Wanna Shoot Like John Wick?

[Edwardteach72]

Let's look at more evidence that Will just cant come to grips with his lack of skill or knowledge.

Claims red dots on pistols arent useful because you may end up in a compromising position and not see the dot (but some how is ignorant enough to believe in that same situation he would have his irons on target) but is now all googoogaaga over CAR w

 

[Marine Cpl]

And I understand why you dont want to go seek any formal training. Learned how to shoot a rifle what 15 years ago and so you know everything.

Prove me wrong I'd love for you to calls any actuall reputable instructor (I listed a few) and ask to be taught CAR. Remember your the one who calls instructors snake oil salesmen and internet commandos.. then watch john wick and think that Hollywood gunfoo is a legit thing.

Again you have this really bad ego that prevents you from actually taking a class because we both know you would be disappointed on your performance. Pretending that bit of training you got in the army/marines is actually still useful when you havent done shit since

And what do you think introducing things like this in the OP is? Do you think when I joined the National Guard in 2009 that I refused to learn and pick up pointers from others there? The Marines and the Army have different ways of doing things within themselves. Swat cops also have different ways of doing things. My infantry unit of weekend warriors had a bunch of swat cops in it. We learned some of their techniques and applied it to our training and the First Sergeant allowed it and learned as well despite his background as a Ranger.

Once you have a foundation, you can learn different things and apply it to what works for you.

A prime example. You can go to 10 different civilian classes around the country and they will teach you 10 different things. It’s up to you to grasp and use what works for you.

 

[GOPerfect]

So you dont actually train...

not talking out my ass but any day that you want to try to shoot against me I will win.

I do not need some "professional to tell me how to shoot a gun.

 

[Edwardteach72]

And what do you think introducing things like this in the OP is? Do you think when I joined the National Guard in 2009 that I refused to learn and pick up pointers from others there? The Marines and the Army have different ways of doing things within themselves. Swat cops also have different ways of doing things. My infantry unit of weekend warriors had a bunch of swat cops in it. We learned some of their techniques and applied it to our training and the First Sergeant allowed it and learned as well despite his background as a Ranger.

Once you have a foundation, you can learn different things and apply it to what works for you.

A prime example. You can go to 10 different civilian classes around the country and they will teach you 10 different things. It’s up to you to grasp and use what works for you.

Ok fine you want to learn this stupid ass C.A.R. cool go for it.. how about you actually lean it correctly and take a class in the shooting style.

Please post up who the instructor is and where the class is and how the class went.

Put up or shut up maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ here is a little bit of information I bet you wont find any instructors teaching this nonsense..

Like I posted in the other thread this stupid ass thing was created in (1994? iirc) by an LAPD Swat officer.. guess who adopted it... well it wasn't LAPD swat, or any actual department for that matter... but Hollywood did because it looks cool even though its useless

 

[Edwardteach72]

not talking out my ass but any day that you want to try to shoot against me I will win.

I do not need some "professional to tell me how to shoot a gun.

Oh I said I was a great shooter?? Weird can you link or quote that?

Doesnt negate the fact that what you are doing is NOT training.. you maybe practicing (maybe getting real had "training scars") but you are not training, and if you are going to get emotional defensive and not see the difference, well that's on you

 

[GOPerfect]

Oh I said I was a great shooter?? Weird can you link or quote that?

Doesnt negate the fact that what you are doing is NOT training.. you maybe practicing (maybe getting real had "training scars") but you are not training, and if you are going to get emotional defensive and not see the difference, well that's on you

I should not have assumed. I just figured with all this training that you go to you the awesome.

Maybe you just need more training

 

[Edwardteach72]

I should not have assumed. I just figured with all this training that you go to you the awesome.

Maybe you just need more training

I do need more training, I've always said that?

Unlike many on here I don't believe I am proficient and pretend some training I got years ago is still valid and engrained in my "muscle memory"

Sorry some of us actually strive to be better

 

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[Jem45472]

To get back on topic, I'm not one to believe there is a single best way of doing things. I realize this in an older, obscure style, and I definitely did not look into it after jerking off to John Wick. I originally thought it looked ridiculous. My point is this may have some merit while being used with a dot.

 

[Edwardteach72]

To get back on topic, I'm not one to believe there is a single best way of doing things. I realize this in an older, obscure style, and I definitely did not look into it after jerking off to John Wick. I originally thought it looked ridiculous. My point is this may have some merit while being used with a dot.

Did you message onsight? See when they offer a CAR class? Maybe check with @Bullcreek_Strategic. Maybe sig academy is teaching this or this with red dots. Maybe even gunsight or Clint over the ranch?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Edward your lack of training demonstrates that you do not know what you are talking about and it’s pretty obvious. For one, you can go to Suarez International, take a class, then go over to Taran and certain things will be taught different. Then you can get hired by your local sheriff’s office, become part of a tac team, and learn something entirely different. The fact that you do not know that and think that all these organizations teach the same thing is telling. Only a person who has no foundation thinks like that.

And secondly, red dots or my lack of use of them has nothing to do with anything. I’m not going to put a red dot on a Ruger LCP for deep concealment or on a Sig P365 that I plan on getting in the future for regular carry to replace my Glock 26. When I asked questions about it and you others gave answers to those questions, if you notice, one I liked those posts, and two, I acknowledged what was said. I would screenshot that but it isn’t necessary.

What is going on here is that you came in here with your snarky comments and it backfired on you. Now you are in attack mode at an attempt to save face. It’s pretty obvious. I’m willing to bet that either myself or GP have more actual hours training if you count half of the actual hours then whatever 2 or 3 classes you may have taken in your life where they taught you how to shoot from behind a piece of plywood or a blue barrel. I’m willing to bet that you never trained as part of a stack in a mock village going house to house or in a patrol deep in the woods with a fire team.

Make no mistake. These classes are good. Damned good. One can learn a lot from these classes. Myself included. But if you think that these classes have all the tools you need or that they all teach the exact same way on some method, you are mistaken. Based on what you are saying, taking a few of these classes can make you become a proficient member of a Seal team, Delta team, Swat team, Marine or Army infantry or MP patrol. That is clearly not the case.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Edward your lack of training demonstrates that you do not know what you are talking about and it’s pretty obvious. For one, you can go to Suarez International, take a class, then go over to Taran and certain things will be taught different. Then you can get hired by your local sheriff’s office, become part of a tac team, and learn something entirely different. The fact that you do not know that and think that all these organizations teach the same thing is telling. Only a person who has no foundation thinks like that.

And secondly, red dots or my lack of use of them has nothing to do with anything. I’m not going to put a red dot on a Ruger LCP for deep concealment or on a Sig P365 that I plan on getting in the future for regular carry to replace my Glock 26. When I asked questions about it and you others gave answers to those questions, if you notice, one I liked those posts, and two, I acknowledged what was said. I would screenshot that but it isn’t necessary.

What is going on here is that you came in here with your snarky comments and it backfired on you. Now you are in attack mode at an attempt to save face. It’s pretty obvious. I’m willing to bet that either myself or GP have more actual hours training if you count half of the actual hours then whatever 2 or 3 classes you may have taken in your life where they taught you how to shoot from behind a piece of plywood or a blue barrel. I’m willing to bet that you never trained as part of a stack in a mock village going house to house or in a patrol deep in the woods with a fire team.

Make no mistake. These classes are good. Damned good. One can learn a lot from these classes. Myself included. But if you think that these classes have all the tools you need or that they all teach the exact same way on some method, you are mistaken. Based on what you are saying, taking a few of these classes can make you become a proficient member of a Seal team, Delta team, Swat team, Marine or Army infantry or MP patrol. That is clearly not the case.

And your basic ass enlistment didnt make you the firearms expert you believe yourself to be

 

[Edwardteach72]

Backfires on me? Your the one thinking CAR is something that has validity because you saw john wick use it. Lmfao..

Again call up a reputable instructor and ask them to teach you this shit? Oh wait you were a marine do you don't need an instructor to teach you something you dont know you'll just teach yourself.

Hahaha suarez international yea ok bud.

But please contact some local training places to you. I mention onsight who I believe offers handgun classes near you, and sig academy isnt that far? The fact no one reputable is teaching this nonsense should tell you something but instead nope you saw john wick and those CGI headshots look so cool and useful

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

So you dont actually train...

 

[Marine Cpl]

And your basic ass enlistment didnt make you the firearms expert you believe yourself to be

I’m not claiming to be an expert. On the contrary, I found this and am trying it for shooting at 2 ft or in a vehicle. I’m asking what people think of it and asking if anyone has ever used it. That clearly isn’t behavior from an expert.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I’m not claiming to be an expert. On the contrary, I found this and am trying it for shooting at 2 ft or in a vehicle. I’m asking what people think of it and asking if anyone has ever used it. That clearly isn’t behavior from an expert.

Why not find an expert to teach you it then?

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

You know who's a big supporter of the C.A.R. technique? Voda / Lucien Black. That should pretty much say it all.

 

[Edwardteach72]

You know who's a big supporter of the C.A.R. technique? Voda / Lucien Black. That should pretty much say it all.
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I was going to point that out but I didnt think Marine was ready for that level of expert training

 

[Edwardteach72]

You know who's a big supporter of the C.A.R. technique? Voda / Lucien Black. That should pretty much say it all.
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I didnt think he was ready for the EDA/ECK(tm) skill set

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

"ETA/DIK" you mean.

 

[Robin]

No, no I don't. I want to use real ammo and do it right the first time, there are no second takes in the real world.
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

Why not find an expert to teach you it then?

One I do not have the time and two, I do not have the funds. There are other priorities in my life that have taken up both.

When my other priorities are taken cared of I may. Or I may not and just concentrate on speed while maintaining accuracy on my micro carry pistols which are the ones I’m actually going to carry anyway.

Anyway, say or think what you want. Your opinions only affect yourself. If you feel the need or have the time to shoot from behind plywood or blue barrels at steel targets, great! That’s excellent. It’s certainly better than doing nothing.

 

[togmaster]

You know who's a big supporter of the C.A.R. technique? Voda / Lucien Black. That should pretty much say it all.
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Wait what? I thought you were bringing him in as a guest instructor this summer?

 

[OnSight Firearms Training]

Sure if you want. Meet us at the range, get started before us, we'll be there shortly.

 

[kev74]

You guys crack me up

A couple of semi-serious questions though.

1- What's with the funny thumb triangle? If this is intended for extreme close quarters, wouldn't grip and weapons retention be A priority? You've got to be loosing 30%+ of your grip strength by not using your thumbs.

2- The guy in the first video said using the weak hand side eye to aim gave him better ability to see the target and the periphery. I have a hard time visualizing how blocking one of your eyes with your hands and the grip of the pistol gives better visual that the weak eye unobstructed and the strong eye looking over the sights.

3- All these guys are orienting their shots toward a bad guy in front or on the weak hand side. What do you do if the bad guy comes from the strong hand side?

I hate to see you guys squabble like this. How about I say something nice about Wayne LaPierre and NRA so you fellas can argue on the same side again?

 

[Marine Cpl]

You guys crack me up

A couple of semi-serious questions though.

1- What's with the funny thumb triangle? If this is intended for extreme close quarters, wouldn't grip and weapons retention be A priority? You've got to be loosing 30%+ of your grip strength by not using your thumbs.

2- The guy in the first video said using the weak hand side eye to aim gave him better ability to see the target and the periphery. I have a hard time visualizing how blocking one of your eyes with your hands and the grip of the pistol gives better visual that the weak eye unobstructed and the strong eye looking over the sights.

3- All these guys are orienting their shots toward a bad guy in front or on the weak hand side. What do you do if the bad guy comes from the strong hand side?

I hate to see you guys squabble like this. How about I say something nice about Wayne LaPierre and NRA so you fellas can argue on the same side again?

I believe in the first video, most of those questions are covered. The thumb triangle is because the gun is so close to your body. Try it. It’s hard to do with both thumbs forward. And because of the thumb position and not being locked in, it’s easy to transition to your weak side.

When I first saw it, I had the same questions. But after trying it around the house switching from weak side to strong side depending on what corner I was slicing the pie on, I understood. It’s also really easy to transition to the regular isosceles stance for when entering a room.

 

[Jem45472]

I don't like isosceles. It's very uncomfortable for me. I feel off balance, which could probably be rectified with enough training, but I also have a support side shoulder injury. I don't like my left arm fully extended, so that will probably never be my primary stance. (Not to mention I personally don't think it's the best stance in a real world defensive scenario where your attacker is close to right on top of you) I'm ok with Weaver, but am willing to give this a try. I couldn't do it lining up with my left eye, but as I said earlier, using my right eye with a dot was very fast. It also keeps my left arm close, and low. Very comfortable for me. Only problem I see with it so far is having to transition to a threat on strong side, but as mentioned, it's a quick transition.

Notice the left arm position. This is extremely comfortable for me as I have issues extending my left arm all the way out at shoulder height.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The same goes with rifles. All the experts nowadays will tell you to extend your arm. That doesn’t work for all situations. Try doing that on an extended patrol in the bush where you take a knee and have to stay there when a halt is given. Try doing that after the 3rd cleared room. The mag well hold that everyone says is wrong is what you will end up doing.

And while sitting in a car try extending your arm out to engage a threat at your window. You will end up doing it one handed with no support or recoil management.

 

[Jem45472]

The same goes with rifles. All the experts nowadays will tell you to extend your arm. That doesn’t work for all situations. Try doing that on an extended patrol in the bush where you take a knee and have to stay there when a halt is given. Try doing that after the 3rd cleared room. The mag well hold that everyone says is wrong is what you will end up doing.

And while sitting in a car try extending your arm out to engage a threat at your window. You will end up doing it one handed with no support or recoil management.

Same situation for me. That's why I no longer hunt and have ar pistol. Extending my arm is painful, I to will use a magwell grip.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Anybody try this yet with a red dot? If so, was the dot easier or harder to pick up at such a close distance to your face?