Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s not the license but what you have to do to get it. Many who are pro-2A want more scrutiny on voter registration.
What about the Semi-auto rifle license?
- Thread starter CaliberPlus
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I agree, minus the BGC part.
subsonic
.44 mag
Buy them now.
No you will not, unless you moved. There will be no way to legally receive a new semiauto rifle without a permit as a NYS resident with this law in effect. Under federal law, all transfers to a nonresident must go through an FFL, and an out of state FFL can only directly transfer rifles or shotguns to a nonresident customer that are legal to possess in their home state. You would have to show a semiauto permit to buy one legally out of state; likely shops will simply refuse to sell them to New York residents without shipping to a New York FFL. ATF and New York WILL stomp out shops that ignore this.
The only way to legally get new semi autos without the permit may likely be to convert a bolt action (which might technically have to be done personally and out of state) or to build and serialize an 80% out of state (which would definitely have to be done outside New York).
I don't think you're correct on this one...
The permit is to purchase, not to own. It would only apply to purchases made within the State. You could go to any other State and purchase any long gun that is compliant with NY's laws, just like you can now.
I don't think the scheme is going to make it very far before it's tossed out in court anyway. I wouldn't worry about it too much. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't care at all, we all need to put some effort and $$ into fighting it, but as far as implementation of the scheme goes, I don't think it will get very far.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I'm thinking the same as you. I think a lot of us are being impatient with what is going on with the overstepping.
Just like some of us that thought the Bruen SCOTUS case was going to be a miserable flop and it turned out positive.
There is a good chance that all of this is going to get thrown out and FUKH is going to be kicking and screaming in the end or she'll end up in the "I tried..." and leave it well enough alone to move onto something else.
Let's let the lawsuits and discussions continue and see where cards fall and go from there.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
Hochulsucks1234
.357 mag
Yes, yes I will. I go and buy a 10-22 in PA (from a friend privately, which isnt illegal), I bring it back to NY how will they know it was bought before the law went into affect? They wont.
Parzival
.44 mag
You can only have one drivers license but you can have as many non-driver ID’s as you want….just saying.
As someone with homes in two states, been thinking about this. Drivers license in FL and NYS non driver id. I can’t be the only one considering this.
Actually, that IS illegal. Firearms transactions across State lines must go through a FFL. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is illegal.
Hochulsucks1234
.357 mag
Sure it is illegal, so is transporting certain fireworks across state lines. If you have a perfectly legal firearm (aka not AR-15) and you get pulled over, you can simply tell the police you brought it with you to PA and are returning home with it. Is that illegal? Gets a little tiring trying to be a good boy and abide by their 10,000 gun laws
subsonic
.44 mag
Well, you're posting in a public forum that you intend to break federal law, for which ignorance is no excuse, because you are wrong that this is not illegal. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I'm saying you're wrong and people have gone to prison when that has gone sideways. Gun transfers between different state residents must go through an FFL under federal law, even between immediate family members, and courts have ruled that is permitted under federal gov's power to regulate interstate commerce. This is why, for instance, at a gun show to be compliant in a state that allows private sales you still have to ask for proof of residence if you are selling to a stranger to avoid breaking federal law. It doesn't matter that the transfer happens in a state where it is legal between residents. If one party is an out of state resident the gun must go through an FFL under federal law. And if they go through an FFL, they will deny the transfer to a New York resident without a permit, if it's not overturned.
repete
.338 Win Mag
I don't know about other people's experience buying out of state, but I had several gun shops refuse sales to me even after telling them I wanted the gun shipped to an FFL. And that was all 'traditional style' blue and wood guns, I got the impression many didn't want to deal with NY laws.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
I referenced the bill number. Signed into law June 6th. Needs to go away as it is a registry and almost as bad as the handgun legislation. Then there is the crap that gun dealers have to do starting in December. Again, not good.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
You can have more than one driver’s license. You just can’t have more than one in your possession. If you spend six months in FL then the other six months in NY. You will need two driver’s licenses.
clarence
22lr
Doing that requires time & abilities that not everyone possess, but EVERY NY gun-owner can support NYSRPA with their check-book. If there's any hope of resisting the anti-gun jehad of NY's Gun-Hater-In-Chief, the job will fall to NYSRPA.
clarence
22lr
They're FAHs, because they don't have "to deal with NY laws," excepting those applying to "assault rifles." I often see that refusal in Gunbroker listings, & when I've asked "why?", their answer is no response.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
You dont need a license to drive .. just need one to be legal 
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
pin the mag to 0ne round and now its a single shot .. 
You cannot have more than one drivers license. That is federal law and states check to see if you have a license in another state before issuing a drivers license. Additionally you can have only one Real ID document. That said it seems there is no law stopping someone from having one drivers license and multiple non driver id’s
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
so your birth certificate is your only real ID .. all the others are then illegal
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Tell the snow birds that -lol
But you are right— real ID act of 2005
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Parzival
.44 mag
The National Driver Register makes it impossible to have more than one drivers license. All 50 states now have laws against it.
Federal law says you can only have 1 real ID document.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Yep. But NYS driver’s licenses come in three different levels. A basic license doesn’t meet the REAL ID standard because NYS gives them to illegal immigrants. I don’t know if it’s legal to have one of those and an “ enhanced “ driver’s license from another state. I just know under NYS law you can’t be in possession of two different state driver’s licenses at the same time.But that’s just a ticket. New York could suspend your driver’s license in NY( even the FL one for the purposes of driving in NY). People do it because many states require you get that state’s license if you are in the state for more than 30 or 60 days and you wish to drive.
All that I know, the only way for this Rifle permit thing to work is to have the Police enforce it.
If the Police across the State refuse to ever enforce it, it would be dead in the water.
If the Police across the State refuse to ever enforce it, it would be dead in the water.
Police enforcement is one thing, the issue is that FFL's won't be able to sell a simple semi auto rifle to any one. That may be ok for those of us that have all the rifles we need or for those willing to purchase out of state but how about someone new to firearms?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Wrong. Most FUDDS will do private sales of their semi autos and not realize they are breaking this law . They know that . They are counting on FFLs and gun stores to follow the law so new rifles don’t enter NYS in any significant number except by the criminal element who would get them anyway.
which Federal Law?
Did something change? I thought it was ok to purchase a long-gun from a contiguous State.
I thought it was ok to travel with your firearms across State lines.
Do the Feds have a law saying you cannot purchase a gun in another state? Or transport it?
All firearms transfers across State lines must go through an FFL. The post he was responding to said that he was going to buy a rifle from his friend in Pennsylvania, via a private transaction. That is the illegal act.
As far as dealers in other States denying a NY resident a sale because he lacked the permission slip, I don't think they would deny it. They are under no obligation to follow that law. The permission slip is for purchasing, not posession. If the gun itself is legal in NY, ( not banned and SAFE compliant ) then the permission slip has no effect in another State. This would be very much like the restriction on purchasing body armor. Nothing preventing you from bringing it back from another State.
That's funny, I've bought literally dozens of firearms from different States witout any issues at all.