What about the Semi-auto rifle license?

[subsonic]

So the only way to acquire a long-gun from out of state is if it is through inheritance?

The only way to acquire a gun from out of state without going through an FFL is inheritance. Long guns you can get through an out-of-state FFL if the transaction is legal at home, others have to go through a home-state FFL. If your uncle or whatever dies out of state you can get the gun directly from the administrator or whatever without going through an FFL under federal law (there may be time limits for that and that varies by state too).

Another facet is that no one under 18 is suppsed to hunt or even posses a firearm. I am thinking that will rule out all school trap teams as most kids are under 18 , plus the blurb about sporting events being a "safe space". I am reading bill passed 7/2 quickly but this has been a topic of conversation and am trying to find the print version.

I read it that there's a supervised hunting exception and that it basically puts 16 and 17 year olds where 12 to 15 year olds are now in New York. Previously at 16 you could own/possess a long gun in any legal context, and you could hunt and shoot with supervision at 12. So while a 16 year old could run around with a rifle or shotgun before unsupervised now he has to be 18.

 

[Truebeliever]

Bill A10503 was signed June 6th, takes effect 90 days, 9/6/22. Still no word on what to do as there is no permit process available and won't be for some time.
ETA effective date is 9/4.



Counties do vary greatly but they all have a permit process for handguns. The fact we even have to think about a semi long gun just seems surreal.

I am back to being so angry am having a time being polite in writing about this mess. In one of the the other pieces of crap passed, semiauto shotguns were referenced. Even if they are not included at this point, they will be if this is left to stand, imho. Further, how does one prove he/she is "grandfathered"?? I am still not clear on the whole license thing and buying ammo. Buying ammo for an unlicensed rifle? Rmemeber, the lot # of the ammo and all the other info, caliber, amount and purchaser is all supposed to go in to the state database (their word).

You don’t have to prove you are grandfathered in. Not yet anyway. They have to prove you weren’t . At least in court. What proof? Take a picture of it with a time stamp.You would then have proof if you need it that is not in some database somewhere.

 

[CaliberPlus]

You don’t have to prove you are grandfathered in. Not yet anyway. They have to prove you weren’t . At least in court. What proof? Take a picture of it with a time stamp.You would then have proof if you need it that is not in some database somewhere.

I tend to believe the burden of proof is still innocent until proven guilty. The grandfather clause is just one more planned crap storm.

 

[Rap]

You don’t have to prove you are grandfathered in. Not yet anyway. They have to prove you weren’t . At least in court. What proof? Take a picture of it with a time stamp.You would then have proof if you need it that is not in some database somewhere.

Better yet, with a daily paper showing the date. Time stamps could be more readily manipulated...

 

[Truebeliever]

Better yet, with a daily paper showing the date. Time stamps could be more readily manipulated...

So can the newspaper. It just shows “ proof of life at least the day it was published or after. Not before . You could just take a picture with an old newspaper.

 

[Tisto]

So can the newspaper. It just shows “ proof of life at least the day it was published or after. Not before . You could just take a picture with an old newspaper.

Public notary.

 

[Truebeliever]

Public notary.

Yes, that’s an option. Or seal and mail a letter to yourself that you never open.
I think a time stamped photo that is uploaded to the cloud would be more than enough

 

[spat]

Semiwhat

CCW is not a separate conversation. Afer one has satisfied the requirements and one is not prevented due to criminal or psychological reasons one should be able to buy and then use the guns for self defense against a deadly threat.
Whats the point of buying guns if one cannot use them when most needed?

If you are free to walk in the door, and your cash is green you should be able to buy anything you want. Period.

If you find someone who can't be trusted with a gun, then you shouldn't be trusting them to walk around unsupervised.

 

[Truebeliever]

If you are free to walk in the door, and your cash is green you should be able to buy anything you want. Period.

If you find someone who can't be trusted with a gun, then you shouldn't be trusting them to walk around unsupervised.

Not exactly true. I let my kids go to the store unsupervised for a time. It’s the same with certain adults. I know people who are bipolar. They are fine while on medication but if they go off—-or they need an adjustment then it’s a problem. There is supervison and there is supervision. They just caught a robber with an ankle bracelet monitor on his leg when he did it.
Before the SCOTUS decision that says they are not to be committed unless they are an immediate danger to themselves or others, it wouldn’t be a problem. But they have to be released.
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to drive a car either.

 

[spat]

Not exactly true. I let my kids go to the store unsupervised for a time. It’s the same with certain adults. I know people who are bipolar. They are fine while on medication but if they go off—-or they need an adjustment then it’s a problem. There is supervison and there is supervision. They just caught a robber with an ankle bracelet monitor on his leg when he did it.
Before the SCOTUS decision that says they are not to be committed unless they are an immediate danger to themselves or others, it wouldn’t be a problem. But they have to be released.
Some people shouldn’t be allowed to drive a car either.

There is no law you can pass that will stop those people from getting a gun if they want one.

So you either accept that they can get them, or you don't allow them to run free.

No argument about how important it is can change either of those things.

 

[Truebeliever]

There is no law you can pass that will stop those people from getting a gun if they want one.

So you either accept that they can get them, or you don't allow them to run free.

No argument about how important it is can change either of those things.

Wow. We agree that people will get a gun legal or illegal if they really want them IF they aren’t discouraged in some manner.
Are you going to give/sell a gun to a prohibited person? Or risk it because it’s illegal if you didn’t know the person?
And if you know the person has a mental issue, even you might say no .

 

[spat]

Wow. We agree that people will get a gun legal or illegal if they really want them IF they aren’t discouraged in some manner.
Are you going to give/sell a gun to a prohibited person? Or risk it because it’s illegal if you didn’t know the person?
And if you know the person has a mental issue, even you might say no .

I wouldn't sell it to them, no. But I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that means it's hard for them to get.

Serious response, how hard is it to buy some cocaine ?

Sure, making it as illegal as possible has made it *slightly* harder to get. I can't just go pick some up at Walmart, but it's not like anyone who wants it can't get some anytime they want.

Prohibition is a useless policy. It does nothing to reduce supply or demand, and it creates organized crime.

It didn't work for alcohol, it's not working for drugs, and it wouldn't work for guns.

 

[redtail]

Meanwhile in Los Angeles California.

BREAKING: LAPD Stops Enforcement of California's 'High Capacity' Magazine Ban - The Truth About Guns

 

[Egret-II]

Meanwhile in Los Angeles California.

BREAKING: LAPD Stops Enforcement of California's 'High Capacity' Magazine Ban - The Truth About Guns

That's great. I'm waiting for NYPD to say the same thing now.

 

[Truebeliever]

That's great. I'm waiting for NYPD to say the same thing now.

I wouldn’t hold your breath for that one

 

[Egret-II]

I wouldn’t hold your breath for that one

LAPD is as crazy as NYPD. If they wont enforce high capacity magazine. I don't see why NYPD won't do the same thing. After all, they do have to follow the law. No?

 

[Dr. Evil]

LAPD is as crazy as NYPD. If they wont enforce high capacity magazine. I don't see why NYPD won't do the same thing. After all, they do have to follow the law. No?

No, they follow the Hochul.

 

[Acer-m14]

with the way the Governor and State is going .. only ones in NYS with a gun will be the criminals and mentality ill

all the rest of us will have to leave are guns home

 

[Rocpo]

LAPD is as crazy as NYPD. If they wont enforce high capacity magazine. I don't see why NYPD won't do the same thing. After all, they do have to follow the law. No?

Different circuit court.

 

[Truebeliever]

LAPD is as crazy as NYPD. If they wont enforce high capacity magazine. I don't see why NYPD won't do the same thing. After all, they do have to follow the law. No?

As Ropco said, different circuit . And different permit system. In CA, you don’t need a permit to have a gun. And most NYS permits aren’t good in NYC.
And the loophole in the LA directive, something about other ammo offenses?

 

[Acer-m14]

In CA, you don’t need a permit to have a gun

when did that happen ?

 

[Truebeliever]

when did that happen ?

You need a permit to carry. Other than that, the gun is registered but not a permit.

 

[Acer-m14]

"The State of California does not require a permit to purchase rifles, shotguns and handguns. All purchase of guns should be done from a California licensed gun dealer. When purchasing a gun, the purchaser should make an application to the licensed dealer. The application should contain a brief description of the purchaser and the purchaser’s right thumb impression. The application should also present a valid California identification card or driver’s license. If purchasing a handgun, additional proof of California residence is often required."

so you still need permission from your queen

 

[Egret-II]

Different circuit court.

Different courts alright. But don't they have to follow the same laws tho? Didn't NYSRPA vs Bruen got rid of all those unconstitutional laws? Now they ALL have to follow the Constitution. Isn't that how it works? I mean we won the case right? You've never seen a boxing match where one boxer knock out the opponent. And then he question himself: "did I win? Or maybe the referee will declared the defeated opponent the winner? What's gonna happen now?". Guys WE WON. Let's just support the people who are suing these tyrants and eventually the whole scam will fall apart.

 

[Grimscale]

But don't they have to follow the same laws tho?

The initial ruling in CA was remanded and sent back down. That means there is no court case for our district to throw out the NY crap.....yet.

Let's just support the people who are suing these tyrants and eventually these whole scam will fall apart.

Yes, but how much longer before it starts to fall? We know NY is going to try to drag this out ad infinitum. I'm tired of my Rights being infringed NOW. ANd I'm VERY sick and tired of these corrupt and tyrannical asshats being allowed to get away with it.

 

[Truebeliever]

There is no law you can pass that will stop those people from getting a gun if they want one.

So you either accept that they can get them, or you don't allow them to run free.

No argument about how important it is can change either of those things.

It depends on the person. My mother in law would have a hard time getting one for example. Or people who don’t move in the gun world or criminal circles. It would be like asking someone to get crack/cocaine. If you don’t move in those circles, it’s not easy. Why? Because if they don’t know you, they are ( at least were) afraid of getting caught. Criminals run in those circles. Crazy is in all types of circles and they might not have that friend to introduce them to that element.

But I am in general agreement that it shouldn’t cause a real hassle for people who should be able to have a gun ( most adult Americans).
Heck, even some of the real compromises in gun control can be considered like in those states that have CCW permits can opt out of the NICS requirement for those permit holders. That’s a compromise
Hey, laws against obcenity like child porn are a limitation on the freedom of the press. That’s a compromise of the 1st amendment.
We can agree on the 2nd admendment and disagree where those boundaries are.
But my comments more pertain to how I think the court is going to go rather than my personal beliefs .

 

[Truebeliever]

The initial ruling in CA was remanded and sent back down. That means there is no court case for our district to throw out the NY crap.....yet.


Yes, but how much longer before it starts to fall? We know NY is going to try to drag this out ad infinitum. I'm tired of my Rights being infringed NOW. ANd I'm VERY sick and tired of these corrupt and tyrannical asshats being allowed to get away with it.

Give it two months to get an indication of how it’s going to shake out.

 

[Grimscale]

Give it two months to get an indication of how it’s going to shake out.

In less than 2 months our Rights are further infringed, and we will be required to dance through expensive hoops just to "renew" something we should never have had to get in the first place.

 

[Truebeliever]

In less than 2 months our Rights are further infringed, and we will be required to dance through expensive hoops just to "renew" something we should never have had to get in the first place.

Just giving a dose of how it works and how I think it will go down. I don’t want to blow smoke up — you know the rest.
An injunction might come quicker but I’m not optimistic

 

[thegatman]

Update

https://www.monroecounty.gov/files/clerk/Restrictions%20Lifted%20Request.pdf