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Veteran Faces a Possible 21 Year Sentence for Magazine Possession
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Not really the "pure" safe act case because the mag limits were in place before safe- except pre ban mags.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Yeah but now even preban mags are illegal if they are 10 rounds or higher.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
This is horrible news - NY is becoming way too fascist. Is it possible for them to give him a suspended sentence and just drop the whole thing? Because it's beyond ludicrous. Actually this is why I put away my Ruger SR45 and am using my old Colt Officer as my carry. Colt is only a 7 round magazine. If we write to idiots like Schumer on his website asking him to speak to the judge before sentencing, would that help?
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I wrote Cuomo on his website, and spammed the link to this article on every news feed Cuomo has done on Facebook in the past few months asking all Facebook readers to look at the article and contact Cuomo. Not sure it will help, but if enough Veterans let Cuomo know we are offended, maybe it will help him consider a pardon.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
The article says he was not drinking. Honestly, it's stuff like this that made me decide to do that gun insurance. I have both USCCA Platinum and NRA CarryGuard (and am an NRA Life Member). Articles like that really offend me. Founding Fathers never wanted these fascist laws like SAFE Act.
@thewheels
.308 Win
Were these actually pre ban mags though? The article obviously doesn't mention either way.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
The mags must be older mags. I had a Glock 17 back in the late 80's and I think the magazines held about 15+ rounds. I wonder why he didn't just get modern 10 round mags when all that SAFE Act crap came rolling around? There are some profoundly wrong things about the SAFE Act - someone needs to fix those. What we need is a Republican Governor and Republican State Senators; and they should fix SAFE Act, permanently ban fracking, cease this bullshit about NY being a safe harbor for illegal aliens, consider kicking the UN out of NYC, lower taxes, stop funding entitlements to healthy people of working age, crack down on crime and drugs in NYC, clean up the beaches, fix the roads and bridges, etc.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
The mags weren't necessarily old ones. They could have been brand new. But I do agree that NY is fucked up in soooo many ways. That's why I got the hell out of there!
@thewheels
.308 Win
Edit: NM
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I can't bail. My parents, kids, and friends all live in the tri-state area. I tried 11 years in GA and hated the heat, the racial issues, the traffic, the crime, and the overall lack of educated people. And candidly, the deals you get in Central NY on farms for sale cannot be matched elsewhere. A 5 BR house with barns on 200 acres is $250K in NY. It's many times that cost in most other states. There are some states in the middle of nowhere that probably aren't horrible (like Wyoming, etc) but here in Central NY we can make places like Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and Einstein School of Medicine in 4 hours. Wyoming doesn't offer that quality of medical care or cultural activities (or even access to good airports). NY has so many positives; but the offset is that stupid SAFE Act and the high taxes that are used to carry NYC.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Mags loaded with more then 10 is a felony charge.
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@thewheels
.308 Win
I'd like to know how they proved whether they were preban or not.
Different charges would be in order if they were.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If he was a super citizen none of this would have happened. NONE of it!
Robin
Robin
Not trying to sound like a dick, but if he followed the law, none of this would have happened!
If law makers followed the constitution it wouldn't have happened either.
Absolutely, and you know I agree with this.
If some decides to go against a certain law, they need to understand that there may be consequences to their actions.
There are many laws that I do not agree with, there are some, I am sure, that I do not follow. I understand the ramifications to my choices.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Then you should have to obey the same law.
Robin
I follow the law as it is written. I do not agree with the writing of the current laws, But I will not carry less than what the law allows just to appease others.
What should have happened was more citizens should have gotten off their asses and fought this and many other politicians and the laws they wrote.
Crying over spilled milk does nothing! Fighting over the choices that others make is also stupid. I concern syself with me and that is all. I do not care about this guy or the choices that he made.
HIghlander
.223 Rem
So he now has a lifetime ban on owning any type of firearm correct?
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well, I feel pretty much the same way, except the crying over spilt milk. I am still outraged and will never quit in the fight to restore the rights that have been unlawfully taken from us. There is some mitigation due to the slothful citizenry, but the fault lies squarely with the politicians that enacted these illegal laws illegally. FUAC! along with every senator and assemblyman that voted it in.
You enjoy a status that most of us don't share, when was the last time you have received even a traffic ticket. Look, I have family in law enforcement, I know how it works. Hell, years ago a friend of mine was a part time deputy and got reamed out by the Sheriff for giving a ticket to a police officer from a district forty miles away.
Nothing personal here GOP, just maybe you don't really know, your ox hasn't been gored yet.
Robin
You enjoy a status that most of us don't share, when was the last time you have received even a traffic ticket. Look, I have family in law enforcement, I know how it works. Hell, years ago a friend of mine was a part time deputy and got reamed out by the Sheriff for giving a ticket to a police officer from a district forty miles away.
Nothing personal here GOP, just maybe you don't really know, your ox hasn't been gored yet.
Robin
Robin, I get it. I see it more often than most will ever know. My issue will always be with the Law Makers and the Citizens who allow them to get away with what they do.
BTW, been a long time since I received a ticket!
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes.
Robin
BTW, I do not care that he is a vet, jail is full of vets.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I agree with @GOPerfect about following the law. Now hear me out. It's one thing to not do so behind closed doors. IE AR and magazines hidden away.
It's another thing to not do so out in public. Most people here with half a noggen aren't going to commit crimes in front of a cop whether unconstitutional or not if they value their freedom.
To do so is stupid if you don't want the enemy to capture you. Bury your shit for a rainy day when the time is right. Willingly putting yourself in the enemy's hands for capture is not fighting at all.
It's another thing to not do so out in public. Most people here with half a noggen aren't going to commit crimes in front of a cop whether unconstitutional or not if they value their freedom.
To do so is stupid if you don't want the enemy to capture you. Bury your shit for a rainy day when the time is right. Willingly putting yourself in the enemy's hands for capture is not fighting at all.
That is where adhering to the only break one law at a time philosophy would have helped him out a bit.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
There was no crime commited. You can all continue to argue "probable cause" and whether or if the magazines where pre ban or not. I'll stick with the basics the ones the framers had in mind when they wrote the constitution.
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For those who seem confused on what an actual crime is.
"Criminal intent is a necessary component of a "conventional" crime and involves a conscious decision on the part of one party to injure or deprive another."
What is CRIMINAL INTENT? definition of CRIMINAL INTENT (Black's Law Dictionary)
For those who seem confused on what an actual crime is.
"Criminal intent is a necessary component of a "conventional" crime and involves a conscious decision on the part of one party to injure or deprive another."
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