Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

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this a damn Firearm .. .. not a pistol , not a rifle , not even a shotgun nor a SBS ..

words have meanings if you stop making crap up .. LOL .

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So I know ,Nobody can predict the future but does anybody have an idea when this will all play out with the supreme Court and NY, Do with think we are days aways. weeks, months ,Years?
 
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Truebeliever said:
They are still firearms under the law. Its possession falls under one of the exemptions which is having a permit .
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So how does that work with the new semi-auto rifle permit?
It doesn't ban possession, as far as I know (and correct me if I am wrong) it doesn't change the definition of a semi-auto rifle to New York's version of "firearm".
It is a straight "permission to acquire" permit which should have automatically been overruled by the Constitution.

Then again, the whole "pistols are banned firearms unless we let you own one via permits" scheme should have also been thrown out long ago.
 
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So how does that work with the new semi-auto rifle permit?
It doesn't ban possession, as far as I know (and correct me if I am wrong) it doesn't change the definition of a semi-auto rifle to New York's version of "firearm".
It is a straight "permission to acquire" permit which should have automatically been overruled by the Constitution.

Then again, the whole "pistols are banned firearms unless we let you own one via permits" scheme should have also been thrown out long ago.
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My understanding is that is still under the rifle definition as far as most of the law is concerned. If you were to transport the rifle into NYC, you wouldn’t be charged with the felony possession as you would as if you had a handgun but with some type of possession of a rifle local law.
 
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misunderestimated said:
So I know ,Nobody can predict the future but does anybody have an idea when this will all play out with the supreme Court and NY, Do with think we are days aways. weeks, months ,Years?
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I think we will know this week how SCOTUS responds. At the circuit level we are looking at months before they make final decisions on PI. The District level cases will probably be decided by end of the year or next year. Of course this is just my guess
 
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So I know ,Nobody can predict the future but does anybody have an idea when this will all play out with the supreme Court and NY, Do with think we are days aways. weeks, months ,Years?
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I may be wrong but according to everything I've read about the shadow docket, we could hear something any day now. Remember, if they do anything at all, it'll more than likely vacate the stay. If Sotomayor handles the application to vacate the stay herself and denies it, we can then resubmit it to Justice Thomas who will supply the necessary beatdown to NYS. One can only imagine that would speed up the 2nd Circuit ruling on the merits of the case...
 
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maverick52 said:
I think we will know this week how SCOTUS responds. At the circuit level we are looking at months before they make final decisions on PI. The District level cases will probably be decided by end of the year or next year. Of course this is just my guess
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Thats the beauty of having the stay vacated. If that happens, let the 2nd circuit drag their feet for years if they want....that would be years of having our carry rights back while they sit and do nothing. Altho as I recently stated, I believe if they stay is vacated by SCOTUS, the 2nd circuit will be motivated to re-squash our rights.....
 
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Thats the beauty of having the stay vacated. If that happens, let the 2nd circuit drag their feet for years if they want....that would be years of having our carry rights back while they sit and do nothing. Altho as I recently stated, I believe if they stay is vacated by SCOTUS, the 2nd circuit will be motivated to re-squash our rights.....
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I’m not sure I agree. The Second already granted a motion for an expedited hearing. Briefs are due today. I don’t think they will drag this for years. SCOTUS can vacate the stay or they can put pressure on the Second to move this though fast. The case itself will also move fast. Both Suddaby and Sinatra have shown they have an interest in expediting this as well.

I understand why we can be so cynical and I am cynical as well. But this time I am hopeful. Only time will tell
 
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I’m not sure I agree. The Second already granted a motion for an expedited hearing. Briefs are due today. I don’t think they will drag this for years. SCOTUS can vacate the stay or they can put pressure on the Second to move this though fast. The case itself will also move fast. Both Suddaby and Sinatra have shown they have an interest in expediting this as well.

I understand why we can be so cynical and I am cynical as well. But this time I am hopeful. Only time will tell
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Yes, I'm also trying to remain hopeful...especially of having something good come from SCOTUS very soon. Don't be discouraged if Sotomayor initially denies the Stay...Justice Thomas will take care of us on the resubmitted application to vacate the stay...
 
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misunderestimated said:
So I know ,Nobody can predict the future but does anybody have an idea when this will all play out with the supreme Court and NY, Do with think we are days aways. weeks, months ,Years?
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Keep in mind it’s only on the stay of the implementation of the law and not an actual ruling on the lawsuit. The most the Supreme Court will do is put the stay back in place. They could write a response with an indication on how they would rule if it came before them, but it’s Sotomayor so I don’t expect much favors from her.
Just a guess but I expect it sometime this week but that’s just a gut feeling.
 
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NO... This is a legal brief submitted by one of the defendants. It is NOT a decision from a court. Of course it is going to go after Suddaby's decision.

THIS IS NOT A LOSS IN ANY WAY. Just a legal brief.
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Really? I just scanned it quickly. Looked pretty bad and on court letterhead. Why wouldn’t it be on law firm/ state letterhead? Wired that they can release their response or statement on court of appeals letterhead. Hope you’re right.
 
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If 'daFeuhrer insists on putting up names and addresses of CCW holders, just think about this for a moment. The criminals now know what places to AVOID since there will likely be someone home and ARMED.
 
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