Things are heating up in the Donbass

[holdover]

The other side of that is that Russia really isn't going to see any benefit from letting this continue either.

Benefit? Maybe not. there is no way Putin allows Ukraine to continue on as a sovereign goverment. He really has no choice . Is Ukraine going to agree to be nuetral? Putin is going to trust the same people that broke the Minsk agreements? Only to arm up again at some time in the future? The West cant be trusted. there can be no agreement with liars. He must maintain the edge he has ,I cant see him giving it up for a promise.

The only way Putin considers the deal is if its sweet enough. All territory East of the Dniper river and the port of Odessa , because I think thats all he really needs . I think zelensky would tell him to go fuck himself again , and the war will continue until Russia meets its goals .


Without proper air cover Ukraine cant launch a major offensive , let alone win the war. they are out numbered in tanks missiles, infantry and artillery.I thought for a moment they were going to try anyways

Even the F16s they are talking about wont change much, I would imagine the main purpose is not to engauge the Russian airforce but to strike ground targets useing weapons and targeting packages which would take to long to convert over to MIgs

 

[holdover]

Remember WW2 when Germany was at the gates of Moscow, the Russian officer core had been purged, the Russian army was collapsing and retreating along the entire front, whole army groups were lost . Nothing but air between the Germans and the Capital.

The Russians didn't quit. They wont ever quit. They are going to continue this war until Ukraine is crushed or surrenders , no matter what it costs , no matter how long it takes. The US is ready to throw the towel in already. It hasnt even crossed the Russians minds yet . They are ready willing and able to lose millions of men to secure their borders or die trying .

Zelenski signed his own death warrant, Doesnt matter where he goes , sooner or later they will find him and send him to hell

 

[spat]

Remember WW2 when Germany was at the gates of Moscow, the Russian officer core had been purged, the Russian army was collapsing and retreating along the entire front, whole army groups were lost . Nothing but air between the Germans and the Capital.

The Russians didn't quit. They wont ever quit. They are going to continue this war until Ukraine is crushed or surrenders , no matter what it costs , no matter how long it takes. The US is ready to throw the towel in already. It hasnt even crossed the Russians minds yet . They are ready willing and able to lose millions of men to secure their borders or die trying .

Zelenski signed his own death warrant, Doesnt matter where he goes , sooner or later they will find him and send him to hell

Putin may be willing to fight to the last Russian, but I am pretty sure Zelensky is willing to do the same thing.

A lot of powerful people are making a lot of money off this in the west. I don't think anyone who matters is getting ready to throw in the towel yet.

Also, in WWII, the Germans were knocking on the door of Moscow.

Here, the Russians are fighting to take someone else's home. I wouldn't count on the same level of dedication. Nobody fights a war of aggression with the same fervor they do defending their homes.

Also, Putin may be ruthless, be he's no Stalin, and modern Russia is not the Stalinist Soviet Union either. He doesn't have that degree of control, and the Russian people don't have that degree of desperation and fear.

 

[holdover]

Here, the Russians are fighting to take someone else's home. I wouldn't count on the same level of dedication. Nobody fights a war of aggression with the same fervor they do defending their homes.

Thats true , but the point I was trying to make is If they didnt quit when everything looked hopeless, they wont quit when they have the upperhand.

Putin may be willing to fight to the last Russian, but I am pretty sure Zelensky is willing to do the same thing.

I agree.

 

[ManualF150]

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[holdover]

To late.

 

[Jmac00]

Bad news, Ukraine is getting their asses handed to them, and the American taxpayer keeps throwing money and equipment at them, We are getting hosed in this shityass deal

 

[holdover]

Bakhmut has fallen

 

[holdover]

Russia’s advance more or less stalled months ago. How time flies.

HIMARS are doing a good number on the orcs, and more arriving weekly. Orcs have no defense against himars because their war fighting is basically about forty years behind nato. I anticipate the USA will release some of the long range himars rockets soon.

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The ''"Orcs"" found a way to jam the Himars. They are most likely jamming the Patriot system also. Even though your Buddy zelensky is claiming a 100% shoot down rate,( A rate we didnt achieve against SCUDS in the gulf war)

Two months ago there were 15,000 Ukrainian troops in Bakhmut, + ""advisors"" which were under orders to not retreat. + 500 a day reinforcements ,right now there are approximately 0.0 Ukraine troops in Bakmut.

Zelensky admits he will be under pressure if Russia takes Bakhmut

Zelensky said if the eastern city of Bakhmut fell to Russian forces after a protracted battle, president Vladimir Putin would 'sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned defeat in the battle for Bakhmut would enable Russia to start building international support for a deal that would require his nation to make unacceptable compromises.

Zelensky said if the eastern city of Bakhmut fell to Russian forces after a protracted battle, president Vladimir Putin would 'sell this victory to the West, to his society, to China, to Iran'.

'If he will feel some blood - smell that we are weak - he will push, push, push,' he told the Associated Press, adding that a loss anywhere at this stage in the war could put Ukraine's hard-fought momentum at risk.

 

[Mosinitis]

Land dispute aside. Western enemies sitting in Kiev and directing attacks on Russia, terrorist acts and assassinations will never be acceptable to Russia. It may be the norm for Washington schizophrenics, but no Russian leader will accept this.

 

[Defilade]

Bad news, Ukraine is getting their asses handed to them, and the American taxpayer keeps throwing money and equipment at them, We are getting hosed in this shityass deal

Russia has a vast intelligence network of informants in Ukraine.

Yeah, For decades! That is a major leg up.

 

[Mosinitis]

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Steal2B]

Zelensky Will Issue Ultimatum to Neutral Countries in Russia-Ukraine War: ‘Time to Pick Sides’​

Zelensky Will Issue Ultimatum to Neutral Countries in Russia-Ukraine War: 'Time to Pick Sides'

President Volodymyr Zelensky is ratcheting up the pressure on neutral countries that have avoided picking sides in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. The Ukrainian president traveled to Japan this weekend to meet with G7 leaders at the summit in Hiroshima. This will be his first visit to an Asian...

beckernews.com

 

[Acer-m14]

Bad news, Ukraine is getting their asses handed to them, and the American taxpayer keeps throwing money and equipment at them, We are getting hosed in this shityass deal

Well there goes any chance of Stopping Climate Change ... LOL ..

 

[holdover]

Zelinski hasn't been in Ukraine since the Kremlin was hit by drone.
Got to wonder what the ukraineiam soldiers think about that

 

[Mosinitis]

Zelinski hasn't been in Ukraine since the Kremlin was hit by drone.
Got to wonder what the ukraineiam soldiers think about that

Commander in Chief of the Ukrainian forces Valerii Zaluzhny went off to attend a wedding and disappeared. Lots of rumors.

Where the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny disappeared: five versions, from destruction by a Russian missile to hiding - ePrimefeed

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny has not appeared in the media for a month. Photo: REUTERS This disappearance seems sensational at this moment, when the “offensive” promised by kyiv should begin at any moment. The fact is that the Commander-in-Chief of the...

eprimefeed.com

 

[prambo]

The Catastrophically Misplaced National Security Focus Of The Biden Junta

"Actually, the idea that a border dispute between two regional kleptocracies is of any importance to the security of the United States is too stupid a thought to entertain for more than a few seconds, unless you are a highly placed official in ersatz president Biden's inner circle. In which case the interests of America are unimportant...the most important thing is keeping the graft flowing freely."

 

[Mosinitis]

I swear two days ago I was watching ABC NEWS YouTube video , where some retired general was explaining how Russia is losing this war. Dahhhh.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

In other news.... Ukrainian forces have entered Russia proper.

Kind of a big symbolic deal. This will not go over well at all. Tactically it's a nothing burger, strategically Russia is going to flip.

Kremlin says Putin has been informed of incursion into Belgorod Oblast

The Russian president's press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, says Vladimir Putin has been informed of the breach of the Russian border in Belgorod Oblast. Source: RIA Novosti, citing Peskov's statement Details: Peskov said that work is underway to stamp out "Ukrainian saboteurs" from the territory of...

news.yahoo.com

 

[prambo]

One of the authors has a possible lefty slant, but that doesn't make the article wrong

US National Security Experts Call for Peace in Ukraine

 

[Arjuna]

Fade to Black in Ukraine - Kunstler

 

[Defilade]

 

[Mosinitis]

Anti-NATO, anti-EU protests in Bulgaria. EU headquarters vandalized.

 

[spat]

Anti-NATO, anti-EU protests in Bulgaria. EU headquarters vandalized.

"Blood like paint".

Isn't that just a bit of an overly dramatic way to say "red" ?

 

[Acer-m14]

"Blood like paint".

Isn't that just a bit of an overly dramatic way to say "red" ?

the Blood / paint could be blue too .. them varicose Veins are Blue .. LOL ..

or Could be Dark Red .. shit .. 50 shades of Red now LOL


i think it depends on the paints O2 levels lol

 

[Mosinitis]

"Blood like paint".

Isn't that just a bit of an overly dramatic way to say "red" ?

It tells more of a story in fewer words.

 

[spat]

It tells more of a story in fewer words.

It does paint quite a picture.

But what do you expect from "journalists" these days ?

Certainly not to just report unembellished facts.

If they are trying that hard to create an emotional response in their audience, then they are acting like propagandists not journalists.

 

[Mosinitis]

It does paint quite a picture.

But what do you expect from "journalists" these days ?

Certainly not to just report unembellished facts.

If they are trying that hard to create an emotional response in their audience, then they are acting like propagandists not journalists.

Red paint doesn't symbolize blood in this protest?

 

[spat]

Red paint doesn't symbolize blood in this protest?

I'm sure it does.

But the choice of wording in the article clearly shows that the author is pushing an agenda and not just reporting the facts. I tend to give less weight to articles like that even when I *agree* with the authors bias.

The editorializing shows that factual reporting isn't their primary motive, so that leads to all sorts of questions about what facts might be missing because they don't support the narrative the author is pushing.