that dude in norway, but they are exceedingly rare. In Japan they have none (?).
Many gun owners hate licensing but the fact is licensed handgun owners in new york, for example, have to go through a process to get licensed. And the facts show they are exceedingly law-abiding. Not just beforehand, but subsequently. This guy wouldn't have been able to get a handgun license in new york. But even here he could still have bought a semi-auto rifle.
Yep...of the last two mass shootings armed response on the scene were unable to stop it from becoming a vile slaughter.This is starting to really piss me off. More details are coming out
Sounds like the armed officers on scene cowered outside while the asshole was killing kids and others were bleeding out. A border patrol team eventually showed up perhaps 30 mins later and went in.
Wtf.
‘They were unprepared’: Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school to confront gunman
About 30 minutes before the bloodbath, Salvador Ramos, 18, made three social-media posts, Texas Gov. Gregg Abbott said.www.marketwatch.com
Unbelievably, cops engaged this guy, he got into the school, and they waited 60 minutes (!!!!!!!!!!) before finally gaining entrance at which point they put him down.
I have a 9 year old, so I know precisely what the parents of these kids are going through. He just evaporated the life out of most of an elementary school classroom.
The guy who did this was evil subhuman trash not worthy of being turned into dog food, but our society has a lot of these people and when all they have to do to turn their wrath into 19 dead kids is work at wendys for a few months we have a problem that must be resolved.
JaguarJaguarGolf
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Saw my little sister yesterday (she’s 60), high school teacher, public school in MA. She doesn’t want to be armed in school. Drills they do have are confusing and inadequate.
MothMan
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In Forschten’s novella Dies Irae: Day of Wrath by William R. Forstchen the parental urge was used against them to their demise.
This story was an eye opener and falls well within the realm of possibility. I suggest everyone read it before….
This story was an eye opener and falls well within the realm of possibility. I suggest everyone read it before….
spat
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JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
I went to a high school that had a rifle and pistol team. All students handled M-14 with bayonet at least once a week(more if you misbehaved). Some students handled firearms in the school everyday, we had a rifle range. We had an arms room. Some students had keys to both. We never had a accident much less a deliberate crime with any of these guns.
spat
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Would she prefer to be unarmed during an incident like this ?
If so, then she and people like her are the problem.
Totally fine. Many people are not cut out to be able to be armed. That's fine. No shame in that people have to know their limitations.
On the flip side I absolutely think school employees who are capable of and have a desire to carry should be allowed to.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
She has no experience handling firearms. She is a gentle soul. Much different than my older sister who has kicked off her high heels, vaulted a subway turnstile in a dress, chased down and beat the crap out of a healthy young thug.
I believe there are many people like my little sister. To view them as a problem does nothing to solve the issue under discussion. Not everyone can be a warrior and those that can’t usually very much know they cannot be one.
Somehow we must turn people like my little sister to recognise the benefits of having normal, good people who are willing to step into the breech be armed every day every where.
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spat
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Doesn't matter if you are a warrior spirit or not.
When the fight comes to you you must be prepared to deal with it.
It doesn't matter if you hate the water or not, you fall in the lake you swim or drown. It's the same thing.
Imagine falling in a lake and saying "I hate swimming, so I'm not going to even try it. I'm just going to complain that nobody is saving me".
Yeah, I had seen that earlier and got sick to my stomach when I read it...
For a badged officer, or any armed peace officer, to sit idly by and wait for anything, while an active shooter event is taking place, regardless of where, is reprehensible these days. Compound that x1000 if it's a school!
Only the lowliest of low, empty soul, no backbone Jellyfish Wet Noodle piece of shit would sit and wait... Active shooter training or not! Especially that the LE officer would KNOW there's no firearms or protection on school grounds and that OUTSIDE help would be the only way to mitigate the situation. FORCE ON FORCE!!! Overwhelming Force, isn't that the way!?!
It's very conceivable that those officers who held their ground and didn't act could be culpable in those deaths! Civilly, in any event. They should surrender their badges effective immediately!
And yes, even for an average citizen, there is no legal requirement to act, some countries that's not true! But once you raise your hand, take that badge, you have a duty, not a convenience! You get all the perks (lol), and there's time(s) when those chips come due!
Not sure what to make of it... I support LE 1000% just can't understand why they would wait... For what? Fuckers! We all can profess whatever we think, but nobody really knows how they'd react to this type of situation. Again, that's no excuse. Don't take the job of you are not willing to engage completely and with abandon to protect those who cannot protect themselves, here, that being CHILDREN!
/end rant...
For a badged officer, or any armed peace officer, to sit idly by and wait for anything, while an active shooter event is taking place, regardless of where, is reprehensible these days. Compound that x1000 if it's a school!
Only the lowliest of low, empty soul, no backbone Jellyfish Wet Noodle piece of shit would sit and wait... Active shooter training or not! Especially that the LE officer would KNOW there's no firearms or protection on school grounds and that OUTSIDE help would be the only way to mitigate the situation. FORCE ON FORCE!!! Overwhelming Force, isn't that the way!?!
It's very conceivable that those officers who held their ground and didn't act could be culpable in those deaths! Civilly, in any event. They should surrender their badges effective immediately!
And yes, even for an average citizen, there is no legal requirement to act, some countries that's not true! But once you raise your hand, take that badge, you have a duty, not a convenience! You get all the perks (lol), and there's time(s) when those chips come due!
Not sure what to make of it... I support LE 1000% just can't understand why they would wait... For what? Fuckers! We all can profess whatever we think, but nobody really knows how they'd react to this type of situation. Again, that's no excuse. Don't take the job of you are not willing to engage completely and with abandon to protect those who cannot protect themselves, here, that being CHILDREN!
/end rant...
Vapor
.308 Win
It's simply disgusting. I couldn't sit by and let any group of harmless, defenseless people suffer.
Sometimes there are no options and it may be necessary to enter into what seems to be a death trap. Did you glean any useful insights from the story/thought experiment?
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meketrefe
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When things are bad at home and the system has to step in it is already too late. It doesn't mean everyone w/o a father and mother has to end up like this but it normally it requires someone to step in like grandparents or some good decent family or friends who know how to raise a kid with structure and love.
This is one of the biggest issues we have. Too many broken homes with kids who are born in a disaster home.
I dont oppose abortion when there is no heartbeat or brain yet. I know is controversial but many of these kids never got a chance. We dont even know if the system tried something and if they did they maybe made it worse.
One thing is clear we better lock down and beef up security in schools big time before the next wacko strikes.
Also how do you find folks of questionable moral character or even total nut jobs? We screen people who drive trucks and trains full of gasoline or hazardous materials. What can be done about any person even the most unsuspected and specially those who are in such bad shape that perhaps should be in an institution and not walking the streets?
How do we do that w/o violating peoples rights and privacy?
Some tests I did before I entered the service were designed to rate ones mental and technical abilities and flush out nut jobs.
100%.
As a parent If you are any type of mom or dad worthy of the name, if your child is in mortal danger you will move heaven and earth to save them or die trying.
Uninformed and Compliant
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Starting to sound like there should have been a few shootings outside the school as well.
Police narrative on Texas school shooting in question as new details emerge
The official account of what happened during a shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, is under scrutiny following the reporting of new details.
There were five or six of [us] fathers, hearing the gunshots, and [police officers] were telling us to move back,” Cazares told the Washington Post. “We didn’t care about us. We wanted to storm the building. We were saying, ‘Let’s go,’ because that is how worried we were, and we wanted to get our babies out.”
The aunt of one of the victims told the New York Times that her niece’s stepfather was restrained and handcuffed by police when he attempted to help her.
the AP’s story, showing police restraining parents outside the school,
Uninformed and Compliant
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Celt
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Perfect example, who said ALL teachers have to be armed? Your statement is ridiculous. Its always been allowing those who want to be to be able to. Ive never heard anyone say they want the 70 year old lesbian with purple hair and a rainbow flag in her classroom to carry a gun against her will.
Vapor
.308 Win
My older borther is a teacher.
He's had a pistol permit since the 80s.
I'm sure he'd be happy to be an armed resource.
He can't even have a Swiss army knife at work.
He's had a pistol permit since the 80s.
I'm sure he'd be happy to be an armed resource.
He can't even have a Swiss army knife at work.
Uninformed and Compliant
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TheOnion is brutalizing those officers.
If true then this is sickening. Between this guy and the coward from Broward it reveals that armed officers are not the solution. Is it just perceived as shit duty so only the useless cops are assigned there? Better to have armed volunteers willing to risk their lives than lazy civil servants who view the job as a cakewalk to retirement.
I know cops have no legal duty to protect us poor taxpayers. But stationing cops at schools is precisely for protection.
I guarantee at the next school shooting if the 40-60 minute waiting period is repeated armed parents will storm the school on their own.
There's actually a video.
Parents were willing to rush in unarmed to go and try and save their kids and the police were restraining them, subduing them and threatening to taze them all in the parking lot instead of going after the gunman.
As a parent it's so distressing and sickening to see what they are going through. I just can't comprehend this.
spat
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Parents should have armed themselves and gone in anyway.
Police had already demonstrated that they weren't going to do anything to stop them once they were armed...