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spat said:
Comes down to a debate about what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means.

I'm with you on that, I think if your parents can be prosecuted for a crime, that means they are subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government.

But I can see the argument that someone who is here illegally or even a fugitive from justice doesn't qualify.
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So, if a Japanese guy came here with his kids on vacation, and he committed a crime, was charged and convicted, his child can be a citizen?
 
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GOPerfect said:
So, if a Japanese guy came here with his kids on vacation, and he committed a crime, was charged and convicted, his child can be a citizen?
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If the kid was born on US soil, then yes. It's not so much about whether the parent can be charged, but the kid.

While newborns obviously can't be charged at all, the concept is that *if* they committed a crime that *was* normally chargeable, as long as they don't have some "get out of jail free" mechanism then they are citizens.

It's about the kid's status at the time of birth not the parents. Do they have to follow US law, or not.

That's the way that's always worked.

The only exceptions are diplomats (diplomatic immunity means they aren't subject to jurisdiction of US laws, nor would their child ) and invading armies (similarly can't be prosecuted in a US court for acts even if committed on US soil).

The idea that a kid would not be granted citizenship because of the crimes of their parents just gets dangerously close to punishing people for the crimes of their parents, and I'd like to think we all recognize why that's not a good idea.
 
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I'm not sure how many here, or in this benighted country in general, have even the slightest inkling of how loose our border, visa, work permit, immigration etc policies are, even before the Zhou Bia-Den/Obola cabal tore up the rule book.

Only in the "Schengen Zone" in Europe have I seen more free movement between countries than in and out of the fUSA.

Try and "border jump" or "over-stay" your visa in any East African country and, unless you're really sneaky and live totally under the radar, you're in a shit load of trouble if you get caught.

In Kenya I had to have an "exemption" from getting a work permit and in Ethiopia I had to have a work permit. I never got one and got out of dodge most riki-tik because of "local politics". Luckily the Ethiopian embassy in DC had given me a 5 year multi-entry/exit visa.

When I bailed out of Ethiopia is was akin to a 2-man E & E op. The Ethiopian police, customs and border people at that time had all been trained by the East German Stasi. Thus, they were highly suspicious of anyone from the Western countries - it was harrowing to try and get out of the country without being flagged and tossed in the slammer. And no one wants to spend time in any African jail.

Luckily, I had good in-country advice.

Any views expressed by liberals/leftists on any immigration issue are uninformed bullshit.
 
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Trump issues 1,500 pardons for Jan. 6 defendants: ‘Going to release our great hostages’

Trump signed about 1,500 pardons after returning to the White House from a day of inaugural festivities.
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WASHINGTON — President Trump issued pardons Monday night for participants in the 2021 Capitol riot — staying true to his promise to grant clemency to people involved in halting the counting of Electoral College votes on Jan. 6, 2021.


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Trump signs pardons for Jan. 6 defendants

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Bigfoot said:

Trump issues 1,500 pardons for Jan. 6 defendants: ‘Going to release our great hostages’

Trump signed about 1,500 pardons after returning to the White House from a day of inaugural festivities.
nypost.com

WASHINGTON — President Trump issued pardons Monday night for participants in the 2021 Capitol riot — staying true to his promise to grant clemency to people involved in halting the counting of Electoral College votes on Jan. 6, 2021.


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Trump signs pardons for Jan. 6 defendants

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I sincerely hope the fellow man of these folks that got fucked over by law-fair and abuse from the DOJ at the behest of the former President...many have lost everything or damn near to it, and it's past time for US to quit taking care of the ungrateful fucks in other Countries and make our own whole or at least back to where they can start building their lives back.
 
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Don't know what to think of this one but boy would this be some heavy duty shit!!!

Catherine “The Pen“ Herridge is at GITMO..

“As the Trump administration begins its first 100 days in office…”We will be reporting from inside the courtroom and will have updates on the status of military trials and detention camps.

The timing of this is not an accident..

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Bigfoot said:

Trump issues 1,500 pardons for Jan. 6 defendants: ‘Going to release our great hostages’

Trump signed about 1,500 pardons after returning to the White House from a day of inaugural festivities.
nypost.com

WASHINGTON — President Trump issued pardons Monday night for participants in the 2021 Capitol riot — staying true to his promise to grant clemency to people involved in halting the counting of Electoral College votes on Jan. 6, 2021.


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Trump signs pardons for Jan. 6 defendants

Trump signs pardons for Jan. 6 defendants
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Job Done!! When Trump signed that. He handed it back and said get that where it needs to be now.

Jan. 6 Capitol rioters to be released from DC Jail

President Donald Trump has signed an executive order pardoning many of the over 1,500 people charged in connection with the riot. READ MORE: https://www.fox5...
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I'm just struck by the fact that we have a president again.
I mean, look at this guy's day three speeches, 196 executive actions, holds a 90 minute press conference narrating each one as he goes along. Joe Biden could not and would not offer the kind of transparency or vigor to the American people that we got here on day one from Trump.

The words that came to mind to me were gritty, resilient, determined and audacious. There's not like a more, perfect, advertisement for the value of these qualities in modern America.

You think about all the things that happened to him winning, losing the court cases, nearly being assassinated. It's rather audacious what he has accomplished, winning this election and taking office today.
 
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SonOfSun said:
That's not in the text.
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Sure it is, I highlighted it in the text you quoted:

SonOfSun said:
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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That said, I recognize that you're probably saying that the interpretation I posted is not in the text. Yes, that's kind of how law works. It gets written, then it gets interpreted. What does "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean, specifically in the context of when the 14th amendment was created? I think it's clear that it doesn't mean "any person who can be arrested for committing a crime," as that would include everyone - even diplomatic immunity has its limitations.

It's like the second amendment. What do "Arms" mean? We have to interpret that, ideally in the context of when the 2nd amendment was created. The interpretation I think most valid is "weapons commonly carried by a soldier of his time." Which would be muskets way back when, and today would be full auto and RPGs, but not nukes.

It's unfortunate, but laws are incorrectly interpreted all the time. What was it, just two years ago that we finally decided that the right to bear arms is not restricted to private property?
 
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Trump to Declare National Energy Emergency

“National security is a key issue here.”
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We pretty much got caught with our pants down when WWII started, and I'm sure there is a relationship to this and the Japanese (they attacked ostensibly because we cut their supplies) and we should think that at any moment the Middle East could cut oil, Chinese could cut off Metals and Minerals as could most any other Country which is why the Stock pile act was passed and fulfilled for decades. (BTW: FJB damn near emptied the Oil reserves, and if we were suddenly unable to import oil, we could be royally fucked)

The Strategic and Critical Materials Stock Piling Act of 1939 is a federal law that established the National Defense Stockpile (NDS). The act's purpose is to ensure the United States has access to strategic and critical materials in times of national emergency.
What does the act do?
  • Acquires and retains strategic and critical materials
  • Encourages domestic development of these materials
  • Reduces the United States' reliance on foreign sources for these materials
  • Prevents supply chain disruptions that could occur during national emergencies

What materials are included in the stockpile?

ores, base metals, precious metals, minerals, agricultural products, and titanium.

Who manages the stockpile?

  • The Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) manages the stockpile
  • The President determines the stockpile's content on a regular basis

Why was the act passed?
  • The United States relies on foreign resources for many strategic and critical materials
  • These materials are essential for military, industrial, and civilian needs
 
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Trump plans to classify drug cartels as terrorist organizations

The order describes drug cartels as posing a "national-security threat beyond that posed by traditional organized crime" and calls for U.S. agencies to begin taking action within two weeks of Monday's signing.
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President Donald Trump will use his authority to designate drug cartels as terrorist organizations, an executive action that's drawn growing support from Republican leaders in recent years.

Under U.S. law, the designation opens a broad array of actions including freezing or seizing assets of individuals or groups accused of aiding the cartels, while also stiffening criminal penalties. It could also clear the way for potential military strikes by the Trump administration
 
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OwnTheRide said:
Sure it is, I highlighted it in the text you quoted:



That said, I recognize that you're probably saying that the interpretation I posted is not in the text. Yes, that's kind of how law works. It gets written, then it gets interpreted. What does "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean, specifically in the context of when the 14th amendment was created? I think it's clear that it doesn't mean "any person who can be arrested for committing a crime," as that would include everyone - even diplomatic immunity has its limitations.

It's like the second amendment. What do "Arms" mean? We have to interpret that, ideally in the context of when the 2nd amendment was created. The interpretation I think most valid is "weapons commonly carried by a soldier of his time." Which would be muskets way back when, and today would be full auto and RPGs, but not nukes.

It's unfortunate, but laws are incorrectly interpreted all the time. What was it, just two years ago that we finally decided that the right to bear arms is not restricted to private property?
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Diplomatic immunity does mean you cannot be arrested.

An ambassador with diplomatic immunity could walk into 1PP in NYC and shoot the receptionist in the head and still couldn't be arrested for it.

What *would* happen is the US would demand that the host country deal with it.

It's likely they would waive the diplomatic immunity and he would *then* be arrested.

But, if they didn't, all the US could do would be to expell him (basically deport him and tell that country they need a new ambassador because that guy isn't allowed here anymore).
 
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