Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
there is a difference between "holding up aid" and extortion.
When biden said "if you don't fire the prosecutor, you don't get 6 billion dollars, and Im leaving in 6 hours" THATS EXTORTION
Trump indicted in classified documents probe
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When biden said "if you don't fire the prosecutor, you don't get 6 billion dollars, and Im leaving in 6 hours" THATS EXTORTION
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
Standing ovation.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
ooh this just gets better and better :
"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) normally oversees the removal of documents.
They refused to assist with Trump’s records. Which means they forced Trump and his staff to do it themselves without NARA oversight.
They then put in the documents argument that Trump had removed things without their knowledge or agreement. A situation THEY set up. That’s the complaint that kickstarted the whole issue and has now been inflated by Democrats into an Espionage case.
Newsmax and former Trump lawyers outlined all this.
This means the entire thing they have now made an indictment was set up, by them, as an entrapment criminalising the totally standard removal of declassified documents by a departing President. They refused a standard duty, forcing a minor deviation in process that would go completely unnoticed without malign intent to use it, then used the deviation as a cause of complaint.
This is worse than what I said earlier about Trump communicating with them and doing everything by the book which he did within the bounds of what they made possible or impossible. They actually BLOCKED him from following usual procedure right at the start to CREATE the case they then inflated into a much more serious case.
Like the steal itself, this was all planned and coordinated long in advance, and the evidence that it was itself a criminal conspiracy is public. They removed him from office illegally, they reversed an election result illegally, and they illegally conspired by dereliction of standard duties to set up a means of imprisoning him later should they need to.
It’s like using your car to force a driver into a bus lane and then using a driving in a bus lane offence that normally results in a small fine to charge him with vehicular homicide with a 20 year prison sentence after nobody was hurt and he’d corrected the course as soon as he was allowed to.
But other Republicans still want to go on with the charade, the absolute joke, of their own bids for the White House and their craven, dishonest, shameful pretence that it’s trouble that only applies to Trump and that otherwise the system can be trusted."
Thanks Daniel Jupp!
"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) normally oversees the removal of documents.
They refused to assist with Trump’s records. Which means they forced Trump and his staff to do it themselves without NARA oversight.
They then put in the documents argument that Trump had removed things without their knowledge or agreement. A situation THEY set up. That’s the complaint that kickstarted the whole issue and has now been inflated by Democrats into an Espionage case.
Newsmax and former Trump lawyers outlined all this.
This means the entire thing they have now made an indictment was set up, by them, as an entrapment criminalising the totally standard removal of declassified documents by a departing President. They refused a standard duty, forcing a minor deviation in process that would go completely unnoticed without malign intent to use it, then used the deviation as a cause of complaint.
This is worse than what I said earlier about Trump communicating with them and doing everything by the book which he did within the bounds of what they made possible or impossible. They actually BLOCKED him from following usual procedure right at the start to CREATE the case they then inflated into a much more serious case.
Like the steal itself, this was all planned and coordinated long in advance, and the evidence that it was itself a criminal conspiracy is public. They removed him from office illegally, they reversed an election result illegally, and they illegally conspired by dereliction of standard duties to set up a means of imprisoning him later should they need to.
It’s like using your car to force a driver into a bus lane and then using a driving in a bus lane offence that normally results in a small fine to charge him with vehicular homicide with a 20 year prison sentence after nobody was hurt and he’d corrected the course as soon as he was allowed to.
But other Republicans still want to go on with the charade, the absolute joke, of their own bids for the White House and their craven, dishonest, shameful pretence that it’s trouble that only applies to Trump and that otherwise the system can be trusted."
Thanks Daniel Jupp!
So you're saying Trump committed extortion against Ukraine when he held up aid for months because the President of Ukraine refused to provide Trump with campaign assistance and give a speech supporting him? Interesting.
spat
.950 JDJ
Except Trump never did anything like that.
Trump *talked* about *maybe* holding up aid (which, as POTUS, is his purvue) but all the aid in question was delivered as scheduled.
Now, Biden is the one who bragged on national TV about doing that *as VP*. There is question about whether he was doing it on orders from POTUS, or on his own. If the latter, it is absolutely illegal.
POTUS is the head of state in the US. While it is illegal for an individual to extort a foreign government, it is not for the US as a whole to do so. In fact, that is basically business as usual.
So, then the question becomes, were these incidents official US foreign policy, or were they acts by individual US officials for personal reasons.
The difference is that as head of state, POTUS is the sole determiner of what is official US foreign policy. VPOTUS is not.
A very interesting development might be if Biden were prosecuted for his incident, and he called Obama as a witness to swear that it was under orders from POTUS. That might actually be a valid defense.
Obviously Trump would not need to call himself to swear that he ordered it.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
The prosecutor of this case , Jack Smith, is one of two Federal Prosecutors that I know of who have had convictions overturned unanimously by the US Supreme Court for charging people with actions that were not crimes. Also you cannot obstruct criminal investigations into actions that are not crimes.
The other is Andrew Weisman, head honcho for the Mueller Investigation.
The lawyer that argued before the Supreme Court against Weissman was Sidney Powell.
The other is Andrew Weisman, head honcho for the Mueller Investigation.
The lawyer that argued before the Supreme Court against Weissman was Sidney Powell.
DoOver
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Jeepers how 'bout "...we have the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization..."
Sounds like you're saying president of the United States has the authority to do whatever he wants or even kill whoever he wants, and his defense will be he had the right to do it as Commander in Chief.
"If the President does it, its not illegal" -Richard Nixon
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
DoOver
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sounds like you're saying a sitting Senator can rape his subordinates with impunity or even his own 11 year old daughter...blah blah blah?
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
Yes, that’s pretty much the way it goes.
Nixon didn’t cover up the break in to Democratic HQ under his scope of authority as CinC. Maybe he could have now that we know how actually traitorous the Democrats were, and are, now.
Bruce_Sloane
.223 Rem
Robin !!
How' s You and Maggie been ??
Smudgie says hello.
How' s You and Maggie been ??
Smudgie says hello.
spat
.950 JDJ
The president is the head of the executive branch of the government.
He can't do whatever he wants, but there *are* things he can do that nobody else can legally.
Technically everything anyone in the executive branch does they do as authority delegated from him.
So, *if* the US government can do it legally, he can do it. Anyone else would have to go through proper channels for approval. But POTUS *is* the top of all the channels.
That's why Biden as VPOTUS could have only legally done what he did if he was acting under authority delegated from Obama. If he was doing it on his own, it's illegal.
Now, obviously it's legal for the US government to attach all sorts of strings to aid. That's really the only reason they offer it to begin with. But, those strings are only legal when they are official US government policy, and not legal if they are part of some personal "cut my son's company some slack" bullshit.
POTUS ,as head of state, is unique in that policy is what he says it is. Do you disagree with that ?
Bruce_Sloane
.223 Rem
Robin !!
How's You and Maggie been ??
Smudgie says hello.
How's You and Maggie been ??
Smudgie says hello.
Bruce_Sloane
.223 Rem
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Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
read Spats post #126
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Bruce_Sloane
.223 Rem
That was ...evilm..
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What a week!
On Thursday, proof that Joe Biden sold out this country was shown to Republicans in Congress.
Later that day, Donald Trump was indicted on federal charges.
Yesterday, he went out and played golf.
Cool as a cucumber.
You may be asking yourself, how can someone who is facing so much political and potentially criminal pressure just smack his balls around a golf course without seemingly a care in the world? Well, there are several reasons actually:
What Joe Biden has created with his unrivaled corruption a vast political divide where the party in power gets all the power and the party out of power gets nothing.
If democrats hold the White House, democrats are safe from persecution and prosecution. Not just elected officials, but all of them.
Hunter Biden, Eric Swalwell, Antifa, shoplifters in New York, drug users in San Francisco. Nobody on the left is ever held accountable for their actions.
Instead, the "Justice" Department goes after republicans, calling them "White Supremacist Extremists" and falsely claiming that White Supremacy is the greatest threat we face as a nation.
The only way to stop this one-sided political retribution is to win elections. If Republicans are in office, republicans are safe. If they aren't, then they aren't.
Not the country we thought we lived in, but the reality of where we find ourselves today.
Trump coming back to power doesn't just free him, it free's us all.
And the four years that follow...could be the best four years this country has every experienced.
Just like it says on the back of my new "TRUMPINATOR" Bobblehead, "He'll be back!" It's imperative that we do whatever we can to make sure that happens.
More on that tomorrow...
On Thursday, proof that Joe Biden sold out this country was shown to Republicans in Congress.
Later that day, Donald Trump was indicted on federal charges.
Yesterday, he went out and played golf.
Cool as a cucumber.
You may be asking yourself, how can someone who is facing so much political and potentially criminal pressure just smack his balls around a golf course without seemingly a care in the world? Well, there are several reasons actually:
- Trump is being indicted in Florida not Washington DC. That's a plus for any non-lib who wants a fair trial.
- The judge on the case is a conservative appointed by Trump. She doesn't put up with left-wing BS.
- The charges are basically bogus and should be thrown out. (Everyone knows this.)
- By the time this reaches the Supreme Court, Trump could be back in office...and probably will be.
What Joe Biden has created with his unrivaled corruption a vast political divide where the party in power gets all the power and the party out of power gets nothing.
If democrats hold the White House, democrats are safe from persecution and prosecution. Not just elected officials, but all of them.
Hunter Biden, Eric Swalwell, Antifa, shoplifters in New York, drug users in San Francisco. Nobody on the left is ever held accountable for their actions.
Instead, the "Justice" Department goes after republicans, calling them "White Supremacist Extremists" and falsely claiming that White Supremacy is the greatest threat we face as a nation.
The only way to stop this one-sided political retribution is to win elections. If Republicans are in office, republicans are safe. If they aren't, then they aren't.
Not the country we thought we lived in, but the reality of where we find ourselves today.
Trump coming back to power doesn't just free him, it free's us all.
And the four years that follow...could be the best four years this country has every experienced.
Just like it says on the back of my new "TRUMPINATOR" Bobblehead, "He'll be back!" It's imperative that we do whatever we can to make sure that happens.
More on that tomorrow...
ManualF150
.308 Win
I sure hope Trump gets back in.
This country is in big need of Trump.
This country is in big need of Trump.
Rep. Andy Biggs says Biden needs to be impeached, indicted and possibly charged with treason
Things are heating up!
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Things are heating up!
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Kash Patel discusses the DJT indictment.
He explains why President Trump is covered under the Presidential Records Act & the fact that the Espionage Act does not supersede the Presidential Records Act.
Basically the whole indictment is bogus
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He explains why President Trump is covered under the Presidential Records Act & the fact that the Espionage Act does not supersede the Presidential Records Act.
Basically the whole indictment is bogus
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For all those with hope of Trump being 47, you are forgetting we have not fixed the election fraud yet and probably won't in time for the 2024 election.
So be repaired for Trump to go to prison and us to become slaves as agenda 2030 is in full swing.
So be repaired for Trump to go to prison and us to become slaves as agenda 2030 is in full swing.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
didn't VP Biden fly to Ukraine to help his son out and get a prosecutor fired .. i don't think that is legal ..
or did Obama give him permission to go
or did Obama give him permission to go