What does everyone think is the most likely scenario here in the "empire" state
SHTF. Are you ready?
- Thread starter meketrefe
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4excal
.338 Win Mag
I gotta go with the ease of knocking out the 100 year old power grid..NE out for days and days not so long ago because a simple glitch..wait til someone plans..
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Drug store is the first thing that is raided in a riot,... SHTF would not be any different ....Then they burn the place to the ground ...
How long do you think the grid would have to be down for shtf?
4excal
.338 Win Mag
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Obviously nobody has that answer, but for real I think quite a long time weeks minimum to get their act together and place where it originated and then a fix.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
That is close to the top .. Economic meltdown I think is first on the list ....A depression like our fore fathers went through could happen overnight. . IF they did away with food stamps and folks were in bread lines like the 30's we would say we were in a depression ...right now .....
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Some have been practicing in past couple months..SHTF and they get some competition by some white booooooiiiiiiiiyyyyyz!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just long enough where supermarket's run out of food and then it graduates from Stage 1 SHTF to Stage 2 SHTF.
If you haven't yet read Ted koppels book "lights out" I think you would enjoy it
Amazon
It was a real shock for me how vulnerable the grid is. Heck it's gone down by mistake and on accident. If done delibretly it can be damaged for an extended period of time.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The gold standard for redundancy in contingency is x3.
x2 and even x1 is better than x0 but you know... Murphy's law.
What this means is up to you...
3 plans
3 locations
3 routes
3 times more supplies than your best estimate.
3 hideouts
et...
x2 and even x1 is better than x0 but you know... Murphy's law.
What this means is up to you...
3 plans
3 locations
3 routes
3 times more supplies than your best estimate.
3 hideouts
et...
4excal
.338 Win Mag
I may have to gander at that, thanks.
My son was 1 Month old in that scorching August 2013 blackout for 4 days for us in Ulster..,nowhere prepared for it like we prepare now..nearly shit my pants on the heals of 9/11 many of thought it was the ole Red Foxx "it's the big one, Lizabeth"
In my opinion I feel our biggest threats are in this order.
- extended grid down (due to any one of many causes) natural, accidental, malicious. Either a cyber attack or physical attack. The end result is all the same.
- economic meltdown. Our economy sucks, they've been trying everything imaginable to fix it for 8 years and it still sux. Not many options left. It's a matter of time.
-major attack / emp / terrorism / false flag / ww3 Etc.... The world is more chaotic now than ever before. There are so many potential flashpoint
- major civil unrest. I think this is a threat but I hope it can be more easily avoided with some inconvenience.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
During the ice storm in 1992 some people here were w/o power for 3 weeks.
A really bad time to go looking for generators and gas.
A really bad time to go looking for generators and gas.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
It's not an exciting book per say, but it is chilling and will make you think. The book has been written like an investigative report including interviews with high ranking government officials. My conclusion after reading that is if there is any type of major grid down, look out. Not good.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
I do remember that, being it was my graduating year of HS..but where is Corrupted NY?
4excal
.338 Win Mag
OHH WAIT a minute..your the "drinkthekoolaid" dude that according to your post 2 days ago, we should all have been dead this past afternoon and COG is already in Cheyenne Mountain..I'm gonna pass on this book recommendation.
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It might come to us naturally, think about it for a second..
If you have a lighter for fire, a few matches and the the magnesium bar you are already applying the same rule.
But if you have all that in the same pack and you loose the pack you have nothing so you might take the lighter
and put it in your pocket and the starter bar on a necklace around your neck.
And even overtime might have 3 complete emergency pacakges hidden in 3 different locations.
In my BO plan if I estimate a 2-3 days walk I am having food for 7-8 days. (X3 again)
Minimum x2, x3 ideal.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
I am completely as you with all those statements..all of them
OHH WAIT a minute..your the "drinkthekoolaid" dude that according to your post 2 days ago, we should all have be dead this past afternoon and COG is already in Cheyenne Mountain..I'm gonna pass on this book recommendation.
Lol at least you have a sense of humor. I'm not crazy, just looking at the world differently than I used to.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Many of us here have probably been called "paranoid" for your new thought process..
Ps.. I don't have a sense of humor
I hope not I'm banking on some thyroid medicine. If not the wife is going to make my life miserable.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You aren't the only one.
I'm only called paranoid when I'm patrolling the back yard in my tin foil hat. They aren't buying the safety first line anymore.
I go out of my way to live as clean and healthy as possible. I am 46, besides Aspirin every now and then, no medicine or drugs needed. My wife the same way.
My 12 yo, has not taken any type of medicine for nearly 10 years. No aspirin, no cough meds, nothing.
My 12 yo, has not taken any type of medicine for nearly 10 years. No aspirin, no cough meds, nothing.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Just to add to this... a magnifying glass is also a durable, indefinite use, way to start a fire (in the daytime of course).
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Out of the blue, not storm-related power failure?
One to two days. At that point, unless there was communication from The Powers That Be that the situation was being worked on, I think people would start to panic.
Side note: I work in retail pharmacy. Have been for years. I was not working during the 2003 Blackout so I can't comment on that, but several years later the whole street lost power due to someone (drunk?) hitting a transformer and knocking out power. We evacuated the store of customers and waited to see how long before power was restored. We had to turn away a lot of people trying to pick up meds because we can't sell without power (need a signature); of course we had a few people claim emergencies and that they've been out for a day or two already. So the pharmacist would give them a single tablet to hold them. (this also happens around Holidays, see next paragraph) 6 hours later we were still without power, and the chain did not let us close early because N-Grid couldn't give us an ETA. If they had said 'overnight' we might have been able to 'officially' close.
A few years later we had a small fire on the roof when the A/C turned on, fire department made us evacuate and close as they investigated. With 3 (THREE!!!) fire trucks in the parking lot (which included ladder truck for the roof) people STILL tried coming into the store, with half a dozen firefighters right by the front door. During holidays it's much the same.. A lot of people wait until the last minute to refill prescriptions (and in some cases they can't fill early), only to find out they need a new 'script (pharmacy lingo), and it's a holiday weekend and their doctor's office is closed until Tuesday. Happens every holiday without fail. And they expect the pharmacist to float them pills like it's no big deal. News flash: (Most) Drugs aren't cheap.
Between 60 and 70% of Americans are on at least one prescription medication. And I think you'd be surprised at just how many of them are on anti-psychotic (or other psychiatric) medications. If they start going without for just a few days they can go into withdrawal and eventually revert to their previous non-medicated jolly selves. A few of the books about TEOTWAWKI have gone into this, but if anything I think they've understated it. Not to mention diabetics, high blood pressure, blood thinners.... Probably the best book I've seen that addresses it is the excellent One Second After - the main character's daughter is insulin-dependent but they also talk about the other bits I mentioned.
It hits home because I work there... and I see just how fragile the whole system is. We get yelled at, abused, threatened and berated on a daily basis - and that's with the power on!
To conclude.. loss of power is one of my biggest SHTF fears.. we as a country are simply not prepared to deal with it.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Is your pharmacy in Oakland,CA??
I'd have to say the 60-70% figure (or higher even)you use would be opiate related/withdrawal related thanks to BigParmUSA..old, young it doesn't matter anymore, they're all pushed onto it for as long as those scripts can keep paying for the Doctors and insurance companies corvettes.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Thanks for explaining @MikeyCNY!
The whole deal with the rationed medication is a 100% communist idea.
If one has the intelligence to prepare for trouble how the laws can prevent you for having additional medications that might save your life?
Specially when they cannot guarantee they will supply you on time and they are also denying you the right to survive on your own.
This is criminal!! ...just like the gun free zones also designed to get innocent people killed.
So guys be smart and talk to your doctor and if you travel abroad get some spare quantity for an emergency and keep rotating.
The whole deal with the rationed medication is a 100% communist idea.
If one has the intelligence to prepare for trouble how the laws can prevent you for having additional medications that might save your life?
Specially when they cannot guarantee they will supply you on time and they are also denying you the right to survive on your own.
This is criminal!! ...just like the gun free zones also designed to get innocent people killed.
So guys be smart and talk to your doctor and if you travel abroad get some spare quantity for an emergency and keep rotating.