What would you consider new?
The first gun can be traced back to 1,364.... it's now 2019... that's 655 years.. again we have figured out the gun portion and how to do it right.. so what do you suggest would be innovative and new
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What would you consider new?
The first gun can be traced back to 1,364.... it's now 2019... that's 655 years.. again we have figured out the gun portion and how to do it right.. so what do you suggest would be innovative and new
Again, I am not sure what would be innovative. If I knew, I would be in that business.
Example, in 1911, Mr. Browning created a very innovated gun; turned out to be an amazing gun that lasted the test of time.
There have been some awesome upgrades over the past twenty years or so, but nothing really new.
Well that should be a bit of an insight on there isnt anything to "innovate" if there was why hasn't anyone done it? Are the gun companies just looking at all the cool new innovative things and saying hmmm no let's keep this just for us..
Not trying to be a dick, but just trying to point out if there was something to innovate it would be done
In 1970, The VP 70 was the first pistol to use polymer as a frame material, that was innovative.
Ok? Are you implying they could have done that sooner but chose not to?
No, not at all. The technology may not have been available until then. Since the 70's we still have polymer.
So then glock shouldnt release a new generation glock until they do something revolutionary?
@GOPerfect I also want to reiterate I'm not trying to be a dick here. I just am really trying to find out what will be "innovative" and I'm not even saying from you, I see people say that all the time over and over again, just so happens it was you on this thread so more or less conversation. If that makes sense
If I thought you were being a dick, I would mot have responded.
So, this was a really cool idea, somewhat new, lots of thought went into this idea. It didn't work as well as I had hoped, but at least they tried.
So, this was a really cool idea, somewhat new, lots of thought went into this idea. It didn't work as well as I had hoped, but at least they tried.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Until a laser or magnetic fired projectile gun is created, there will be no innovation.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I think I get you GOP. Kind of like aviation, it's all about thrust and lift, has been from the start and continues today, the 'innovations' have been to that concept, not an 'innovative' concept for flight itself.
Robin
Robin
This is the reason I started making my own. Why buy some corporate gun just to change it into the gun you want, when you can make it yourself? I may be making the same model gun that is available at the counter but, it will have everything I want on it by the time I put the serial number on it.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I get what goperfect is saying. Take Glock, it’s the same old Glock they just made them in different sizes and configurations. The Glocks are like shoes. I take a size 10-10.5 and you might take a 12. It’s the same exact shoe just tailored to you and me. While it works seemingly well for them I agree mating a slide you already make with a frame you already make is not innovative.
Wait when did glock claim that they were innovative?
Glock hasn't said that, the only people that claim is non glock people who somehow demand glock do something but not from any other company.
"How dare glock not create a new gun every 6 months and need to be innovative every time"
But never see anyone demand that HK or Smith or anyone do anything but fuck glock for not innovating am I right
Talked to my dad last night and he is planning on getting the Sig 365 SAS. He likes the sighting system. Being stuck to a walker or in a wheelchair the no snag sight system and small package gives him a good carry option.
On their website...
Proudly Celebrating 30 Years in the United States
30 years of Perfection, a simple evolution of time introduced to the U.S. market in the 1980s, GLOCK is proud to continue its journey and celebrate 30 years of quality, commitment, design and innovation in the U.S.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
And when it comes out, nobody will buy it because its an unproven technology.
It seems like the best innovation over the past 100 years made guns simpler, eliminating unnecessary stuff and making the parts remaining work more efficiently.
Ok but they didnt release say the gen 5 g19 and say lol at this most innovative thing ever...
Nope they said hey everyone we have a new generation here are the differences enjoy..
Followed by glock haters.... oy here we go again glock never innovates no one ever innovates I'll stick with my glock clone
@GOPerfect have you preordered the Largo Arms "Alien"?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not to sound like a Glock fanboy but since the Glock 17 Gen 1, there has been no innovation. Putting a rail here or a night sight here or making this grip a little shorter or thinner or fatter and calling it a Springfield or Kahr isn’t innovation. It’s just addicting cosmetic differences to fit different people.
Going from revolver to 1911 is innovation. Going from 1911 to DA/SA or DA only is innovation. Going from hammer to striker is innovation. Everything else is just cosmetic.
You guys who think that innovation is some gun with a rail and a trigger that’s painted red along with a sight system that’s recessed and painted orange along with grip panels that are wood grained instead of checkered make me laugh.
Going from revolver to 1911 is innovation. Going from 1911 to DA/SA or DA only is innovation. Going from hammer to striker is innovation. Everything else is just cosmetic.
You guys who think that innovation is some gun with a rail and a trigger that’s painted red along with a sight system that’s recessed and painted orange along with grip panels that are wood grained instead of checkered make me laugh.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
All I was getting at was I understand where Goperfect was coming from and minor modifications to guns for me don’t make them worth buying a new gun for. Some guys yes and these manufacturers know this. It’s a sales pitch. I could say the same thing about smith and Wesson and their M&P line up. I just think Glock does it worse or more often so I used them as the example. .
Only thing I blame Glock for is there are certain people who love Glock and need every Glock there is so it’s a sale pitch in that regard.
I could actually careless what Glock does or doesn’t do. They are great guns but I don’t like their trigger so I stay away from them. I also didn’t like the S&W M&P trigger but have heard the 2.0 is much better. I’d be contemplating the new subcompact MP or the sig 365 but I’m letting others put them through their paces first. The verdict is still out with the sig. I think I might like the sas sights though.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Agreed. Innovation is something to me where I look at a gun and say wow that’s different enough for me to consider replacing what I have. The sig 365 is on that boarder for me. Capacity vs size and sights on the SAS might be enough for me.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Those SAS sights have been out for years. They never took off. Reviewers never gave them A+ ratings. But now that Sig has them....
Anti snag. LOL. Who here has their sights snag coming out of a holster? LOL.
Anti snag. LOL. Who here has their sights snag coming out of a holster? LOL.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That’s not innovation either in my opinion . That’s just a size that fits you. Sometimes even the 365 is too big for some in certain situations.
This right here, with a real holster this whole "anti snag" shit is irrelevant
That's still not innovation
Innovation, for its part, can refer to something new or to a change made to an existing product, idea, or field. One might say that the first telephone was an invention, the first cellular telephone either an invention or an innovation, and the first smartphone an innovation.
Definition of INNOVATION
Yes, a rail, sights, grips, optics to an existing platform is innovation! It's not a new invention.
Definition of INNOVATION
Yes, a rail, sights, grips, optics to an existing platform is innovation! It's not a new invention.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When they first came out, yes. But adding rails to a gun now is not innovation. It’s just a preference.
Example.
X gun company had no rails since rails weren’t invented.
Y gun company invented a rail and featured it on their new line of guns.
That’s innovation. But because a third gun company puts rails on their gun, that isn’t innovation. Chopping a barrel short and chopping a grip to fit 10 in the magazine isn’t innovation now. Glock and Taurus did that years ago. Sig just copied and did it differently. The SAS sight on a Sig isn’t innovation. The SAS sight has been out for years.
That’s like me making an AR with an integrated ACOG in the housing of the upper receiver and saying that my gun is innovative.