Trouble at Home for Magnus

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spat said:
A particular long gun maybe, but in most situations a long gun is preferable.

Sure, a Baretta might beat a Barrett for CQB, but a P90 beats them both.
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What about if you are trying to rob someone. In that case a pistol trumps a long gun every time.

Or if you are trying to blend in to assassinate someone. ;)
 
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Willjr75 said:
What about if you are trying to rob someone. In that case a pistol trumps a long gun every time.

Or if you are trying to blend in to assassinate someone. ;)
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For assassination, explosives are generally preferable, second choice is a long range high accuracy rifle, a pistol, not so much.

I've never thought about what's best for robbery. Proper choice of victims, then the weapon doesn't matter ?
 
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I would get a steel door and frame for that war closet though. Seems the other doors are more solid.
 
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I wouldn't advise the use of a shotgun nor a rifle personally. When you're sprinting to other rooms and through hallways, barrels can easily get smacked on door frames and it's easier to grab a long gun barrel while deflecting it which is not what you want when entering another room. You'll want whatever firearm close to your body.
 
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Finish off BG4 just for disturbing your slumber 1 and 3 will flee now that there is noting to save. If they push on well its the cops or your into some serious shit and its a professional hit. If the latter 2 your fooked
 
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Cooolone said:
I'm not sure I would check the assailant for anything, or try to "remove" his weapon... If weapon is in hand, he's still and threat, there will be no discussion, the only thing he will receive from me is more of what I already gave! I'm not going to get too close and get knifed or overpowered!

And for the record with multiple BG's I'm not going to worry an awful lot about his condition at all. Just make sure the threat is no longer a threat. If and when cleared of threats, I would still maintain ground and still not retreat to the family, kids, unless absolutely necessary. In other words, I won't remove myself from the field, until relieved (by LE). I'm the buffer to protect my family, if I retreat, I've no longer have control of ground I've gained, as mentioned, they could return... Yes, most unlikely, but still an unknown element of their intentions. I will call for ambulatory assistance if I feel I can... That's about it.



ummmm, no, sorry. There's something misaligned in your thought pattern there. In your home, and you've already engaged in a violent deadly confrontation, their only option is to leave and quickly! If they stop attacking is does not constitute that the threat has ended.

Biggest problem will occur with there being more than one side to the story, ie, they thought it was a friends house and they only kicked the door in to use the bathroom. Or hey, they thought this was where the choir practice was being held... Fuckers who are in the system are very imaginative to provide viable excuses for their actions that'll skirt the legal envelope...

Anyways, just my thoughts...
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So you've already neutralized one threat he's on the ground bleeding, now you're going to leave the relative safety of a defensible position to peruse BG1-3 and continue the engagement? I'm no operator but that seems like a bad idea both tactically and legally unless we' re both grossly misunderstanding each other.
 
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speedkills27 said:
So you've already neutralized one threat he's on the ground bleeding, now you're going to leave the relative safety of a defensible position to peruse BG1-3 and continue the engagement? I'm no operator but that seems like a bad idea both tactically and legally unless we' re both grossly misunderstanding each other.
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You're definitely misreading and need to see the post my response was related to. I didn't say I would "pursue" anything, and I think we are saying the same, I'm not giving ground, retreating to my family and leaving the assailants freedom of movement or whatnot. I will stay right there, if any bad guy comes into my sightline or presents a target, including the one already downed, I will reengage. I never said I'd give up or move out of my position. But yes, if they move and give up their position I may press forward, why wouldn't I. I have a right to be there, am more familiar with the layout and safe zones and have an advantage as such.

Quite frankly, an assailant on the ground bleeding does not represent a neutralized target, bleeding indicates the blood is still pumping, the brain is still working and the assailants self preservation (or worse) instincts may very much be active. Do you think someone bleeding has given up the fight? I pray I never ever encounter a hypothetical scenario such as this, my heart is pounding just typing this thinking about it. But I will tell you this... In my years, my experience, any training... There's is one simple and consistent theme which survivors can debrief you about, and that is, those who resort to their most prejudicial application of basic animal instinct and will to survive, do just that... Running away, retreating, hiding, etc., does not achieve those results. Most bad guys want easy marks, rapist run from women who fight back, etc. Fact is that if you've already predisposed your mind to give up, wait for someone else to fight your fight, to rescue you, you've already lost! I don't mean to recklessly abandon reasonable thought and just charge an attacker, there is a difference. There is way too much programming to this effect, especially here in NY, that when you are not the aggressor you need to retreat, to de-escalate, to do all you can to not resort to violence in response to violence! That thinking, that mindset, will not achieve what you hope.

Get mugged, hand the guy your cash, no problem. Guy has a knife, throw the money away and walk opposite direction... Yes. Turn you back? Not a chance! They guy gets close enough to stab or slash you, you just stand there? Never ever! Have you been mugged? Knife point? Gun? I have... Want to share experiences? Results?

Anyways, all just my opinion. As for legally? I don't know what you mean, even in absence of Castle Doctrine here in NY, I do have a right to defense using lethal force in my home if I am not the original agitator and the actor is only seeking to greviously harm me or my family. I won't worry about legal ramification beforehand - see above as to preloading your brain to lose in such a scenario if all you're worried about is what will happen in court post engagement. You project yourself at all times... Always! Let the lawyers fight it out later.
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Ok take a deep breath, it sounds like we are on the same page.
I'm not waiting for someone else to fight my fight, or giving up, I thought you were moving up through the house putting BG4 between you and your family. If that was the case it was a critical tactical mistake, as you clarified that's not what you meant. As for being mugged, no never have, so I can't speak to that experience but when I am in sections of town where that is a possibility I am ever vigilant. I keep multiple levels of force on my person and maintain heightened situational awareness, as to avoid the fight before it happens. Obviously in Mangus example the fight chose him, the BG on the floor bleeding is still a threat, true, but if it were me I would grab greater firepower from the war closet and meet the violence with greater violence from the doorway. I feel the downed BG is a roadblock to securing the entire house. So until he looses conciseness or is picked up by the corner why leave a superior fighting position. I don't know your background and I hope neither of us has to put our plans into actions, I'm just bringing my POV
 
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I would reengage the BG if necessary, stand ground at war closet. You are already between the bad guys and the most important assets (Mrs and Lil Magnus) Since you are in the war closet, if you can up your firepower do so while keeping an eye on the threat. Chances are the bad guys already left. I would guess that Mrs Magnus is already on the phone with 911 for you back up.
 
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