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A panicked Empire tries to make Russia an ‘offer it can’t refuse’
"Those behind the Throne are never more dangerous than when they have their backs against the wall.
Their power is slipping away, fast: Militarily, via NATO’s progressive humiliation in Ukraine; Financially, sooner rather than later, most of the Global South will want nothing to do with the currency of a bankrupt rogue giant; Politically, the global majority is taking decisive steps to stop obeying a rapacious, discredited, de facto minority."
"The novelty here is that for the first time since the start of Russia’s February 2022 Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine, the Americans are actually proposing a variation of the “offer you can’t refuse” classic, including some concessions which may satisfy Russia’s security imperatives.
Crucially, the US offer totally bypasses Kiev, once again certifying that this is a war against Russia conducted by Empire and its NATO minions – with the Ukrainians as mere expandable proxies."
"Those behind the Throne are never more dangerous than when they have their backs against the wall.
Their power is slipping away, fast: Militarily, via NATO’s progressive humiliation in Ukraine; Financially, sooner rather than later, most of the Global South will want nothing to do with the currency of a bankrupt rogue giant; Politically, the global majority is taking decisive steps to stop obeying a rapacious, discredited, de facto minority."
"The novelty here is that for the first time since the start of Russia’s February 2022 Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine, the Americans are actually proposing a variation of the “offer you can’t refuse” classic, including some concessions which may satisfy Russia’s security imperatives.
Crucially, the US offer totally bypasses Kiev, once again certifying that this is a war against Russia conducted by Empire and its NATO minions – with the Ukrainians as mere expandable proxies."
Mozart Mercenary Group is disbanded. Disgraced Mozart leader Andrew Milburn tells his men they can take off their helmets and take a shit into them.
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Hard Drinking and Murky Finances: How an American Veterans Group Imploded in Ukraine (Published 2023)
The Mozart Group was training Ukrainian soldiers and evacuating frontline residents until the money ran out. Its collapse sheds light on the stresses faced by such groups.
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Russia Threatens To NUKE United Kingdom, Launch 'Unstoppable' Torpedo To Create 500-Meter Radioactive Tsunami
The threat came just days after a Russian warship was spotted off the coast of the United Kingdom, Norway and Belgium earlier this month.
spat
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So, you're saying nuclear war is inevitable at this point ?
Once you reach that conclusion, the only logical course of action is a massive first strike targeted at your enemies nuclear facilities.
Putin is playing a hell of a game of chicken, but he's driving a Yugo, and the rest of the world is a freight train.
That collision will be a bad day for the guy driving the train, but he's worried about the investigation, the guy in the Yugo won't have enough remains to bury.
Russia has bigger territory, more nukes and better missile technology. Russia's chances of winning nuclear war are better.
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Russia tests nuclear-capable missile that Putin calls world's best
In a show of strength two months into its assault on Ukraine, Russia test-launched a new nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile which President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday would make Moscow's enemies stop and think.
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Why Russia's Hypersonic Missiles Can't Be Seen on Radar
The speed of hypersonic weapons are changing the way the world's military minds think about the future of great power conflicts in ways no one could have predicted.
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Russia leads the world in hypersonic missiles tech, Putin says
Russia is the global leader in hypersonic missiles and, by the time other countries catch up, is likely to have developed technology to counteract these new weapons, President Vladimir Putin said.
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MothMan
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Recently watched the miniseries Chernobyl. Well worth the time to watch, IMO. 650,000 people mobilized many knowingly irradiated themselves to fight the accident.
My take away is that Russia is best equipped to protect its population from the after effects of a nuclear exchange.
Nuclear war asshole! Many people die. Again my opinion is that in the long run fewer Russian will perish due to experience gained at Chernobyl.
The only other country best prepared would be Japan.
My take away is that Russia is best equipped to protect its population from the after effects of a nuclear exchange.
Nuclear war asshole! Many people die. Again my opinion is that in the long run fewer Russian will perish due to experience gained at Chernobyl.
The only other country best prepared would be Japan.
I also saw the miniseries and I agree it's well worth the time to watch. I disagree with your other takeaways. I thought it showed just how poorly they were equipped to deal with any type of emergency. Yes they threw thousands of bodies at the problem which makes their official death toll laughably low. The one thing that you can absolutely count on is the Russians will gladly sacrifice hundreds of thousands (millions) to achieve their political goals. Russian lives, Ukrainians, it doesn't matter.
I seriously doubt they are equipped to protect their population from the after effects of a nuclear exchange. I think they just don't care, particularly if they think they could win a nuclear exchange.
spat
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Wow, you really drank the kool-aid haven't you.Russia has bigger territory, more nukes and better missile technology. Russia's chances of winning nuclear war are better.
Russia tests nuclear-capable missile that Putin calls world's best
In a show of strength two months into its assault on Ukraine, Russia test-launched a new nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missile which President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday would make Moscow's enemies stop and think.
Why Russia's Hypersonic Missiles Can't Be Seen on Radar
The speed of hypersonic weapons are changing the way the world's military minds think about the future of great power conflicts in ways no one could have predicted.www.military.com
Russia leads the world in hypersonic missiles tech, Putin says
Russia is the global leader in hypersonic missiles and, by the time other countries catch up, is likely to have developed technology to counteract these new weapons, President Vladimir Putin said.
Bigger territory than what ? Then entire pacific ocean where we keep our boomers ?
Better missile technology ? Seriously ? Both sides have had adequate missile technology since the 70s. What's better about it ?
More nukes ? Well, maybe if you count every rusting hull, but nukes need regular maintenance if you expect them to go boom. Don't replace the tritium every few years and they're just an extra messy conventional explosive. You may believe they're doing that for thousands of warheads, but I seriously doubt they have the budget.
As for "winning" a nuclear war, there is no such thing. The best you can possibly manage would be surviving one without your entire civilization collapsing. That is completely impossible for the Russians, and unlikely for us.
Russia dominates nuclear power supply chains — and the West needs to prepare now to be independent in the future
A new report from Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy details how Russia dominates the supply chains of nuclear power around the globe.
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Russia has ‘enormous’ underground bunkers ready for nuclear war
Russia is maintaining giant bunkers underneath Moscow where Kremlin bigwigs can live underground for months after a nuclear attack, because the administration is convinced the U.S. plans on overthr…
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Russians Conduct Nuclear-Bomb Survival Drills as Cold War Heats Up
Russian authorities have stepped up nuclear-war survival measures amid a showdown with Washington, dusting off Soviet-era civil-defense plans and upgrading bomb shelters in the biggest cities
www.wsj.com
Footage shows how Russia has completed nuclear drill for 40MILLION
Video shows emergency workers with protective suits and gas masks leading the biggest civil defence rehearsals since the end of the Cold War.
spat
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So, your argument is that because the Soviet Union caused the largest nuclear accident in history by incompetently handling a nuclear reactor, then badly mismanaged the response and just threw bodies at the problem in suicide waves, *that* means they are better prepared to handle a nuclear war ?
First off, nuclear war is *nothing* like a reactor meltdown. About the only thing they have in common is some radiation is involved.
Second, that's like saying Andrew Cuomo is going to be the best leader to handle the next pandemic because he has a lot of experience murdering people in nursing homes.
spat
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About as useful in an actual nuclear war as this outstanding advice.Russians Conduct Nuclear-Bomb Survival Drills as Cold War Heats Up
Russian authorities have stepped up nuclear-war survival measures amid a showdown with Washington, dusting off Soviet-era civil-defense plans and upgrading bomb shelters in the biggest cities
Footage shows how Russia has completed nuclear drill for 40MILLION
Video shows emergency workers with protective suits and gas masks leading the biggest civil defence rehearsals since the end of the Cold War.www.dailymail.co.uk
Russia's biggest advantage in surviving a nuclear war is that they have lots of remote villages where people still have to go outdoors to shit.
MothMan
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At least the Ruskies are making plans to protect their people what is fUSA.gov doing?
Other than fomenting hate for the Russians. Which I see a lot of 1st hand evidence of in this thread.
Other than fomenting hate for the Russians. Which I see a lot of 1st hand evidence of in this thread.
spat
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We had that fiction for decades. Closed them all.
Fallout shelters are about as useful as a crocheted covid mask. They make some people feel better, but that's about it.
After the initial holocaust in a nuclear war, the fallout isn't your primary concern. It isn't too hard to deal with.
It's the collapse of civilization and supply chains that will get you.
Soviet Union never had "Duck and Cover" training program. That stupidity is still going on in this country. All large buildings in Russia which have deep basements were labeled with shelter signs. Even smaller and old buildings had deep basements which were subdivided for storage use, these could be used in a pinch. Moscow and St. Petersburg have extensive and very deep subway system, which were already used as bomb shelters in WWII. This in addition to numerous underground tunnels like we seen in Mariupol.
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So....there are no subway systems in the United States or big buildings with deep basements?
MothMan
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When was the last time you saw one of these?
Grab this tag off an abandoned breaker panel in a building I once worked in.
Grab this tag off an abandoned breaker panel in a building I once worked in.
Most of it is above ground or just below roadways, not suitable even for bomb shelters. Russian subways were built much deeper.
MothMan
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in case your interested.
Civil defense in the United States - Wikipedia
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Civil defense in the United States - Wikipedia
Civil Defense Association for Preparedness
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ManualF150
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Back then things were a heck of a lot different. People had more respect for one another. You see someone having problems with something, you'd stop and help them. You'd ask questions, etc. You'd offer.
Now a days, people will ignore you if you are having convulsions on the ground. They don't feel it's their job to help, and they just don't care. It's someone else's job.
Along with the fact that people are not self-reliant nor are they pro-active. They think technology will save them.
The USA is not what it was decades ago.
So yes, the collapse of civilization and supply chains will be the contributing factor of many people's demise, both directly and indirectly.
To be honest, I'm not worried about the nuclear incident itself, I'm worried about when my own neighbors terrorize me, and try to steal from me because of the collapse because they can't be self-reliant.
Reminds me of an old joke:
THERE is an old joke, perhaps so old it can be retold as new, in which a Soviet official is proudly showing an impressive Moscow subway station to an American engineer. The visitor is so enchanted that he lingers for quite a time — during which no trains pass through. When he asks, “But where are the trains?” the Russian indignantly replies, “What about the Negroes in the South?”
Soviet built subways are still the best in the world. Trains arrive every 2 minutes, you can set your stop watch by them. Unlike NY subway it's totally independent on conditions above ground.
If I had a dollar for every stupid thing that was said about Russia or Soviet Union. The most common bs was if you do this and that in Russia they will send you to Siberia.
There are no sensitive subjects, only sensitive people. ;-)
Perception based on propaganda instead of knowledge based on facts is a thing in this country. Some things never change.
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