Mass shooting in buffalo NY

[BerettaGuy]

Absolutely true. The guy fought it out knowing he was outmatched when he could have hid and cowered.

I saw the "Livestream" and it happened really fast. The guy stops the car, gets out, and opens fire on anyone. The cop didn't stand a chance nor would a CCW person. I would venture to say that even the responding cops followed their training and instead of opening fire on an active shooter, they said "Freeze, drop your weapon".

 

[1341]

I saw the "Livestream" and it happened really fast. The guy stops the car, gets out, and opens fire on anyone. The cop didn't stand a chance nor would a CCW person. I would venture to say that even the responding cops followed their training and instead of opening fire on an active shooter, they said "Freeze, drop your weapon".

My guess is the local franchise owner of Top's contracted with a local security company for armed security and probably did not have a plan in place for having to deal with a active shooter situation. The local security company probably also didn't have a plan either or provided any extra training to it's guards.
Mr Salter responded as he did as what his training was as a Buffalo police officer.

 

[Edwardteach72]

The cop didn't stand a chance nor would a CCW person.

Speculation... a shot to the back of the head/neck would have easily ended this

 

[livingston]

You either are a part of our society or not. Either you have all rights or you have none. No picking and choosing. If this person was not fit enough to own a firearm then he probably wasn't fit enough to be walking the streets.

You know they hardly lock anyone up today. .. For mental health reasons. They put one in a ward for a month or two and let you free.

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[1341]

You know they hardly lock anyone up today. .. For mental health reasons. They put one in a ward for a month or two and let you free.

If even that.

 

[Vapor]

Great, he went to my wife's high school.

 

[Cavalry]

I saw the "Livestream" and it happened really fast. The guy stops the car, gets out, and opens fire on anyone. The cop didn't stand a chance nor would a CCW person. I would venture to say that even the responding cops followed their training and instead of opening fire on an active shooter, they said "Freeze, drop your weapon".

Did you see the whole thing or an edit? The person I believe to be the guard was the last to be shot in the video, after the mag change or about 30 seconds after the fist shot. I agree the 5 outside as well as the first 2 inside (shot through the front window) had zero chance to do anything.
Responding should have let him off himself if policy was not to engage. Even if the feds take over on a capital hate crime charge this POS wont be executed for decades.

 

[livingston]

Speculation... a shot to the back of the head/neck would have easily ended this

Would ones nerves be frayed to a point that it would be impossible. ... We all know the stories where officers shoot 50 rounds at a suspect and miss them all. ... This could have been the first time this person ever put a bead on another person with the intent to kill. ... One can say training kicks in during stress... True....This man was retired... Training for him could have been a long time ago.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Would ones nerves be frayed to a point that it would be impossible. ... We all know the stories where officers shoot 50 rounds at a suspect and miss them all. ... This could have been the first time this person ever put a bead on another person with the intent to kill. ... One can say training kicks in during stress... True....This man was retired... Training for him could have been a long time ago.

And this is why we should be training to standards (spoiler, police officers aren't held to a high standard of shooting)


@OnSight Firearms Training offers force on force training.. I'd bet money going to one of their classes would get someone better training than this retired officer ever recieved on the job

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Awaiting a civilian ban on body armor in 5....4....3....2..

 

[Edwardteach72]

Awaiting a civilian ban on body armor in 5....4....3....2..

They've been pushing it for the past few years already, this Tuesday could be the day they make a big push

 

[Bigfoot]

Anti-2Aer in sheep's clothing says ^

FWIW

That's always been my suspicion.

 

[livingston]

Awaiting a civilian ban on body armor in 5....4....3....2..

Agree..

 

[99cummins]

Confirmed: Buffalo Suspect Wasn't Conservative, Also Despised Fox News, Greg Gutfeld, Ben Shapiro, Rupert Murdoch

The media jumps to wild conclusions about these mass murderers, and we often find out later that their biased impressions are not facts.

www.westernjournal.com

In parts of the manifesto, he claimed he was an “authoritarian left-wing[er],” said he hated Christianity and also said he was interested in “green nationalism.”

Well that doesn’t fit the agenda. That will get buried or spun.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

In parts of the manifesto, he claimed he was an “authoritarian left-wing[er],” said he hated Christianity and also said he was interested in “green nationalism.”

Well that doesn’t fit the agenda. That will get buried or spun.

Yup as I said Earlier in this thread, DO NOT let the left spin the narrative that this asshole is a conservative because he certainly is not.

He's a whacko quasi environmental nazi leftist.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Did you see the whole thing or an edit? The person I believe to be the guard was the last to be shot in the video, after the mag change or about 30 seconds after the fist shot. I agree the 5 outside as well as the first 2 inside (shot through the front window) had zero chance to do anything.
Responding should have let him off himself if policy was not to engage. Even if the feds take over on a capital hate crime charge this POS wont be executed for decades.

I saw the original up to the point where he shot about 5 people in cold blood. I didn't see the guard at all.
As a former LE I once played paintball with some military guys. Cops against the military. They slaughtered us.
Why? Cops have rules to follow before they shoot. Military eliminate the threat and achieve the mission. Just saying that the cops training kicked in and instead of shooting the guy they followed their training.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

My prediction on the next talking points...

1- eliminate body armor for civilians
2- the NY safe act would have worked if people were not able to get parts out of state to get around the law. Therefore we need this system on a national level, it's not good enough just at the state level.

 

[GOPerfect]

Awaiting a civilian ban on body armor in 5....4....3....2..

I do not think so. A lot of parents have purchased armor plates for their children.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I do not think so. A lot of parents have purchased armor plates for their children.

Good point actually hadn't considered that.

I'm just used to politicians immediately making knee jerk reactions limiting what we can or can't possess.

 

[GOPerfect]

And this is why we should be training to standards (spoiler, police officers aren't held to a high standard of shooting)


@OnSight Firearms Training offers force on force training.. I'd bet money going to one of their classes would get someone better training than this retired officer ever recieved on the job

I have received better training from watching YouTube videos than through my department.

 

[GOPerfect]

I love how there is a decent possibility that some new kind of legislation will come out due to this shooting. Whatever, I will not comply....

Everyday, nearly everyday, there is a shooting in the city. Black on black killings is at an all time high in just about every major city. Shooting after shooting; killing after killing.

Nothing is done. If I was a black guy living in the inner city, I would be furious that the elected are doing nothing to stop it.

 

[GOPerfect]

The asshole actually skipped over white people and moved along.

It's very unfortunate that none of them were carrying and shot him in the back of the neck/head when he moved on.

That is why I commented what I did.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I have received better training from watching YouTube videos than through my department.

I believe it.. and yet people just automatically assume that all police officers are John Wick or some shit.. when the majority of officers shoot maybe twice a year just to qualify and even in these days many can go their whole career without pulling their gun

 

[Cavalry]

My prediction on the next talking points...

1- eliminate body armor for civilians

Isn't it already illegal to be wearing armor while committing a violent felony? It should me more illegal-er!

 

[Edwardteach72]

I love how there is a decent possibility that some new kind of legislation will come out due to this shooting.

I am also finding this hilarious. Especially when the gov already said she planned on having new legislation introduced on Tuesday..

Like a little reading comprehension goes a long way.. She said they already planned this legislation for Tuesday.. it had nothing to do with Buffaloes shooting

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Isn't it already illegal to be wearing armor while committing a violent felony? It should me more illegal-er!

Murder is already illegal too.


Existing laws have never stopped politicians from "needing to do something" to prevent another future crime that hadn't happened yet, proactively punishing others who had nothing to do with the original crime.

 

[Cavalry]

I cant wait to see what miracle legislation they come up with. He bought the rifle legally, and "un-safed" it.
They keep saying that he bought the mags in PA and imported them illegally. That problem aside if true, I am pretty sure his manifesto stated he bought GI mags at "jimays" which is a flea market in Conklin. So he either broke the law to obtain them or broke the law to obtain them. Got it, fully preventable.

 

[Cavalry]

Ok someone more familiar with twitch/live streaming help me out with this.

He used a go-pro linked to his iphone streaming to twitch. It was mentioned he had his home PC connected to the stream to verify it was indeed on

The video ends either by Twitch pulling it or him ending it, and shows a desktop with a Firefox browser bar. This desktop bookmarks are suny Broome, answer key or a test, Daily Stormer, Daily Archives, Armor puchacing guide, etc ,etc

Judging from the bookmarks this could have been his PC. Why by ending a stream would it show the browser of a pc thats watching not the source? To me this look more like a video capture of the PC ? If that's the case, who retrieved the video, edited and released?
If this was off someone else's computer that was just watching the stream, why is it not news that this person is out there. They had similar views, went to the same school, may have contributed to the manifesto and obviously had some fore knowledge that something was going to happen.

 

[99cummins]

I love how there is a decent possibility that some new kind of legislation will come out due to this shooting. Whatever, I will not comply....

Everyday, nearly everyday, there is a shooting in the city. Black on black killings is at an all time high in just about every major city. Shooting after shooting; killing after killing.

Nothing is done. If I was a black guy living in the inner city, I would be furious that the elected are doing nothing to stop it.

33 shootings in Chicago over the weekend…

Chicago shootings: 33 shot, 5 fatally, in weekend violence, CPD says

Chicago weekend shootings have left at least 33 people shot, five fatally, police said.

abc7chicago.com