That’s really all we can do is speak out, is it not?
Troops Sent to Help Evacuate US Embassy in Afghanistan; Joe Biden's Words Come Back to Haunt Him
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Blimey
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I listened to last 5 min. It sounded fine to me.
I think a lot of people are using this as an opportunity to hit biden because they hate him. That's cheap points.
He is merely the guy who finally said the emperor had no clothes. Other presidents, most notably bush and obama, kept pretending there was a future in afghanistan. Biden just isn't. He essentially said it's a lost cause, so we're done with it.
BerettaGuy
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I agree. BUT! His generals and military staff warned him and he (and Kamila) decided not to follow their advice so Efff them.
Its all on Him and her.
spat
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Coming soon to a city near you.
spat
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It was quite possible to draw down without this shit show.
I believe if Trump were still in charge the timeline for the evacuation would have still happened.
The Taliban would still have taken over, yes.
But you would not have had thousands of people risking their lives to evacuate. It would have been orderly and anyone who wanted out would have been able to get out.
Blimey
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They are a profoundly poor, uneducated country. As recently as 2009 about 50% of them were sympathetic to the taliban. Supposedly it's a lot less now. That means millions of them are absolutely good to go with how the taliban sees and treats women. It's certainly possible for a minority to run a country by violence because the majority do not take up defense, but there is vast sympathy for the taliban there.
Blimey
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Perhaps the evacuation would have gone differently, but in the grand scheme of things the future of afghanistan is more than the evacuation of an embassy and some people with visas. The country will go back to how it was before because it is a hopeless black hole with no future, run by religious zealots.
spat
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Yes, the only way to avoid that involved a path Americans do not have the stomach to implement.
If you kill all the Taliban and Taliban sympathizers.
And you kill all the corrupt officials.
And you structure the economy such that integrity and hard work are the way to get ahead, then you could build a modern prosperous nation in Afghanistan.
But, we do not have the will to kill 20% of them.
And the people we have in charge *like* the corruption and want to use it for their own ends. So the nation building was doomed to fail.
Not because we lack the ability, but because we lack the willpower and discipline.
Phazer
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I disagree, somewhat.
Nation building is a fools errand. However, what would have been wrong with keeping air assets, and troops to protect those air assets and bases, in Afghanistan to provide air support for the Afghan military? The U.S. hasn't had a combat casualty in Afghanistan in over 16 months. We supposedly trained the Afghan military to fight with combined arms. Then, the U.S. withdrew all air power and even contractor support to keep Afghan air assets flying.
We have bases all over the world. Keeping a minimal presence in Afghanistan with the defined goal of denying the Taliban the staging ground that they enjoyed prior to 2001 would seem to be worthwhile.
spat
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We've had a base in Cuba for over 100 years. All through the cold war.
I can certainly see the advantages of a few bases in Afghanistan. If for no other reason than regional power projection from a place we DGAF about the local governments complaints.
Dr. Evil
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US Troops Shot At, Return Fire at Kabul Airport and Kill ‘Armed Individuals’: Pentagon
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BerettaGuy
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“Do I have this all right?: Our border is wide open, China’s biological weapon is surging, we closed our pipelines but opened Russia’s, the Taliban is back in charge, we are defunding the police and people with penises are women,”
This video is 37 mins long, explain your points very well. Worth the watch.
BerettaGuy
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Since 2001 I have believed that we fight them in their back yards so we don't have to fight them in ours.
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Taliban Boldly Proclaims Their Victory Will Spread, Islamic Law Will Envelop the World
Uh oh...
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Dr. Evil
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Biden authorizes $500M in aid relief to Afghan refugees amid Taliban takeover
The president authorized $500 million on Monday in aid relief to assist Afghan refugees amid chaos as the Taliban take over the country.
Uninformed and Compliant
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The trolling has begun.
Have to agree there. I don't blame the military there. You can't stay grounded forever because some asshats won't let go of the plane. Take off, and those that don't let go of an accelerating plane get what they get.
Considering they want us gone it will last until then and not a second more.
I think odds are the Taliban knows if they intervene we have b52s and ac130s orbiting at FL30 out of sight 24/7 on standby just waiting to unloadif they harass our hasty evacuation.
It's an uneasy truce but they want us gone ASAP and best way to do that is not interfere
Doc8404
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Americans showing passports to US Marines and they are turned away.
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Informal group of troops, vets, working to help Afghans seeking refuge in US
Taliban control is raising alarms for Afghans and Americans in Kabul.
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Doc8404
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“Glad I’m at The Home. They call it Camp David. Where’s my diaper?”
livingston
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Americans showing passports to US Marines and they are turned away.
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Informal group of troops, vets, working to help Afghans seeking refuge in US
Taliban control is raising alarms for Afghans and Americans in Kabul.
That's very discouraging. It sounds like all diplomatic staff has evacuated and now nothing is being done.
If Americans get left behind it will be unforgivable
Doc8404
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maybe we should’ve evacuated people, then kicked off the exit strategy. This is ridiculous.
livingston
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joe just lost track of time
Doc8404
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Most photos I have seen of packed aircraft are of military aged males.
where are they going?
What’s the plan?
Why aren’t they dying on their soil??
where are they going?
What’s the plan?
Why aren’t they dying on their soil??
Sounds like to Texas and Wisconsin
livingston
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PHOTOS: Surreal Look at the Taliban’s Takeover in Afghanistan
The Taliban’s reconquest of Afghanistan has accelerated over the past several days as the insurgent group overtook the national capital of Kabul.
https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/paul-blest
www.vice.com
The Taliban’s reconquest of Afghanistan has accelerated over the past several days as the insurgent group overtook the national capital of Kabul.
https://www.vice.com/en/contributor/paul-blest
PHOTOS: Surreal Look at the Taliban’s Takeover in Afghanistan
The Taliban’s reconquest of Afghanistan has accelerated over the past several days as the insurgent group overtook the national capital of Kabul.
www.vice.com