Cleck
.308 Win
Well, in looking at their offerings, it looks like I want to avoid the SPR mount, but the regular and extended mounts are both 4.75in in length, and weigh in at a nice 3.27oz.
Suggestion for 1 piece/cantilever scope mount for AR?
- Thread starter Cleck
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I have a PEPR, it came as part of a package with my scope and red dot.
As noted prior it is fugly, heavy, unwieldy, but solid.
If I were using that rifle more often than I do currently, I would replace the mount with something else. Fully functional but I wouldn't go out and buy one by itself today.
As noted prior it is fugly, heavy, unwieldy, but solid.
If I were using that rifle more often than I do currently, I would replace the mount with something else. Fully functional but I wouldn't go out and buy one by itself today.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Brands mean little. There is a number of OEMs that make them for many brands. There are some brand names with good ones mostly overpriced.
Stay away from the ones with horizontal screws and thin wishbone like base and cantilever like aero precission, la rue and some of the other light and weak designs.
Instead tipical 4 or 6 vertical screws rings binded on a mount or not.
Find out the measures first.
Is the 3-9 scope large and/or heavy?
Cleck
.308 Win
Yeah, a bit. It's a basic Bushnell offering.
Sat (laid) down and dragged over the sandbag a bit since that's what I would use to support myself, sighted up. Seems the two scopes sit basically the same. Laid down, closed my eyes, drew down on the wall ahead, sighed and looked ahead into the scope. Nearly perfect sight picture. Pulled it back ever so slightly, and it was g2g.
Cleck
.308 Win
Bench is a mess. I actually set it on top of the other rings even though they're not the same size. Made it easier to hold. Looks goofy af, but it "fits" when I hold it, whether I'm prone or standing
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
In the past I found the same OEM in ebay under different names. In one ocsssion I found the same Vortex used and after buying one and tested I got 6 more for other projects with the same type of scope.
I don tbow these days but also got some good OEM from midway stamped for their stoner brand.
I also have badger (more expensive) but military use like the steel rings.
There was one model from midwest who sctually machine things and found it to be very well priced and robust.
Let me see if they still mske it.
Again, forget tacticool and brands and look for a robust design and base.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I suspect it is too high.
I am not sure your physical complexity or if you have any conditions but otherwise it might be wise to review your shooting position first.
I see this issue all the time so please do not take offense.
Also I dont have all the data.
Cleck
.308 Win
None taken, I also know it's the position that fits best when I am wearing the Razor cans. I don't crunch my head down on the gun. The side of my jawbone is on the top/side of the stock, I have it extended to the point that is comfortable for my arms and I've never changed it from there.
I'd have someone take a picture, but I don't know how much that will help
I'd have someone take a picture, but I don't know how much that will help
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
If you put an old mbuis site that should be pretty close to the optical center of any optics system. An instructor would help you adjust your head after adjusting lop that is also msny times shorter than what it should be due to the multiple adjustments of the ar m4 style modern stocks.
It is a common thing. 8 out of 10 folks doing it w/o instruction hsve some sort of problem.with shhoting position and setup and / or sights/optics setup.
It happens.wirh clays shotguns too unless someone is stsrting to compete.and gets some advice from instructors or pro folks.
Pictures will not help but a quick one on one with someone who is a good instructor even if it is a few minutes is possibly one of the best things one can do.
This migjt seem unnecessary but an AR csn be a very precise rifle and worthy of some time to properly setup IMO.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
This is very interesting to me because I am in the market for a scope and of course something to mount it with. Being left handed I grew up adjusting to a right hand world in virtually everything. Even today I don't give things much thought beyond adapting to the situation. Ideally, for the average size guy, what kind of eye relief do you seek when deciding to mount a scope in an AR? do these cantilevered rings afford more leeway in adjusting for eye relief? Seems the length of the tube would have to be considered too in allowing for and aft adjustment of the scope itself. Maybe i'm over complicating it but would like to achieve the ideal setup that fit me personally and using a scope is relatively new to me. I am thinking of a hunting rifle that would be used mostly for recreation at the target range.
Robin
Robin
Cleck
.308 Win
That's kind of how this AR is setup, Robin. It's a fun shooting gun that I could hunt with if I wanted to
My thoughts on the cantilever setup was the benefit of the base mounts being close together but spacing out the rings, so this would be beneficial if you wanted to mount your scope without needing to space out your bottom mounts like mine are (see above). You can also move your scope forward enough to get proper eye relief without running out of rail room. That's my best guess
Someone is giving me a PEPR mount this week, they've got it sitting around, and I can use it to mock up/test my eye relief and see how it all fits for me. Will update when I do
My thoughts on the cantilever setup was the benefit of the base mounts being close together but spacing out the rings, so this would be beneficial if you wanted to mount your scope without needing to space out your bottom mounts like mine are (see above). You can also move your scope forward enough to get proper eye relief without running out of rail room. That's my best guess
Someone is giving me a PEPR mount this week, they've got it sitting around, and I can use it to mock up/test my eye relief and see how it all fits for me. Will update when I do
For an economical mount I have heard good things about the Aero Precision one. For a QD mount Invery much like the Bobro mounts. They are expensive but have the best return to zero capability of any QD mount in the industry. Scope mounts are one of those things that you are better off spending the extra money on for a good one, I would avoid the the company branded ones like Burris, Voretex and Nikon.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Robin,
Eye relief is what it is dictated by the optics. For a caliber like 5.56 you do not need a huge eye relief due to recoil being a threat.
It is more a matter of how good is the sight picture, how easy is to adquire and retain a good clear picture no matter what light or zoom.
The actual position is a different thing that should be done after properly fitting and setting thr rifle for a good shooting position.
By extending LOP you will actually lower the optical center and advance your head in a more accurate and natural position. Maybe does not feel that way at first but many folks start with modern stock setups that are simply too short for their height and arms.
I am on my cell now. Will explain more later.
Cleck
.308 Win
I just sighted up my 308 and it's much lower than my AR, yet I can sight it just fine w/ my Razor's on. Yet when I sight my AR, the higher sight feels fine, I have no idea why. I also don't like how it looks that high, so possible that I can sight it lower and be ok.
We'll find out tomorrow when I get the mount to use as a mock for future fitting.
We'll find out tomorrow when I get the mount to use as a mock for future fitting.
Cleck
.308 Win
Got the mount in the mail today to test the setup, and it looks good. Lower is definitely better, but this is a hair too low. Without cans, I can crunch down on it, but I can't with them on. I think it feels about a half inch shy and a small riser would probably fix this. Currently, this is 1.5"
The position forward/back feels good, I think a cantilever mount is gonna be the way to go there, based on where a 2 piece mount would sit. I don't want it on the handguard rail, so I feel this setup is the best for me.
I'm open to suggestions about how I can set it up better though.
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I would think something like this would work perfectly for what you need. looks like they offer them in 1/2", 3/4" and 7/8"
nice slim looking without any bulky locking nuts
Amazon.com: Leapers MT-RSX5L Inc, UTG Super Slim Picatinny Riser Mount, 1/2" Height, 13 Slots, Black: Sports & Outdoors
Amazon.com: Leapers MT-RSX5L Inc, UTG Super Slim Picatinny Riser Mount, 1/2" Height, 13 Slots, Black: Sports & Outdoors
www.amazon.com
nice slim looking without any bulky locking nuts
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Cleck, I have not received my scope yet but from my guestimation I think I am going to be low as well. RoyP just posted a part that I am 99% sure will solve my situation!!! Now I have to get my scope so I can be more precise on the thickness.
Thanks Roy!!!!
Robin
Thanks Roy!!!!
Robin
Cleck
.308 Win
Roy, the last risers I had were UTG too, they did the same thing, I liked the simple look.
So I mocked this up and then sent the scope back for the 5.56 that I really wanted all along. At least when the scope comes back available, I'll be ready to mount it
So I mocked this up and then sent the scope back for the 5.56 that I really wanted all along. At least when the scope comes back available, I'll be ready to mount it
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
If your only issue with that set-up is interference with your ear muffs, why not try different hearing protection?
I've had too-high scope mounts before and its frustrating to have your head bobbing and weaving trying to get and hold a sight picture. A firm cheek weld is quick and repeatable.
Cleck
.308 Win
Because overall, it's not a comfortable position. It's still a bit too low w/out the muffs on, I have to push down to get it without them on. When I first sight the gun, my cheek weld is comfortable and slightly higher than this. A half-inch riser should solve this
Cleck
.308 Win
Scope will be here Monday. I'm buying that low profile riser, but in 2 pieces. The 1 piece is 5.5" long, and I don't have that length on my upper without going onto the barrel/handguard. They have the same riser, but in 1.57" lengths instead, so that'll work.
Anyone get/use those scope levels that clamp on the tube? Seems like a one-time use thing, am I overthinking this?
Anyone get/use those scope levels that clamp on the tube? Seems like a one-time use thing, am I overthinking this?
I've seen thousands of scoped ARs and yours is by far the highest. Unless you're built differently from everyone else I wonder what's going on? I don't have high supermodel cheekbones but I naturally settle onto a flat AR buffer tube plus stock at "normal" scope heights without a twitch or bobble.
I'd go show a shooting instructor frankly.
I'd go show a shooting instructor frankly.
Vapor
.308 Win
Level your reticle.
Use a torque wrench.
Use regular height.
Use a torque wrench.
Use regular height.
thegatman
.308 Win
See for sale this forum. Great deal.