Who still has to renew their pistol permit

[Marine Cpl]

False positive. Unrelated. Your mortgage doesn't 'expire'. Besides, even with your mortgage it'll be due on the 1st with a grace period typically until the 15th or 16th before incurring late charges.

Ok. Forget about the mortgage since we want to use semantics. If your credit card or any other bill that didn't have a grace period was due on the 1st and you postmarked it on the 1st by the close of business, they would more than likely charge a late fee. Nowhere in the law does it say there's a grace period or that it has to be postmarked by a date.

Just saying for those that don't want to play games with their license.

 

[Phazer]

For those affected, the NYSP site for renewal is not usable for some of us:

This system does not process recertifications for New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County or Westchester County permits. If you currently have a New York City, Nassau County, Suffolk County or Westchester County permit, you must follow the requirements that are in place in your county, rather than use this recertification system.​

 

[masterswimmer]

Ok. Forget about the mortgage since we want to use semantics. If your credit card or any other bill that didn't have a grace period was due on the 1st and you postmarked it on the 1st by the close of business, they would more than likely charge a late fee. Nowhere in the law does it say there's a grace period or that it has to be postmarked by a date.

Just saying for those that don't want to play games with their license.

Again, you're not understanding the process. The state is saying you need to submit the recert by 1/31/18. No different than the state saying you have to submit your tax return by April 15th every year. Your tax return doesn't need to be processed by April 15th. Just submit by then. Millions of people submit their return on the last day at midnight without sending it via certified return receipt requested. No issues reported to my knowledge.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Again, you're not understanding the process. The state is saying you need to submit the recert by 1/31/18. No different than the state saying you have to submit your tax return by April 15th every year. Your tax return doesn't need to be processed by April 15th. Just submit by then. Millions of people submit their return on the last day at midnight without sending it via certified return receipt requested. No issues reported to my knowledge.

So is submitting to the US Post Office the same as submitting to the NYS Police?

 

[masterswimmer]

So is submitting to the US Post Office the same as submitting to the NYS Police?

Yes the postmark dates it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes the postmark dates it.

So if I postmark it at home on my home post office machine and hold it a few months, before actually putting it in a mailbox it's all good right?

 

[masterswimmer]

So if I postmark it at home on my home post office machine and hold it a few months, before actually putting it in a mailbox it's all good right?

You should definitely do that! I highly recommend you do it.

 

[masterswimmer]

So if I postmark it at home on my home post office machine and hold it a few months, before actually putting it in a mailbox it's all good right?

FYI, your postage machine doesn't cancel postage with a postmark. All your home machine does is affix postage. Again, not the same.

 

[Marine Cpl]

FYI, your postage machine doesn't cancel postage with a postmark. All your home machine does is affix postage. Again, not the same.

If I remember correctly, a postal machine affixes the date. The cancellation stamp isn't dated.

 

[fartgamer]

Playing with dates? What does it get you, some satisfaction that you “got over”somehow?
You’re still going to submit to their will, bottom line, Jan 31 or Feb 10.

 

[masterswimmer]

If I remember correctly, a postal machine affixes the date. The cancellation stamp isn't dated.

When you bring a letter to the USPS with a traditional stamp on it and they stamp it 'cancelled' that is stamped with the date of cancellation. The date you submitted it to them for delivery.

 

[masterswimmer]

Playing with dates? What does it get you, some satisfaction that you “got over”somehow?
You’re still going to submit to their will, bottom line, Jan 31 or Feb 10.

Offers me nothing more than the satisfaction that they didn't use me for free labor as a data entry clerk inputting my recert info online. And it also gives me the satisfaction that my paper form is being submit with an excessive number of forms from other PP holders at the last minute creating an influx that will at least create some backlog for awhile.

I will comply, but not till the last minute.

 

[Marine Cpl]

When you bring a letter to the USPS with a traditional stamp on it and they stamp it 'cancelled' that is stamped with the date of cancellation. The date you submitted it to them for delivery.

The home machine prints this.



Postage Meters | Postal Explorer

And read this about cancellation. They don't do it for metered postage.


1-1.3 Postmarks

 

[Dr. Evil]

As long as my taxes are postmarked or mailed the 15th I'm good. Just sayin'.

 

[Nanook145]

I am refusing to "renew" my permit. It says on the back expires 00/00/0000 and I never even received any sort of alert that I even needed to do so. If you support the 2A, you will not play their game. I can almost guarantee tens of thousands of people will not do anything to renew the permits as well.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't support the 2nd Amendment.

 

[nortatoga]

I am refusing to "renew" my permit. It says on the back expires 00/00/0000 and I never even received any sort of alert that I even needed to do so. If you support the 2A, you will not play their game. I can almost guarantee tens of thousands of people will not do anything to renew the permits as well.

Yeah, Let us know how that works out for you!

 

[Cooolone]

The post office stamp is dated, bring a blank envelope and purchase stamps. Don't remember how to mail (type) that you can pay for confirmation/travking without signature but you can. That's it... Use your credit or debit card for further validation. And I agree with the Tax analogy, is spot on! But hey, if you're scared and worried what the big bad State Police will do, send it now. But I'm sure, the last thing they'll do is when they finish processing all the apps that come in and get that ammo database going, then they might dedicate some resources to looking through and correlating their database to the files given to them by counties and then make a cross reference for figuring out who didn't, and before they "act" on that information, they will have to do some due diligence and good old police work and determine why, if the person is still alive, a resident of the state etc., and then go from there, then, maybe then, they'll send out notices of failure to comply, as it will be easier to remind everyone to get it done, ie, an amnesty extension for filing, because that will be easier than the boogeyman confiscation some worry about. Then, maybe then, they'll act and submit your revocation to a judge and then follow up with a home visit. If any of you think they're just gonna run out there on Feb 1st knocking on doors, you're smoking too much!

Just lol...

 

[kev74]

From the NYSP website on recert:

"If your permit was issued before January 15, 2013, the deadline to submit your recertification is January 31, 2018. If your permit was issued on or after January 15, 2013, the deadline to recertify is five years after the date the permit was issued. As a permit holder, it is your responsibility to recertify your permit whether you receive a notification letter or not. "

It says the deadline to SUBMIT, not that they received, is January 31st 2018

There always needs to be a line in the sand for these things. Just like a vehicle registration has a deadline, your drivers license has a deadline, filing taxes has a deadline. The .gov has the full intention of processing the paperwork after receiving all the recerts. They tell us when they want us to submit. They take whatever time it takes to enter the data. Process is complete for us when we mail in the forms.

I'm baffled at how many people are running scared of this.

YOU ARE COMPLYING WHEN YOU MAIL IN YOUR FORMS BY JANUARY 31ST 2018. THEY'VE TOLD US THAT MANY TIMES.

Be careful. The State Police have no responsibility to accurately interpret or explain the law.

Read the law and do what it says. Don't rely on what the State Police say.

 

[Fezzik]

For what it is worth, I received this email yesterday:

There have been several questions and misunderstandings about the
recertification process as required by the SAFE Act. As a result, I am
sending this message including an updated list from County Clerk Mike
Jankowski. Mike and Sheriff Barry Virts have been holding informational
meetings in Wayne County towns. This is a summary of their information.

This is the official statement on the NY State SAFE Act website:

“Pistol Permit Recertification
Pistol/Revolver License Recertifications are currently only required for
those permits originally issued before January 15, 2013. If your permit was
issued before January 15, 2013, the deadline to submit your recertification
is January 31, 2018. If your permit was issued on or after January 15, 2013,
the deadline to recertify is five years after the date the permit was
issued. As a permit holder, it is your responsibility to recertify your
permit whether you receive a notification letter or not.”

I’m offering these key points:
**ONLY firearm owners who have a pistol permit must recertify.
**NOT everyone will receive a letter BUT they still must recertify.
**ONLY handguns are recertified. NO long guns.
**DEADLINE to recertify is January 31, 2018 ONLY if your ORIGINAL permit was
issued PRIOR TO January 15, 2013. (This is based on the “effective date” of
the SAFE Act).
**DEADLINE for all others is determined by the date of your original permit:
“five years after the date the permit was issued.” (The date of an amendment
or new handgun purchase is irrelevant).
**FORMS (“applications”) are available online or at any State Police
station. It is not necessary to recertify online. You can mail the form to
the address listed on it. BUT mail it via CERTIFIED mail in order to
confirm it was sent and received.
** “FAILURE to recertify shall act as a revocation”of your license.
**FAILURE to recertify “can result in the loss of all fire arms including
pistols, rifles and shotguns.”


This is the most up to date information on pistol permit recertification by
the state police we have received:

1) The New York State Police web site for filing your pistol permit
recertification.

The paper application is posted on this site as well:
Firearms - Pistol/Revolver License Bureau

2) The filer will need to list on the recertification form pistols only, NOT
rifles and shotguns.

3) The recertification transaction is between the State Police and the
Filer, not the County.

4) The State Police will contact the filer to resolve any discrepancies
between the application and their existing records.

5) The goal of the State Police is to create a database for use by Law
Enforcement, Licensing Officers, and Mental Health. All applications will be
cross checked against the data bases of the DMV, Mental Health, and Federal
Criminal Data Files.

6) Not all pistol permit holders will have received a letter informing the
permit holder they need to recertify their permit. Many will not receive a
letter due to data base short comings. Whether you received a notification
letter or not you will be required to recertify your pistol permit.

7) If you held a pistol permit prior to January 15, 2013 you will need to
recertify by January 31, 2018. After that date, recertification is due 5
years from the date of issuance.

8) The State Police WILL NOT be issuing a card stating a permit holder is
recertified. The permit holder will receive a letter stating that their
permit has been recertified. There will be no requirement that a permit
holder carry proof of recertification.

9) The responsibility of the permit holder will be fulfilled when the
recertification form is submitted to the State Police.

10) If the form is submitted electronically the permit holder will receive a
receipt that can be printed out. If submitted by mail it was recommended
that the application be sent by certified mail so that there will be proof
of mailing.

11) Regardless of being filed electronically or by paper, a permit holder
can check the status of their recertification on the state police web site.

12) At the end of the recertification period, the State Police will send to
the licensing officer a list of people who submitted an application to
recertify. The exact process of review and revocation has not been
determined and remains murky.

13) If someone has a suspended pistol permit they will not be allowed to
recertify by the state police. Consequently at the recertification period
this suspension will convert to a permanent revocation. This is a gross
injustice that will hopefully be challenged in court.

14) Permit holders who have had their permits suspended because of a 946
mental health letter will not be allowed to recertify their permits and will
also have their permits revoked for failure to recertify.

15) In order to recertify the permit holder will need to have a nys dmv id
number.

This requirement is completely without justification in statute but will
stand until challenged in court.

16) If the permit holder resides outside of New York State they will still
need to obtain a NYS non driver ID.

17) If you have a NICS check by a dealer you still need to recertify with
the State Police.

18) If you have a Brady check by the County Clerk’s Office you still need to
recertify with the State Police.

19) If you have a Brady check card from Judge Kehoe you still need to
recertify with the State Police.

20) A pistol permit revocation can result in the loss of all fire arms
including pistols, rifles and shotguns.

21) All weapons that are co-registered on an individual’s pistol permit must
be included on the recertification application.

Below is the section of the safe act that refers to recertification:

Penal Law 400.10 (B)

(b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police every
five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective date of the
chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added this paragraph
shall be recertified by the licensee on or before January thirty-first, two
thousand eighteen, and not less than one year prior to such date, the state
police shall send a notice to all license holders who have not recertified
by such time. Such recertification shall be in a form as approved by the
superintendent of state police, which shall request the license holder's
name, date of birth, gender, race, residential address, social security
number, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address at the
option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license holder is
not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an electronic
form if so designated by the superintendent of state police. Failure to
recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the New York state
police discover as a result of the recertification process that a licensee
failed to provide a change of address, the New York state police shall not
require the licensing officer to revoke such license.

QUESTIONS:

Mike Jankowski, Wayne County Clerk mjankowski@co.wayne.ny.us (315) 946-7470

New York State Police Web Site: http://www.troopers.ny.gov/ (1-855-529-4867)

The NYSP website doesn’t indicate that they are sending confirmation letters to confirm recertification, only that it can be checked online.

 

[fartgamer]

Yeah, Let us know how that works out for you!

You beat me to it. Pure bravado.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Again, you're not understanding the process. The state is saying you need to submit the recert by 1/31/18. No different than the state saying you have to submit your tax return by April 15th every year. Your tax return doesn't need to be processed by April 15th. Just submit by then. Millions of people submit their return on the last day at midnight without sending it via certified return receipt requested. No issues reported to my knowledge.

That's because most people get returns.

 

[fartgamer]

.....
I can almost guarantee tens of thousands of people will not do anything to renew the permits as well.

That should help new PP applicants since county clerks will have 10’s of thousands of less people to submit amendments and such, freeing them up to process new folks.

 

[Nanook145]

That should help new PP applicants since county clerks will have 10’s of thousands of less people to submit amendments and such, freeing them up to process new folks.

This whole "renewal" thing is a great big bluff. It is impossible to realistically introduce a system like this when permits have been issued without expiration for many decades. For example, do you really think some demented 80 year old man who doesn't know how to use a computer is seriously going to follow up with something like this. I stand by what I said.

 

[Marine Cpl]

This whole "renewal" thing is a great big bluff. It is impossible to realistically introduce a system like this when permits have been issued without expiration for many decades. For example, do you really think some demented 80 year old man who doesn't know how to use a computer is seriously going to follow up with something like this. I stand by what I said.

No of course not. I doubt the state expected that 100 percent would know. The state will either send him a letter or the state will contact the county and the county will contact him. That's why they did this to begin with. There are lots of dead people with permits and so called illegal guns floating around in closets and attics.

I get what you are saying regarding the infringements and all that but you agreed to register your guns with them from the get go. It isn't like the AW thing. Apples and oranges.

 

[Nanook145]

No of course not. I doubt the state expected that 100 percent would know. The state will either send him a letter or the state will contact the county and the county will contact him. That's why they did this to begin with. There are lots of dead people with permits and so called illegal guns floating around in closets and attics.

I get what you are saying regarding the infringements and all that but you agreed to register your guns with them from the get go. It isn't like the AW thing. Apples and oranges.

Do you really think they are willing to go through that much work to literally track every person down who doesn't electronically update their permits (all because of some bullet point on a bill that was rushed through legislature a few years ago)? If so, I am very disappointed that this is where our tax money is going. Especially since I would estimate only about half of all handgun owners in this state will likely "renew" their permits by the deadline.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Do you really think they are willing to go through that much work to literally track every person down who doesn't electronically update their permits (all because of some bullet point on a bill that was rushed through legislature a few years ago)? If so, I am very disappointed that this is where our tax money is going. Especially since I would estimate only about half of all handgun owners in this state will likely "renew" their permits by the deadline.

They aren't going to say, "Oh well. Mr. Nanook got over on us. Better luck next time."

 

[redtail]

Do you really think they are willing to go through that much work to literally track every person down who doesn't electronically update their permits (all because of some bullet point on a bill that was rushed through legislature a few years ago)? If so, I am very disappointed that this is where our tax money is going. Especially since I would estimate only about half of all handgun owners in this state will likely "renew" their permits by the deadline.

lol ;... @ additional municipal union pay concerns ; Are you new to the prkny ?

 

[Celt]

I'm not renewing mine because I have moved and I am living in TX permanently. I gave up on NY state and it's asshole politicians. You who are still here are suckers. You say you want to leave, but you are still here. If you stay in NY state, you should not complain, because you have chosen to stay.

Thats ignorant. When you have a solid career and family roots its not that simple.

 

[redtail]

Hate it.
These fuckin corksoakers in Albany are the anti-constitution communists the founders warned us about.

That being said, forces compel me to live under their draconian bs decree for now. Play their commie game until you can escape.