Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Talk about stupid shit soldiers do..... I know a Marine who shot a cleaning rod at another Marine with a blank while wearing a flak jacket.
Top 5 Reasons 40 S&W is the best caliber on Earth
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Cavalry
.308 Win
Is it just me, or does the narrator of this video sound like a cross between the dude from epic meal time and our very own DET?
How do you know it's not DET? What the hell happened to him anyway? I wanna see more of his goofy shit!
I know that the most dangerous combination of things in the world are Soldiers+alcohol+jackass dvds. And this led me to the subsequent revelation that burning your roommate' chest hair off with spray paint and a lighter results in the most godawful stench you can imagine!
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gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Well... the caliber wars may never end but at least the ak vs ar war has been settled.
ImpeachObama
9mm
I like the farty cal.
Koz
.223 Rem
27 handguns and not one .40 cal. Sorry but IMHO, it's the answer to a question no one axed.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I have nearly a dozen pistols in various calibers. Two are in .40 cal. I like them both though I can't say that I like them more than any other.
It's nice to see that the caliber war is alive and well. I for one think of all the calibers out there as women. Each of them may have a different shape and personality but as long as they can perform when it counts, that's all that really matters.
That attitude may be one of the reasons I'm still single.
It's nice to see that the caliber war is alive and well. I for one think of all the calibers out there as women. Each of them may have a different shape and personality but as long as they can perform when it counts, that's all that really matters.
That attitude may be one of the reasons I'm still single.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Yeah but do you want a hot sexy woman that's thick in all the right places or a skinny anorexic one that needs a sammich?
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Clearly you didn't read my last sentence...haha.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Many people argue calibers without even knowing how bullets work. They think bigger is better or more velocity is better. They argue because they just happen to blindly choose one caliber when they got their first gun or someone chose it for them.
The fact of the matter is, on a human body, whether you get shot with a modern .38 Special hollow point or a modern .357 Magnum or Sig hollow point, they are all designed to penetrate to a depth of between 12 to 18 inches and expand to about the same diameter with some exceptions dependant on bullet construction. In a FMJ or Hard Cast, they will all completely penetrate through both sides of a human body in most cases. Bullet weight and velocity only come into effect as far as penetrating goes when a body is deep like a body of a large animal like a bear or when going through hard barriers like steel, glass, or wood. The more powerful .357 Magnum or Sig calibers comes at a price of more recoil yet will do the same to a thin, fragile, human body as would the .38 Special. An extra 200 to 400 fps will make no difference on a human body.
The .40 and 10mm follow the same concept.
As far as the 9mm and .40 S&W go, depending on the particular round, they penetrate to about inches of one another and expand to millimeters of one another. Some 9mm rounds actually expand larger and penetrate deeper than some .40 S&W rounds. It all depends on the construction of the round you choose. Before the Miami Shootout, 9mm rounds were designed for maximum expansion only since that was the craze at the time with no guidelines for penetration. After research and adoption of the. 40 S&W that was designed from the ground up to behave a certain way, 9mm manufacturers designed their bullets to behave similarly. At that point, many PD's had already switched and the bias was already ingrained.
When it comes to the .45 ACP though, all bets are off. That round is designed to drop horses right in their tracks no matter what type of bullet is used. On a human body, 1 shot and there is immediate incapacitation even if shot in a non vital area like the foot.
The fact of the matter is, on a human body, whether you get shot with a modern .38 Special hollow point or a modern .357 Magnum or Sig hollow point, they are all designed to penetrate to a depth of between 12 to 18 inches and expand to about the same diameter with some exceptions dependant on bullet construction. In a FMJ or Hard Cast, they will all completely penetrate through both sides of a human body in most cases. Bullet weight and velocity only come into effect as far as penetrating goes when a body is deep like a body of a large animal like a bear or when going through hard barriers like steel, glass, or wood. The more powerful .357 Magnum or Sig calibers comes at a price of more recoil yet will do the same to a thin, fragile, human body as would the .38 Special. An extra 200 to 400 fps will make no difference on a human body.
The .40 and 10mm follow the same concept.
As far as the 9mm and .40 S&W go, depending on the particular round, they penetrate to about inches of one another and expand to millimeters of one another. Some 9mm rounds actually expand larger and penetrate deeper than some .40 S&W rounds. It all depends on the construction of the round you choose. Before the Miami Shootout, 9mm rounds were designed for maximum expansion only since that was the craze at the time with no guidelines for penetration. After research and adoption of the. 40 S&W that was designed from the ground up to behave a certain way, 9mm manufacturers designed their bullets to behave similarly. At that point, many PD's had already switched and the bias was already ingrained.
When it comes to the .45 ACP though, all bets are off. That round is designed to drop horses right in their tracks no matter what type of bullet is used. On a human body, 1 shot and there is immediate incapacitation even if shot in a non vital area like the foot.
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RandallOfLegend
.40 S&W
Worth mentioning that the 9mm has historically had issues penetrating auto glass and other barriers. Where the 40 out performed the 45 and the 9mm in these situations. I wonder if new loadings have alleviated the issue, or if police are settling for not shooting drivers through the windshield.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
From what I've seen in unscientific YouTube tests, those rounds had no such issues penetrating glass but rather had more defection of a few inches compared to other calibers that had minimal if not none.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Not gonna argue. Not gonna cry. 40 cal and 10 mm are the only calibers that I don't have.
Nothing against them until I look at my ammo cabinet.
Yeah I am one of those guys that the news reporters gasp at while the pee in their panties. (and police found 5000 rounds of ammunition in the mans house) 5 or 10 thousand rounds ain't a lot, after all, they don't eat!
Probably 2500 .22's - 100 25 cal - thousands of 38 special for PPC
couple of hundred .357 Mag - 9mm and 380 and .45 ACP about a grand each.
Zero .40 or 10 mm. oops missed .32's none of those either.
Not even gonna mention my rifle ammo.
I just don't want to have another caliber to shop for. That is the only reason I don't own a gun in those calibers. However, if I happen to win one in a Gun Raffle well then I just figure God is trying to tell me something.
ps. I have never found a volunteer to take one for the team and allow himself to be shot my any of the calibers in my closet.... Just sayin.
Nothing against them until I look at my ammo cabinet.
Yeah I am one of those guys that the news reporters gasp at while the pee in their panties. (and police found 5000 rounds of ammunition in the mans house) 5 or 10 thousand rounds ain't a lot, after all, they don't eat!
Probably 2500 .22's - 100 25 cal - thousands of 38 special for PPC
couple of hundred .357 Mag - 9mm and 380 and .45 ACP about a grand each.
Zero .40 or 10 mm. oops missed .32's none of those either.
Not even gonna mention my rifle ammo.
I just don't want to have another caliber to shop for. That is the only reason I don't own a gun in those calibers. However, if I happen to win one in a Gun Raffle well then I just figure God is trying to tell me something.
ps. I have never found a volunteer to take one for the team and allow himself to be shot my any of the calibers in my closet.... Just sayin.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
5000 rounds of .22lr will fit in one .50cal ammo can.
500 rounds is one day at the range depending on what you're up to, so talking about some guy having "1000 rounds of x" would be like complaining that someone had "2 cases of beer, who needs that much"....."
There are only two times the number of rounds you have is significant.
1) When in a fire fight
2) calculating the load rating of the floor supporting the weight of your ammo.
1) When in a fire fight
2) calculating the load rating of the floor supporting the weight of your ammo.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
You hit the nail on the head.
Just like Cuomo screamed "nobody needs ten boolits to kiw a deeeeeaahhhh!"
My response is who are you to tell me what I need or don't need.
Now the mantra is people don't need AR-15's in the civilian world. Again my response is I may not need one but I want one.
and then I say, who are you to tell me what I need or don't need.
Some day soon with the technology we have today, some POS liberal will come up with legislation that will go something like this.
You are at a checkout station of your local store. You plop up a case of Sam Adams and a Case of Bud light on the belt.
The pimply faced son of a milineal rings it up and you get a warning.
He then says, sir, according to our records, you have purchased 2 other cases of beer in the past 36 hours. According to the new NY SAFE Drinkers Act you have to fill out this 4 page form and declare that you are not an alcoholic and explicitly declare the reason for having such a large quantity of beeeeeeah in your possession. If you are having a party, you must state the reason for the party and list the guests to the party and then their names will be check against known alcoholics, and on and on it goes.
Remember what our Governor says. Nobody needs 3 cases of beeeah unles they are having a party.
This is the real intent behind the Ammo Background Check of NY SAFE or the SA part of the acronym. Oh wait a minute sir, NY State wants to know why you are purchasing 40 cal ammo when you don't have a 40 cal registered on your license.
OR
Hmmmm is says here that you did not register a scary looking ASSault Rifle in 2014 why then are you purchasing these .223 rounds.
Not trying to hijack the thread.
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
The really screwy part, is the guy buying ammo 1000rnds at a time is more likely to be a law abiding gun owner than the guy who only wants one box.
The vast majority of crimes committed with a gun involve less than 10 rounds. The guy who puts enough ammo downrange to need 1000rnds is obviously someone who isn't doing it to rob liquor stores......
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. I argue this point at work all the time with the Libs. They just cannot understand that in one hour 300 plus rounds are expended. I tell them I go through a minimum of a thousand rounds in the summer months in one month if I go multiple times to the range and they say it's still too many to keep at home.
Then I tell them that their argument is that we lowly civilians aren't trained like the military and police so when we do train it's a problem and don't train it's a problem.
They don't even know what they are arguing about.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
This is again the morons being scared of inanimate objects. What does ammo do when sitting in a box somewhere? Absolutely nothing except take up space. So then the only way you could have too much ammo is if you're storing it in a weak structure that could collapse. Do yourself a favor and don't waste time arguing with these people. They are simply to stupid to think logically and see things from a different perspective.
Gotta pass, some of his goofy shit is what gives good gun owners a bad name.
Clipazine
.45 acp
If 9mm can't settle your problem, then you need a rifle.