Technology and AI, should we be worried?

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  1. Drinkthekoolaid

    Drinkthekoolaid .308 Win U.S. Military

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    A lot of smart people are sounding the alarm over the potential hazards of artificial intelligence, big technology, meta data and an actual "skynet" (think the terminator series)

    And we all now have confirmation that services like Facebook, google, YouTube are not friends of freedom, their future implications and potential for evil are frightening.

    Why Elon Musk Has Fears Of Skynet Coming True

    Assange Keeps Warning Of A.I. Censorship, And It's Time We Started Listening

    Creepy Video Gives Confirmation Of What Has Long Been Warned: Google AI Is Always Listening!

    CNET asks: Does it bother you that Alexa's always listening?


    The entire concept of "the internet of things" is alarming and ripe for abuse.

    The more I've been learning the less I trust any form of modern technology (and I'm not old at all). I'll also do my best to never have a car with satellite or wifi.

    I think I'm the next 20 years technology is going to be used in some very creative and destructive ways either initiated by humans or artificial intelligence.

    What are your guys thoughts on it
     
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  2. Magnus

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    Obama gave the green light for the NSA to listen to our phones, it’s only a matter of time before they listen through an AI. I have Alexa and she says no one else is listening but I don’t trust that bitch. She also turns her light on if I mention something.
     
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  3. The AI censorship will be an interesting topic.
    Over the past year or so, several AI chat bots were unleashed onto Twitter to learn what conversations are like.
    All of them rapidly became genocidal racists in mere hours.
    This wasn't the result of a bunch of whack jobs tolling the hell out of the chatbots.
    This was the result of *everyone* interacting with them.

    There are lots of ways to re-play those input conversations - since every conversation was logged, it's pretty trivial to isolate and look for various accounts that interacted, and train an AI, specifically on those accounts, as examples of one category or another.

    That would produce a decent corpus that would figure out what is, or is not, "good speech" to be allowed, and "bad speech" to be censored, and eventually, be used for assigning scores to various user accounts and patrolling for soft-policy violations.

    And since the initial selection of what conversations go into which category will be based on the bias of the people making the choice... the resulting corpus will also carry that bias, whatever it happens to be.
     
  4. FrankenCub

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    Damn, glad I don't have a mic on my PC!
     
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  5. libertysnake

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    Yeah I unplugged mine.

    With a lot of this tech, in just a general sense, you have to look at the LOE (level of effort) to get it going, vs just ordering something manually on your phone or computer. It's not really a huge time savings.

    In fact, sometimes the LOE is significantly more than other things. I used to type up notes into a variety of places. Now? I switched to a little notebook the size of field notes, that I keep in back pocket, and just jot shit down into it as stuff comes up. If it's important, I'll take a picture with my phone and scan it that way into Evernote for organization. Chances are, anything beyond 5-10 pages backwards I'm not going to use anyway. The oldest books I just cut the spine off of and shred the pages when I'm done, so I don't have to worry about what I keep in them. Easy peasy.
     
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  6. Carlos Hathcock

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    I cant believe people blindly drop one of these Alexis thingys in their home or office. Why not just invite a stranger with a pen and pad to sit in your living room to listen to your every word?

    We have enough to worry about with each other and now we want to introduce A.I. into the picture? The Terminator story line wouldn't be too far off.
     
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  7. libertysnake

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    Honestly, if I'm going to start paying a stranger hourly for something, it's not so she can draw me like something out of Titanic...
     
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  8. gun_slinger_boy

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    It's a double edge sword. On the one hand we have something that will learn through our behavior and possibly use it for harm. On the other hand we could one day have phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range.
     
  9. masterswimmer

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    You have a smart phone?
    Maybe a smart TV?
    GPS?
    EZ-Pass?
    On-Star?
    Fit-Bit?
    Cordless phone?

    In order to get off the 'surveillance grid' you'd need to rid yourself of all those devices and probably more that I'm missing.
     
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  10. speedkills27

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    many people much smarter than me are worried about AI, thats a cause for concern. I fear our curiosity will get the better of us and eventually we will turn on something that doesnt want to be, or cant be turned off. Doubtful a superior machine will be subservient to humans, I see more like a Terminator scenario as mentioned but hey what do i know
     
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  11. Celt

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    I am not in favor of it. As mentioned above, the big tech companies that already have a monopoly on the internet have a liberal, socialist, globalist bias, and surely the programming that they create for any so-called artificial intelligence will have the same bias. I have already demonstrated the lengths in which they will go for censorship, and that is nothing compared to where it will go if they were given the authority.
     
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  12. ManrisFrack

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    It's coming whether we want it or not. It will definitely be developed as a weapon - it's probably well underway.
     
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  13. Paxal

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    Be afraid, be very afraid.
     
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  14. tirwin1

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    There are two camps in this debate. Guys like Ray Kurzweil are optimistic about the future and there are plenty of people who fear the worst. So far we haven't blown ourselves up so I would like to believe in the more optimistic scenario. There is no doubt the fears are legitimate. The worst part is the asymmetrical risk. One clever nutjob could make an AI system that controls thousands of drones to cause all kinds of havoc. It wouldn't be that expensive. I am somewhat surprised drones haven't already been weaponized by either gangs or terrorists (maybe they have been and I am unaware of this).

    One thing we currently have now is the surveillance state. As we discovered with the Austin package bomber a few weeks ago, as soon as the guy went "on the grid" and used Fed Ex he was quickly tracked down. Stay on the right side of the law and you are probably OK - but what happens if the govt decides you are an enemy of the people for what you believe or post? Couple this current ability with an out of control AI system and we'll have real problems.

    So yes, it is something to worry about.
     
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  15. Robin

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    Since man learned that he could make fire new technology has both blessed and cursed mankind. Its not the technology, just some of our fellow man's.
    Robin
     
  16. Phauxtoe

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    DUDE, you are crazy to have that!
    you have paid to have Big Brother in your house listening to every word!
     
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  17. stokes

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    My wife has one of these in the kitchen.I always unplug it.I walk in the room or say something to my dogs and it starts talking.Creeps me the fuck out.I'm waiting for her to leave it close to the sink,its gonna accidentally fall in a sink full of water.
     
  18. Willjr75

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    Yep. Pretty much anything with an internet connection spies on you. Even your key strokes can be recorded.
     
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  19. Drinkthekoolaid

    Drinkthekoolaid .308 Win U.S. Military

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    If your interested in this stuff, start reading on the concept of "the internet of things" it doesn't take long to realize it might not be a great idea.


    I feel like will Smith in the movie I Robot
     
  20. stokes

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    I have none of these.Well,I have an ezpass tag,it hasnt been in my vehicle in over 5 yrs.Dont know if its even active anymore.
     
  21. masterswimmer

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    No cell phone?
    No computer?
    Not even a cordless landline phone?

    I'm impressed!
     
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  22. stokes

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    I have a computer,obviously,but none of the stuff on that list.Havent had a landline in many years.I will not ever use a "smart phone".I have no need to carry a computer in my pocket.The cell I have,a flip phone, I charge maybe 2x a month I use it so rarely.
     
  23. Magnus

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    It was a gift for my wife. It actually helped me locate unauthorized activity on my account. And sometimes she laughs at the jokes my wife doesn’t get, Alexa really gets me you know?
     
  24. stokes

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    of course she laughs at your bad jokes,just to keep you connected.
     
  25. Magnus

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    She’s not that type of AI, how dare you!
     
  26. Depick

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    Eventually we will be our own undoing, we are increasingly reliant on computers and automation. We continually relinquish decisions to machinery taking the human aspect completely out of the equation. It’s a scary thought to think where will be in five to ten years if this trend continues.
     
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  28. Drinkthekoolaid

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