Bigfoot
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THE ADVENTURES OF THE 47TH PRESIDENT....
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Being a minor, doesn't the parent have to be there for the discussion also?
JaguarJaguarGolf
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I read that for each of these 3 children, adult family members here in the US legally were approached about taking custody of the child and all declined.
spat
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Did the kid *ask* for a lawyer ?
Even in a criminal case it's not automatic, you do need to ask.
I find it implausible that a 4 year old asked for a lawyer and was denied anyway.
dwa12479
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Agreed 100%. The "due process" needs to be nothing more than positive identification of the individual, and that they are here illegally. Done and gone. Definitely cant have every case winding through the courts for years.
kev74
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Kid wasn't charged with a crime, so no lawyer necessary.
Parent elected to take their kid home with them, at least that's what I read.
spat
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Think of it this way.
Anyone can be arrested and thrown in jail based on a single police officer merely thinking there is probable cause that they committed a crime.
The standard for deportation is about the same.
You get a trial and all that, but not until *after* you spent time in jail. You're not even guaranteed to *see* a judge to talk about bail for 24 hours or more.
If you're not guilty of the crime, you are entitled to a trial and all sorts of due process to find that out.
With deportation, that just happens in another country. If you aren't here illegally, then you have ample opportunity to plead that case and be allowed back in.
Just like you get a trial, but you sit in jail till it happens, you have a process to re-enter the US as well, you just sit in the other country while it happens.
Now, getting deported when you're a legal resident would suck for sure. But I'm not sure it's worse than spending weeks or months in jail waiting for a trial.
The government *should* compensate both parties for it's error in those cases, but I'm not sure there is a good argument for why the Deportation case is worse
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Exactly. And these kids weren't here illegally because they are US citizens....
Perhaps I'm wrong (it was a long time ago in a High School classroom where I was more interested in the girl beside me than the subject) but we were told as Minors, that we really did not have "Rights" and when you look in the proper context, the Teacher was correct, and why your Parents/Guardians were responsible for your actions.
I still contend that the age of Legal Adulthood should return to and remain at 21.
stokes
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But their mother, or legal guardian was here illegally. As minors we have no authority to take them from the mother to keep them here as citizens, they cannot make any decision about staying or going until they are of age. So they stay with the mother. What dont you understand about that? What legal authority gives us the right to keep them here? Better you should lay off the libtard kool aid.
Robin
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What ever became of that oft quoted legal axiom, "As a fruit of the poison tree, it is inadmissible". So get the fuck out ant your illegal spoor as well.
Robin
Robin
pjzwtl
.308 Win
This ^^^because w couldn’t like it twice.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
What part of the parents took the kids home with them don't some people understand. That’s what happened period, end of story. All this other crap is just to muddy the water.
Acer-m14
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BTW ... there is no birthright ... SCOTUS got it WRONG just like Row vs Whats her Name , ...
that was for the slaves and since there are no more slaves people need to get over it ..
the kids are not actually US Citizens ... cry all you want to ..
that was for the slaves and since there are no more slaves people need to get over it ..
the kids are not actually US Citizens ... cry all you want to ..
kev74
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spat
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Then the kids are free to return any time.
Provided they come in with an adult who is entering legally.
What would *you* suggest should have happened ?
What would the kids lawyer even request ? It's not like you can just release the kid to his own devices while the parents get sent back.
And we absolutely *can't* allow the "anchor baby" to remain in effect. Mom doesn't have a "get out of deportation free" card just because she dropped some crotch fruit on this side of the border.
Bigfoot
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livingston
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NEW: DC Court Smacks Down Federal Judge After He Ordered Trump Admin. to Rehire Liberal Voice of America Staffers - Legal Expert Reveals Why Ruling Will Have Widespread Impacts on Other Trump Cases | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger
"The liberal DC Circuit Court of Appeals handed President Trump a massive win on Saturday after a district court judge ordered him to rehire staff from far-left Voice of America that will have impacts lasting beyond just this one case, according to a legal expert.".
www.thegatewaypundit.com
NEW: DC Court Smacks Down Federal Judge After He Ordered Trump Admin. to Rehire Liberal Voice of America Staffers – Legal Expert Reveals Why Ruling Will Have Widespread Impacts on Other Trump Cases
The liberal DC Circuit Court of Appeals handed President Trump a massive win on Saturday after a district court judge ordered him to rehire staff from far-left Voice of America that will have impacts lasting beyond just this one case, according to a legal expert.US District Judge Royce Lamberth, a Reagan appointee, said Voice of America is funded by Congress and Trump’s cuts to the agency are “a direct affront to the power of the legislative branch.”
The DC Court of Appeals entered a stay of Lamberth’s injunction and suspended the first-instance decision, blocking the order that allowed them to return to work.
Legal Professor Margot Cleveland analyzed the decision and explained in detail why this ruling will have widespread implications.
“The Court of Appeals decision is based on fundamental issue of “jurisdiction,” she explained. “This conclusion should have wide-spread ramifications because many of challenges to Trump Administration are about employment decisions which CONGRESS said are NOT for district courts to decide.”
The constitution differs. All US citizens have a right to remain in the country, barring extradition for a crime, even then it goes through courts. Your parent not being a US citizen isn't YOUR crime, and no citizen is responsible for others crimes, just your own.
The mother needs to go either way. She's not a citizen. A US citizen who has committed no crimes has a right to be here. If she chooses to take the child with her, that should be her choice. If she chooses not to then we move on to other routes, that doesn't mean we deport a legal US citizen.
Whay do we do with them? The same thing we do for other US citizen minors who no longer have guardians (say both parents die in a car crash or similar). Namely a new guardian must be appointed, either by court order or through existing legal arrangements. If there is no established legal framework, the court will appoint a suitable relative or, if necessary, place the child in foster care.
spat
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You're not wrong, but i don't know why you think they weren't offered that choice.
The kid *wasn't* deported.
How many mothers do you know who would choose to give the kid up to the state under those circumstances ?
The kid has citizenship, he can come back whenever he wants.
If it was you in that situation, wouldn't you choose to keep *your* kid with you ?
kev74
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If JoAnna St. Germain is not arrested this week, I may lose all hope.
A Wisconsin man lost his bid before a federal appeals court to set aside his 3-year prison sentence for threatening to kill then-President Barack Obama. The threats first appeared on Facebook, and were then made verbally to anybody who would listen, including to Secret Service agents.
arstechnica.com
How is this any different ?
BTW, are we talking BIOLOGICAL woman here? Or is this more violence from a Transgender.
A Wisconsin man lost his bid before a federal appeals court to set aside his 3-year prison sentence for threatening to kill then-President Barack Obama. The threats first appeared on Facebook, and were then made verbally to anybody who would listen, including to Secret Service agents.
Man sentenced to 3 years for Facebook threat to kill Obama loses appeal
He told Secret Service of “biblical and constitutional duty” to assassinate Obama.
arstechnica.com
How is this any different ?
BTW, are we talking BIOLOGICAL woman here? Or is this more violence from a Transgender.
For everyone insisting on "due process" I wonder where you were when biden was doing the same thing. This article is from December 2023. Here is the money quote:
"Data show that tens of thousands of children have been ordered deported, most without legal representation or a fair day in court"
I guess its only a problem when Trump does something. TDS is an incurable disease apparently.
law.ucla.edu
"Data show that tens of thousands of children have been ordered deported, most without legal representation or a fair day in court"
I guess its only a problem when Trump does something. TDS is an incurable disease apparently.
No Fair Day: Damning New Report Reveals the Biden Administration’s Unlawful Treatment of Children in Immigration Courts
Data show that tens of thousands of children have been ordered deported, most without legal representation or a fair day in court CONTACT Hayley Burgess, UCLA Center for Immigration Law and Policy, burgess@law.ucla.edu
Bigfoot
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If JoAnna St. Germain is not arrested this week, I may lose all hope.
A Wisconsin man lost his bid before a federal appeals court to set aside his 3-year prison sentence for threatening to kill then-President Barack Obama. The threats first appeared on Facebook, and were then made verbally to anybody who would listen, including to Secret Service agents.
Man sentenced to 3 years for Facebook threat to kill Obama loses appeal
He told Secret Service of “biblical and constitutional duty” to assassinate Obama.
How is this any different ?
BTW, are we talking BIOLOGICAL woman here? Or is this more violence from a Transgender.
Wisconsin man Brian Dutcher is on the opposite side of the coin from that of JoAnna St. Germain.
Unlike Dutcher, St. Germain is on the side of the coin that is the protected class.
If she/he (St. Germain) ends up in court, a corrupt leftist judge will probably give her a gift certificate and a high five for making public threats against President Trump and his supporters.
The left is made up of garbage people. No class, no dignity. no sense of right or wrong.
I dare say they are all mentally ill cult members. It sure does appear that way. IMHO
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Dr. Evil
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Her post, which remained public for a time before being edited, implied that federal agents should initiate lethal action against the president and his allies to “avoid a civil war.”
“If I had the skill set required, I would take them out myself,” St. Germain wrote. “I’m making this post public for a reason, I promise you.”
This is a clear threat to many students she comes in contact with on a daily basis.
(BTW, what is "her" "Deadname"? She is about as feminine as Michelle (Michael) Obama).
“If I had the skill set required, I would take them out myself,” St. Germain wrote. “I’m making this post public for a reason, I promise you.”
This is a clear threat to many students she comes in contact with on a daily basis.
(BTW, what is "her" "Deadname"? She is about as feminine as Michelle (Michael) Obama).
The Chinese have been doing it for years, maybe even decades...they have a whole industry of tourism for pregnant women to come to America just before they pop...bastardization and misrepresentation of the facts of the Law have allowed this to become standard practice.
Despite their denials, China is losing the tariffs war and retreating as fast as it can
Beijing’s biggest worry is not a tariff recession, but the social unrest that will follow.
nypost.com
kev74
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Just when you thought the commies were at maximum freak out over the pope meme... More winning!
