Semi auto rifle license law passed and headed to governor

[Acer-m14]

has anyone seen any county sheriffs speaking out on this crap like they did for the un-safe act ..

 

[dwa12479]

No probable cause to assume the full featured AR the guy has at the public range isn't properly registered too.

And nothing in the law that requires the owner to carry or provide such documentation absent a warrant either.

Claiming that seeing a guy with an AW is probable cause it is unregistered is tacit admission that most of them aren't.

Not quite, maybe I wasn't super clear. Ex-post facto there would be making abortion illegal, and then arresting doctors previously performed them when they were legal. I guess the "keeping your mags" was ambiguous, I threw it out there an a possible option to avoid ex-post facto. Maybe wasn't the best comparison

 

[spat]

Not quite, maybe I wasn't super clear. Ex-post facto there would be making abortion illegal, and then arresting doctors previously performed them when they were legal. I guess the "keeping your mags" was ambiguous, I threw it out there an a possible option to avoid ex-post facto. Maybe wasn't the best comparison

Yea, the problem with keeping your mags is that you continue to possess them after it became illegal. So they can't prosecute you for having possessed one in 2012, but they can if you still possessed it in 2014.

If, as it appears for this semi auto law, it is only a ban on acquiring them, then it would be ex post facto, since they were acquired before the law and you didn't *continue* to acquire it.

 

[That_FNG]

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Make them all fixed magazine with 5 round magazines to be safe act compliant as well. Then once transfer is complete the new owner can do as they wish. Human ingenuity will inevitably always outsmart human laws

 

[holdover]

Technically ex post facto just means you can't criminalize behavior prior to the passage of the law.

Possession is an ongoing thing.

So a law that outlawed having ever owned a gun would be ex post facto. As would a law that outlawed having bought one before the law was passed.

But a law that says possession is illegal can outlaw any possession after the day it is signed I to law, regardless of when that possession began.

Now, there are a dozen ways In which such a law is unconstitutional, but ex post facto isn't one of them.

I know, I misread the new law, I thought they meant simple possession.

 

[dwa12479]

Yea, the problem with keeping your mags is that you continue to possess them after it became illegal. So they can't prosecute you for having possessed one in 2012, but they can if you still possessed it in 2014.

If, as it appears for this semi auto law, it is only a ban on acquiring them, then it would be ex post facto, since they were acquired before the law and you didn't *continue* to acquire it.

As it appears right now by the way i've read the new legislation, they're going to allow everyone to keep their currently possessed SA's. No registration, no confiscation, no penalties, no action required. So Ex-post facto is not in play.

 

[spat]

Make them all fixed magazine with 5 round magazines to be safe act compliant as well. Then once transfer is complete the new owner can do as they wish. Human ingenuity will inevitably always outsmart human laws

Or just disassemble for the transfer.

A gun without a bolt is not semiautomatic.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

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. .. and it's 100% ACCURATE!! More accurate than any AR platformed firearm ever produced!!

 

[Chicken Shoot]

90 days

§ 8. This act shall take effect on the ninetieth day after it shall
have become a law and shall apply only to purchases or transfers of
ownership made on or after such effective date.




Anyone else notice that the fuckers can't spell either?? I no longer recognize this state govt as a govt of NYS. I am a citizen of these formerly united states and will NOT be subjected to illegal laws illegally passed by anti-American assholes in said state govt. I will no longer pay taxes to any local or state govt agency inside this communist state. Fucking come and get me assholes!! I've had enough of these democraps!!

 

[Chicken Shoot]

most FFLs will prob just fold

YES!! One of the largest gun dealers is already making plans to leave NY, close 11 stores here and move to another state where they have already purchased 2 store fronts. All other smaller gun shops will close.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

What FFL's? With that other horseshit bill that passed 90% of FFL's are not going to be able to justify the aggravation and cost to stay open. Fireproof vaults, monitored security systems, multiple video cameras with 2 year video retention, etc.

Oh an the state police will now have a registry of everything sold going forward. All sales records get forwarded to them every april.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post the part about the 2 years of video required. I am having problems finding it.

 

[Cavalry]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post the part about the 2 years of video required. I am having problems finding it.

 

[Chicken Shoot]

Thank you!! This govt MUST be removed!! Where is our military? Oh .... being gay and dressing in drag ... how could I forget??

 

[Grimscale]

So…
What the law about a Ny resident buying a long gun in another state and bringing it back home?
Just asking for a friend

I thought it was "purchasing from a contiguous State, no FFL required."
ie: a State whose border directly touches that of New York, like PA.

Anything else you're supposed to have it shipped to an FFL.

 

[That_FNG]

YES!! One of the largest gun dealers is already making plans to leave NY, close 11 stores here and move to another state where they have already purchased 2 store fronts. All other smaller gun shops will close.

Which one is that?

 

[Tintalieau]

YES!! One of the largest gun dealers is already making plans to leave NY, close 11 stores here and move to another state where they have already purchased 2 store fronts. All other smaller gun shops will close.

i went to a newer shop the day after this crap, he opened less than 3 years ago, now he's planning on moving to a different state since NY just made his business nearly impossible to turn a profit because of everything.

 

[nortatoga]

I thought it was "purchasing from a contiguous State, no FFL required."
ie: a State whose border directly touches that of New York, like PA.

Anything else you're supposed to have it shipped to an FFL.

I believe that law was changed a few years ago for long guns.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[goldie]

Chicken Shoot, i wanna go to my house in Tenessee get some moonshine from a neibor bring it to your house and do a shot with you !

 

[timboy]

Which one is that?

If I had to guess I'd say the stores owned by the Capital Gun Group,they own a bunch of the stores in the Capital Region.
That is only a guess however.

 

[brucie]

Wow, this is insanity. I never thought i would say this, but i am so glad i am licensed and permitted in New Jersey. Not that Jersey is much better, at least compared to other states, but it is def better than NY state. This is craziness.

Its the fu@king City dictating how the whole state should be. Meanwhile, most of NY state is VERY rural. I know, as i own 27 acres of the most rural, hidden, and wooded property as far as your eyes can see, and its 85 miles outside of Manhattan. Its insane really.

And Phil "The Beaver" Murphy is saying hold my beer.

 

[TonyRossi]

Yes, the semi auto rifles you already own is grandfather.
This pertains to purchases or taking possession of semi auto rifles "ON or AFTER" the act goes into effect. Which is 90day after the Governor signs.
[ § 8. This act shall take effect on the ninetieth day after it shall
have become a law and shall apply only to purchases or transfers of
ownership made on or after such effective date. ]

From the way I read/ interpret it. You are required to amend your S.A rifle license when you buy or sell a S.A rifle. Therefore, I assume your new S.A. rifle will be recorded on your rifle license.
[ 9. License: amendment. Elsewhere than in the city of New York, a
person licensed to carry or possess a pistol or revolver OR TO PURCHASE
OR TAKE POSSESSION OF A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE may apply at any time to his
or her licensing officer for amendment of his or her license to include
one or more such weapons or to cancel weapons held under license.]

 

[TonyRossi]

The bill about requiring dealers to maintain 2 years of video surveillance is impossible.
there is no security system that stores recordings for 2 years…
This is disgusting

 

[ArmedCorgi]

The bill about requiring dealers to maintain 2 years of video surveillance is impossible.
there is no security system that stores recordings for 2 years…
This is disgusting

They don't make laws based off reality.

 

[Dunedain Ranger]

And Phil "The Beaver" Murphy is saying hold my beer.

You are 100% right, at least about Billy Bob Murphy. Yes he would love to take it all away too. However, at least for now, Jersey has a very pro 2nd amendment Republican senator?, or maybe another branch, not 100%, but that is definitely above Murphy in position. Murphy knows that anything that tries to be put forth that would be considered extreme gun control, or against 2nd amendment, would be knocked down and never make it thru.

Unlike NY, which is left and blue at EVERY level, hence why ANY bullsh@t will get thru. For now, in Jersey you are allowed to have a pistol grip on your AR 15 sporting rifles, or AK platforms. You still cannot have more than 10 rounders. You DO need a pinned, and non adjustable stock. Also, DO need a pinned and welded muzzle break, or nothing on your barrel, but it then cannot be threaded on the end. For pistols/handguns, everyone needs a pistol permit. Each pistol permit is valid for 30 days, meaning that in theory the most handguns or pistols, if you get and time the permits perfectly, would be 12 per year.

The biggest thing, i feel, is that they still allow a pistol grip on the semi's. Also "others" are very much a thing in Jersey. I know of 3 gun shops i frequent that have em on display for sale always, right in the open. I have a troy other in 5,56 and an IWRC IC-OSCAR FOXTROT, or "other", in 5.56, both bought legally from reputable shops.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[That_FNG]

What I find interesting is that in all this mess targeting Semi auto rifles, magazines, pistols etc there has not been one mention of banning any of the actual registered assault weapons. You know, the ones that were registered with the state when safe act took effect. The actual semi auto full featured rifles with detachable magazine and all the evil features? Why not go after them? Would look good in the press to say you seized all this previously legal semi auto full feature assault weapons. What about on the federal level? All this talk of magazine capacity and semi auto pistols yet there are hundreds of legal registered actual full auto machine guns, short barrel rifles/shotguns, destructive devices they could seized and say look at all the scary things we got off the street. Look at dragon man in Colorado? Just his NFA stuff alone would make for one hell of a photo op. With a sudden rule change or law change they made everybody get rid of their bump stocks. So why are they not targeting any of that?

 

[spat]

i went to a newer shop the day after this crap, he opened less than 3 years ago, now he's planning on moving to a different state since NY just made his business nearly impossible to turn a profit because of everything.

Not sure why anyone would open any business in NY in the last 3 years.

Well, maybe a dry cleaner specializing in campaign contributions, but other than that, you'd have to be insane.

 

[Jem45472]

What I find interesting is that in all this mess targeting Semi auto rifles, magazines, pistols etc there has not been one mention of banning any of the actual registered assault weapons. You know, the ones that were registered with the state when safe act took effect. The actual semi auto full featured rifles with detachable magazine and all the evil features? Why not go after them? Would look good in the press to say you seized all this previously legal semi auto full feature assault weapons. What about on the federal level? All this talk of magazine capacity and semi auto pistols yet there are hundreds of legal registered actual full auto machine guns, short barrel rifles/shotguns, destructive devices they could seized and say look at all the scary things we got off the street. Look at dragon man in Colorado? Just his NFA stuff alone would make for one hell of a photo op. With a sudden rule change or law change they made everybody get rid of their bump stocks. So why are they not targeting any of that?

Because law enforcement are the only ones that registered them lol.

 

[nortatoga]

Because law enforcement are the only ones that registered them lol.

That is true!!