Oh man, I don't want to say anything remotely close to what that nitwit has said......
so lets talk about riots, and tactics
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Oh man, I don't want to say anything remotely close to what that nitwit has said......
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
If they're marching down your street and you didnt know they're coming, then you failed.
If there's a hint of something coming my way, I'm rallying the neighbors and playing area denial via a show of force. With guns out.
If there's a hint of something coming my way, I'm rallying the neighbors and playing area denial via a show of force. With guns out.
My neighbors are old-school Democrats. They vote D, always.
They hate Trump. They believe Notre Dame burned from an electrical accident.
Talking to them about Neighborhood Defense would just invite a visit to my door from the Police; that I was dangerous.
I really have no options.
I'm sleeping fully dressed; ready as I can be.
If TSHTF, all I can possibly do is thin the herd as best I can before I am murdered.
They hate Trump. They believe Notre Dame burned from an electrical accident.
Talking to them about Neighborhood Defense would just invite a visit to my door from the Police; that I was dangerous.
I really have no options.
I'm sleeping fully dressed; ready as I can be.
If TSHTF, all I can possibly do is thin the herd as best I can before I am murdered.
My best hope is simply to pray, every day, that President Trump actually puts his foot down - HARD.
And that the vast majority of Americans appreciate his actions in November.
And that the vast majority of Americans appreciate his actions in November.
I guess it depends on many variables, how much warning and lead time I have, what have the local police been doing to respond etc.
Ideally I would avoid any confrontation.
If i had advance warning a violent mob was coming towards my neighborhood I would grab the family and bug out. Its just material property and I value keeping my family out of danger more than replaceable possessions.
Now,
If I am surprised by a violent mob with no warning and family is all home I would probably be preparing to defend their lives (and by defacto my house since that's where we would be bugging in)
I would immediately kit up. I have my plate carrier rifle and pistol right next to bed. I would probably position a shotgun and few boxes of 00 in a central place in kitchen for easy access.
I would not go outside. I would stay inside. I would not want to attract any extra attention. Hopefully they would pass me by.
I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen in case of a Molotov cocktail getting in.
If they decided to attack my family I would do what was needed to protect them.
If I was hearing gun fire I would have my kids go in the basement for more ballistic protection.
I would also have my wife watch the back of the house toake sure no one sneaks around while I watch the front and the bulk of the mob.
Ideally I would avoid any confrontation.
If i had advance warning a violent mob was coming towards my neighborhood I would grab the family and bug out. Its just material property and I value keeping my family out of danger more than replaceable possessions.
Now,
If I am surprised by a violent mob with no warning and family is all home I would probably be preparing to defend their lives (and by defacto my house since that's where we would be bugging in)
I would immediately kit up. I have my plate carrier rifle and pistol right next to bed. I would probably position a shotgun and few boxes of 00 in a central place in kitchen for easy access.
I would not go outside. I would stay inside. I would not want to attract any extra attention. Hopefully they would pass me by.
I have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen in case of a Molotov cocktail getting in.
If they decided to attack my family I would do what was needed to protect them.
If I was hearing gun fire I would have my kids go in the basement for more ballistic protection.
I would also have my wife watch the back of the house toake sure no one sneaks around while I watch the front and the bulk of the mob.
Jsmegs77
.308 Win
I live on a busy through street in town. I'm nowhere that has anything to offer looters as there are no businesses or upper-class houses on my street, but if the cretins decide to take a stroll through residential areas, my street would be a likely candidate. My inclination would be to send wife, younger kids and dogs off to in-laws in the woods, and remain behind with my eldest son(s) to surveil/defend, with a retreat vehicle staged in a nearby parking lot (that I can reach without being seen, the way the surrounding properties lie). We have commercial 2-way radios with a relatively advanced feature set, so we wouldn't be dependent on cell phones or worry much about eavesdroppers with Baofengs or promiscuous-mode DMR.
In the event of a huge crowd suddenly materializing in my street, I have a much larger problem as my wife is handicapped and can't move quickly. My paranoia level therefore is unusually high in situations like our current one, and I keep very close tabs on public service radio (and she on social media since I don't participate there).
In the event of a huge crowd suddenly materializing in my street, I have a much larger problem as my wife is handicapped and can't move quickly. My paranoia level therefore is unusually high in situations like our current one, and I keep very close tabs on public service radio (and she on social media since I don't participate there).
Funny things that permeate people's consciousness... I hate hypothetical scenarios, but will chime in.
Agree on not standing outside, it's unnecessary, and puts you in an undefendable position should any focus be placed upon you.
Agree on preparedness, like having the car pointed facing away from your house, close to the door, ready to go!
Having all you magazines loaded, lol. And having your firearms on you and backups within reach. My house has compound lighting on all corners, and a flip of the switch gives me at least 15 yards of sight, all around... plenty good, but would stay off unless needed.
One handle pot of water boiling slowly is great stuff, just saying! Or hell, make it a few. Other than that, I would keep an eye out, but not do anything unless required to protect myself or my family. Property can be replaced, but that doesn't mean I'm abandoning it to the skells. And no, NY does not allow you to protect property, only lives!
Rioters walking in mass down my street is enough of a threat that if they enter my property, I consider that a direct and imminent threat to my family and my well being and lives. If they arrive at my door, they won't be happy, I can assure you. Come what may, but where I live, there wouldn't be a jury that would side with the rebel rousers over a homeowner!
As for community organizing, well the Hassidic Community recently showed us all that when SHTF, you do what you gotta do... Who's going to stop you? So a dozen home owners patrolling the neighborhood armed to the teeth isn't going to rattle any cages in my opinion. I'm just not sure if I'd join in... Lol
Lastly, the mob mentality is all good and stuff, until there's blood running. First smack in the face and a good 3/4 run for the hills... Let alone if a firearm was to go off. That said, when a body drops, you'll lose a good portion of the other 1/4, leaving maybe only a few hardened and purposeful miscreants that will deserve no quarter! No questions, no discussion, no worries, kick in my door, and it's lights out. Try and throw a Molotov, or do some other crazy shyt and yeah, I might go outside, but won't be hesitating for anything. I'd rather be picked up surrounded by brass than huddled in a corner of the crisp remnants of my home! Fuck them all!
Ok, now reset and forget the hypothetical... In all reality, the chance of this happening where I live is small. Extremely small, but not impossible. The importance is to be prepared for anything, but do not in any way, place expectations upon the event or outcome before, or if it ever happens.
Just be prepared, and aware, always! Don't get caught sleeping!
Agree on not standing outside, it's unnecessary, and puts you in an undefendable position should any focus be placed upon you.
Agree on preparedness, like having the car pointed facing away from your house, close to the door, ready to go!
Having all you magazines loaded, lol. And having your firearms on you and backups within reach. My house has compound lighting on all corners, and a flip of the switch gives me at least 15 yards of sight, all around... plenty good, but would stay off unless needed.
One handle pot of water boiling slowly is great stuff, just saying! Or hell, make it a few. Other than that, I would keep an eye out, but not do anything unless required to protect myself or my family. Property can be replaced, but that doesn't mean I'm abandoning it to the skells. And no, NY does not allow you to protect property, only lives!
Rioters walking in mass down my street is enough of a threat that if they enter my property, I consider that a direct and imminent threat to my family and my well being and lives. If they arrive at my door, they won't be happy, I can assure you. Come what may, but where I live, there wouldn't be a jury that would side with the rebel rousers over a homeowner!
As for community organizing, well the Hassidic Community recently showed us all that when SHTF, you do what you gotta do... Who's going to stop you? So a dozen home owners patrolling the neighborhood armed to the teeth isn't going to rattle any cages in my opinion. I'm just not sure if I'd join in... Lol
Lastly, the mob mentality is all good and stuff, until there's blood running. First smack in the face and a good 3/4 run for the hills... Let alone if a firearm was to go off. That said, when a body drops, you'll lose a good portion of the other 1/4, leaving maybe only a few hardened and purposeful miscreants that will deserve no quarter! No questions, no discussion, no worries, kick in my door, and it's lights out. Try and throw a Molotov, or do some other crazy shyt and yeah, I might go outside, but won't be hesitating for anything. I'd rather be picked up surrounded by brass than huddled in a corner of the crisp remnants of my home! Fuck them all!
Ok, now reset and forget the hypothetical... In all reality, the chance of this happening where I live is small. Extremely small, but not impossible. The importance is to be prepared for anything, but do not in any way, place expectations upon the event or outcome before, or if it ever happens.
Just be prepared, and aware, always! Don't get caught sleeping!
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Do some research or talk to your lawyer about NYS definition of domicile in regards to self defense, it is not what most lay persons assume and may include more than many think it does.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I have a fortnite onesie (I am not kidding). It's bright yellow and a force multiplier.
ricklovin93
.40 S&W
I'm worried about getting stuck in the middle of a "protest" while in my car.
We've seen those videos and they escalate so fast. I dont have a ccw permit, yet, and I often wonder what I would do if caught in the middle of an angry mob while stuck in my car, and they start breaking windows to get me out of the car. I've conisdered buying a dedicated 870 to keep in my vehicles. But I haven't found a good way to keep a shotgun secure AND easily accessible in a SHTF scenario.
We've seen those videos and they escalate so fast. I dont have a ccw permit, yet, and I often wonder what I would do if caught in the middle of an angry mob while stuck in my car, and they start breaking windows to get me out of the car. I've conisdered buying a dedicated 870 to keep in my vehicles. But I haven't found a good way to keep a shotgun secure AND easily accessible in a SHTF scenario.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
If they break windows you hit the gas. But only do it if you're sure you can break the line because if you don't then you will be removed and beaten to death.
ricklovin93
.40 S&W
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I share this fear as well. Where I work I cannot bring a firearm with me.
If a dude is lighting a Molotov cocktail in my yard and my family is in the house , it's on.
Use this as motivation to start the pistol permit process
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
As previously posted ....I drive a turbo hatchback, she's not gonna make it through a wall of angry rioters.
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Jsmegs77
.308 Win
OR just carry anyway since chances are it's only an appearance ticket now thanks to bail reform.
I kid, I kid. Don't really do this.
As an idea get a lockbox and anchor it to your frame under the front seat. Store your pistol in there while working. You can at least have access to your pistol on the way to and from work.
That’s attempted arson. I covered that. Legal shoot.
@ricklovin93
I was thinking about taking my AR with me in my car. Not legal to have it loaded though so not sure if I will. Also don’t want it in the vehicle to be stolen when I’m not inside.
An AR pistol with folding brace would be perfect. Can carry it with you in a backpack loaded and take it into a store with you. Set the bag in your cart. Nobody will even notice.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Sitting on your porch by yourself with a firearm is an invitation for trouble. It’s totally different than doing so with others anonymously in front of businesses. You are advertising that there are firearms in the house.
tc556guy
.40 S&W
Just a thought on that regard.
Check your extinguishers and make sure they're functional.
Make sure that they are rated for flammable liquids ( some are not; that whole ABC rating thing )
Buy a bigger extinguisher than you think you need.
Buy multiple extinguishers and place them around the house..
Great advice
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Aot of good stuff in here, i prefer not to openly state my plans for opsec, but if the opposing force is too large then its time to get out of dodge. If its smaller then gorilla tactics will be used.
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
So you don't want to talk about the 800# gorilla in your plans.
Also if its been around awhile shake it up. The powder can settle at the bottom and not function properly.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Every house and location would be different. Im up hill two 8 foot retaining walls with narrow staircases the 2nd one has a deceptively strong door i build myself . I would be posted up in the woods high above the steps anyone steps foot in the first stairwell will get dropped and have no idea where it came from. Move position and repeat. House lights off yard lights on.
i have been working on putting more fencing to create a corridor to the second set of steps with the hardened door and and iron gate at the first set but im not financially there yet.
i have been working on putting more fencing to create a corridor to the second set of steps with the hardened door and and iron gate at the first set but im not financially there yet.
Toecutter
.308 Win
Thats good practice anyway.
repete
.338 Win Mag
MAN WTF??? You live in Rochester NY! The unfriendly gun capitol of western NY and your thinking of walking down the street OPEN carrying? Dude YOU would be the one that would get arrested or worse SHOT by the police! And that stupid move would be filmed and repurposed as 'local gun nut goes on rampage/stopped by local police, story @ 11:00' I live here too, and I live on a private street but ain't no way would I walk to the end to deter anyone from coming down the street!
Stay on your own property unless you are forced out for your own safety at that point move quickly and as silently as possible.