Yes - resident and I have a full CCW in FL
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Transport a Handgun Through LaGuardia to FL
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Yes - resident and I have a full CCW in FL
spat
.950 JDJ
There is nothing illegal about doing it, but none of the carriers will allow it.You can ship s firearm to yourself in another state without using an FFL.
May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Yes. A person may ship a firearm to him or herself in care of another person in the state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out–of–state resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other...www.atf.gov
May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?
Yes. A person may ship a firearm to him or herself in care of another person in the state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner “in the care of” the out–of–state resident. Upon reaching its destination, persons other than the owner may not open the package or take possession of the firearm.
spat
.950 JDJ
break it down and ship it in 2 packages as separate parts ?
Nothing prevents you from shipping a slide by any means.
I'm not sure a bare receiver would run into problems either.
To me this gets into dangerous and unknown territory and would leave me really concerned
I would be concerned that I would be perceived to be trying to circumvent the process, or that I would end up only receiving half a gun
This is all pretty crazy really
I think my only solution is to purchase another handgun in FL and then get me existing guns transported down when i finally move everything to FL
This is the issue when you try to do things right and follow the rules and regulations - it literally gets too complicated................at least for me!
I would be concerned that I would be perceived to be trying to circumvent the process, or that I would end up only receiving half a gun
This is all pretty crazy really
I think my only solution is to purchase another handgun in FL and then get me existing guns transported down when i finally move everything to FL
This is the issue when you try to do things right and follow the rules and regulations - it literally gets too complicated................at least for me!
spat
.950 JDJ
Either that or pay an FFL to ship it for you.
I think that means the receiving FFL needs to do another 4473 (probably not a NICS since you have a FL CCW).
Might be able to ask a FL FFL if they even have to put it on their books. Since they are just acting as a shipping agent and ownership of the gun doesn't change, maybe they don't have to. If that's the case they can probably skip the 4473 as well.
I'm sure they will need some $$ for their effort, but it might be worth it.
Have you tried calling /asking your airline, PAPD/ TSA about the rule of flying with your firearm?
I've never done it because I think it's a pain in the a$$. But it's possible & legal (Another site.. I'm not going to post someone else message from another place. not right. you can google it.) But guys fly out of JFK & LGA with their firearms legally all the time and they don't have a NYC permit (IDK if rules have changed.) People take their firearms on hunting trips. They visit their 2nd home or families out of state. Just follow the rules. You're not staying in NYC, you're passing through (catching a flight.) I (not a NYC resid) travel through NYC every year to go hunting up North.
Call the airline for their rules. (From what I heard.. Arrive at the airport with the firearm unloaded in a locked TSA approved case (ammo in a separate locked case.) Once you arrive.. check-in and declare your firearm at the airport. PAPD is called to inspect it and have you fill out forms. They hold on to your firearm and will place it on your flight. You get the firearm back when you land at your destination. You don't get to hold onto your firearm while you wait for your flight.
I've never done it because I think it's a pain in the a$$. But it's possible & legal (Another site.. I'm not going to post someone else message from another place. not right. you can google it.) But guys fly out of JFK & LGA with their firearms legally all the time and they don't have a NYC permit (IDK if rules have changed.) People take their firearms on hunting trips. They visit their 2nd home or families out of state. Just follow the rules. You're not staying in NYC, you're passing through (catching a flight.) I (not a NYC resid) travel through NYC every year to go hunting up North.
Call the airline for their rules. (From what I heard.. Arrive at the airport with the firearm unloaded in a locked TSA approved case (ammo in a separate locked case.) Once you arrive.. check-in and declare your firearm at the airport. PAPD is called to inspect it and have you fill out forms. They hold on to your firearm and will place it on your flight. You get the firearm back when you land at your destination. You don't get to hold onto your firearm while you wait for your flight.
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The answer to that is no. The appeals circuit court basically said it applies to vehicles like cars, not travel to the airport
If you look at the posts above, the specific wording on the LaGaurdia website states clearly.................
"State gun laws vary considerably. Before possessing and carrying firearms into New York please be aware of local New York City gun control laws. Please check with New York City Police prior to possessing and carrying a weapon into New York City".
So essentially, unless you have a NYC gun permit - DO NOT BRING THE GUN TO THE AIRPORT
And with that plus the current gun climate, there is no way I am taking any type of risk or chance with that
But I will look at the FFL to FFL option
spat
.950 JDJ
The appeals court in NY would authorize confiscation of sharp sticks if NY passed it.
Has anyone with the means to actually take this to SCOTUS ever been pushed ? Or will they drop it before someone tries and they run the risk of the whole thing getting shot down.
Pretty sure anyone with a million to spare will not go to prison.
I would love to have the time, money and effort to fight some of this stuff - may not get far, but it would be worth the fight
Maybe the upcoming SCOTUS decision on NYC carry will help with this....................but no doubt that will be appealed and then NYC will try to put a million "additions" to when you can or cant carry
Maybe the upcoming SCOTUS decision on NYC carry will help with this....................but no doubt that will be appealed and then NYC will try to put a million "additions" to when you can or cant carry
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
When you ship a firearm to a vendor for repair, it gets sent back to you via FedEx and requires a signature. It does not go through an FFL. I've sent a few pistols and long guns to vendors for RMA service using FedEx. The firearms were returned directly to me, at my home, from vendors that did the RMA service. On occasion, when I was not home, the packages were held at branch hubs until I could pick them up in person.
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It's been few years and it looks like thing have changed. My bad....
Shipping Guns via FedEx Now Limited to FFLs & Gov’t Agencies « Daily Bulletin
IMPORTANT: FedEx policies now prohibit regular persons from shipping ANY firearms through FedEx. The shipping company now limits firearms shipping privileges to FFL-holders and certain government agencies. NOTE: This is not a new change for 2022. The restrictions went into effect in Q3 2021.
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spat
.950 JDJ
I looked on the DHL website, and they say they will not ship *complete* firearms. That implies that they would ship a bare receiver.
There are no laws against shipping a handgun to yourself, so "circumventing the process" is just a policy of the individual carrier. If you did "circumvent the process" you would just be pissing off UPS or FedEx, not violating any laws. Not sure what they could do to you if they did think that.
So, if you want to go that route, ship the slide FedEx or UPS, no problem there.
Ship the frame DHL. They appear to be OK with that.
Actually, you could at that point ship the frame USPS, because it's no longer a handgun, it's an other.
Imagine the process for an AR pattern handgun. Once you ship the upper via whoever, then the lower is no different than shipping a rifle.
Yeah - it is just getting pretty messy
Reviewing DHL - they will NOT ship complete firearms, however, they also have a RESTRICTED list which incudes "firearms parts"
So my reading would be that shipping the slide and receiver separately amounts to "firearm parts" and that is restricted under DHL...............though not sure what restricted means at the moment
Additionally, here is DHL;
"Dangerous Goods & Prohibited Items
Please note that DHL Freight does not transport the following types of goods through its network: Weapons and ammunition; Dangerous goods"
So to me that says NO
Honestly, their website is simply not clear
And I just found this
Reviewing DHL - they will NOT ship complete firearms, however, they also have a RESTRICTED list which incudes "firearms parts"
So my reading would be that shipping the slide and receiver separately amounts to "firearm parts" and that is restricted under DHL...............though not sure what restricted means at the moment
Additionally, here is DHL;
"Dangerous Goods & Prohibited Items
Please note that DHL Freight does not transport the following types of goods through its network: Weapons and ammunition; Dangerous goods"
So to me that says NO
Honestly, their website is simply not clear
And I just found this
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
To my knowledge it has not been successfully appealed higher.
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Do not enter, for any reason, and NYC airports with any firearm for which you do not have a NYC permit for. Period. End of story. Do not temp fate.
spat
.950 JDJ
Have the cases against anyone who would do so been unceremoniously dropped ?
That is the NYC way.
subsonic
.44 mag
LaGuardia is not “classed as” NYC it is NYC. If you show up there to fly with a gun without a city permit you will be arrested. You can layover there with a gun checked but that is playing with fire for all the reasons mentioned, if your connection has problems. Until such time as SCOTUS forces meaningful change the only time you should be in NYC with a firearm and no city permit is on the highway through the Bronx and Queens over Whitestone or Throg’s Neck bridge between upstate and Long Island taking highways with no stops and careful driving, guns locked and cased, or expect any police interaction to lead to arrest.
I would do homework before even flying from Philly as a NY resident unless you have a PA permit. PA has strict laws on the books about guns in vehicles without permits and Philly is a city hostile to lawful gun ownership. Beware. Safest may be to ship it or fly from upstate.
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
More like, it was plea bargained down to a ticket or an ACD. Adjournment in contemplation of dismissal. Basically, stay out of trouble for six months and it disappears .
spat
.950 JDJ
More like "please don't appeal this to someone who will strike down the whole scheme...."
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
No, it’s been going on for decades. And it was appealed to 2nd federal appeals circuit where FOPA was ruled to only apply to auto transportation (a generalization of the ruling) . You have get SCOTUS to agree to take the case. Its unlikely. It’s not a constitutional question in the court’s mind but interpretation of FOPA
spat
.950 JDJ
Probably would need a case under a different circuit that conflicted to get to SCOTUS.
Not sure there are many other places it would even come up.
That's a pretty NYC specific problem.
misunderestimated
.223 Rem
How do you have hand guns in NY if you are now a Florida resident. What make you a resedent is once you get your Florida Drivers licence. I also own a place in Florida, Pay Florida property tax , But I still have my NT driver licence and that makes me a NY resedent. I fly often to Compitisions out of state and use Newark,Stewart,and Whiteplanes. Although LGA & Kennedy is much cheaper most of the time I would never consider eather an option
spat
.950 JDJ
You cannot get a NY license as a non resident.
But you can renew an existing one once you leave.
My wife and I have NY permits showing our new Arizona address.
A NY non resident permit does exist.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The basic issue applies to NJ, CA, and other anti gun states.
SCOTUS hasn’t picked it up and I don’t think they are going to.
spat
.950 JDJ
Any of them outside the 2nd circuit so blatantly violate the FOPA provision ?
byron
.308 Win
There are some exceptions
NY doesn't recognize permits/licenses from any other states and only residents, part-time residents or anyone who is principally employed or has his or her principal place of business can obtain NYPLs.
spat
.950 JDJ
True.
Our path was getting the license as residents and escaping the state, but there are others.
But you need to be beholden to the state somehow to get it, but not to keep it
i have 2 properties and 2 homes
1 property in FL and I have the CCW for there
1 property in Oneida county and the permit gets issued by Oneida even though I am resident in FL - they are happy to issue me a permit for NYS………only issue is I need it to be renewed each year and I need a NY cop to verify I have no convictions in NYS
But I definitely have both permits
ok - well I have a NY permit and am non resident in NY and Oneida County are happy to keep renewing g it for me each year and it has now been renewed twice
in fact- when they first issued it to me they made a mistake - issued me a full carry
About 2 weeks late they clearly found their mistake and rescinded the full carry but gave the usual sportsman/hunting type license in place