Denied ccw

[Marine Cpl]

Yeah, but they pull your permit and you lose your 2A rights. They take everything, not just the handguns. How someone's rights can be held in a sense, at ransom, is beyond me.

Right but what good are maintaining your rights if you are dead?

I mean you are only going to use it if you legitimately fear for your life.

 

[Shadow2]

I'm not quite sure what being debated here. That a judge will pull a permit? or If your long guns can be taken also? Any revocation of the permit and you can loose your long guns.

I personally know someone who had thier permit pulled for carrying outside of thier restriction. Arrested charges drop because he had his permit, permit revoked end of story. IT DOES HAPPEN. Lucky for him the safe act was not in affect at the time.


If you don't recertify pistol permit under SAFE Act, you could lose all your guns

And I already responded to that, so go check out both posts right quick.

 

[Darth]

I'm not quite sure what being debated here. That a judge will pull a permit? or If your long guns can be taken also? Any revocation of the permit and you can loose your long guns.

I know of somone who had thier permit pulled for carrying outside of restriction. Lucky for him the safe at was not in affect at the time

This would be the first time in history.

We've been waiting years for this.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I was talking about losing your 2A rights. I suppose technically you would lose your 2A rights in NY but not in America. If it's true that you lose your long guns due to permit revocation (someone please post that section of the SNAKE ACT) it's then a blatant gun grab. What if you never owned any pistols? Then you're fine. But because you had a pistol permit they use that as an excuse to take ALL of your guns. And now after decades of lifetime valid permits suddenly you have to renew. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I was blown away with how simple and fast it the process was. PA may as well go Constitutional Carry.

I agree. Just so you know we're already half way there. Because the law is silent on open carry in PA anyone can purchase a pistol and carry it without a carry permit if carried openly. Been like that forever.

 

[Darth]

Just hide the guns. (Legally of course.)

Hence I oppose registration.

 

[Podmonkey]

I agree. Just so you know we're already half way there. Because the law is silent on open carry in PA anyone can purchase a pistol and carry it without a carry permit if carried openly. Been like that forever.

But I hear its something of a crapshoot as to whether you get hasseled by LE though. I've heard some not so nice stories regarding open carriers

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

But I hear its something of a crapshoot as to whether you get hasseled by LE though. I've heard some not so nice stories regarding open carriers

It's a crapshoot in ANY state to open carry.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I was talking about losing your 2A rights. I suppose technically you would lose your 2A rights in NY but not in America. If it's true that you lose your long guns due to permit revocation (someone please post that section of the SNAKE ACT) it's then a blatant gun grab. What if you never owned any pistols? Then you're fine. But because you had a pistol permit they use that as an excuse to take ALL of your guns. And now after decades of lifetime valid permits suddenly you have to renew. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here.

Registration leads to confiscation. We've all heard that before.

 

[Podmonkey]

It's a crapshoot in ANY state to open carry.

Unfortunately yes. I don't believe in open carry from a tactical standpoint though. From an ideological standpoint absolutely, but I am a firm beliver in flying under the radar in my personal life

 

[Cippee]

I've gone over this a dozen times on the other forum having you licence revoked does not automaticity cause long gun seizure.
Only if the cause of the revocation would also ban long gun ownership. Mental health, felony, or serious offense. Here is the section of law the deals with it. Notice the highlighted part.

11. License: revocation and suspension. (a) The conviction of a
licensee anywhere of a felony or serious offense or a licensee at any
time becoming ineligible to obtain a license under this section shall
operate as a revocation of the license. A license may be revoked or
suspended as provided for in section 530.14 of the criminal procedure
law or section eight hundred forty-two-a of the family court act. Except
for a license issued pursuant to section 400.01 of this article, a
license may be revoked and cancelled at any time in the city of New
York, and in the counties of Nassau and Suffolk, by the licensing
officer, and elsewhere than in the city of New York by any judge or
justice of a court of record; a license issued pursuant to section
400.01 of this article may be revoked and cancelled at any time by the
licensing officer or any judge or justice of a court of record. The
official revoking a license shall give written notice thereof without
unnecessary delay to the executive department, division of state police,
Albany, and shall also notify immediately the duly constituted police
authorities of the locality.
(b) Whenever the director of community services or his or her designee
makes a report pursuant to section 9.46 of the mental hygiene law, the
division of criminal justice services shall convey such information,
whenever it determines that the person named in the report possession s a
license issued pursuant to this section, to the appropriate licensing
official, who shall issue an order suspending or revoking such license.
(c) In any instance in which a person's license is suspended or
revoked under paragraph (a) or (b) of this subdivision, such person
shall surrender such license to the appropriate licensing official and
any and all firearms, rifles, or shotguns owned or possessed by such
person shall be surrendered to an appropriate law enforcement agency as
provided in subparagraph (f) of paragraph one of subdivision a of
section 265.20 of this chapter. In the event such license, firearm,
shotgun, or rifle is not surrendered, such items shall be removed and
declared a nuisance and any police officer or peace officer acting
pursuant to his or her special duties is authorized to remove any and
all such weapons

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I've gone over this a dozen times on the other forum having you licence revoked does not automaticity cause long gun seizure.
Only if the cause of the revocation would also ban long gun ownership. Mental health, felony, or serious offense. Here is the section of law the deals with it. Notice the highlighted part.

11. License: revocation and suspension. (a) The conviction of a
licensee anywhere of a felony or serious offense or a licensee at any
time becoming ineligible to obtain a license under this section shall
operate as a revocation of the license. A license may be revoked or
suspended as provided for in section 530.14 of the criminal procedure
law or section eight hundred forty-two-a of the family court act. Except
for a license issued pursuant to section 400.01 of this article, a
license may be revoked and cancelled at any time in the city of New
York, and in the counties of Nassau and Suffolk, by the licensing
officer, and elsewhere than in the city of New York by any judge or
justice of a court of record; a license issued pursuant to section
400.01 of this article may be revoked and cancelled at any time by the
licensing officer or any judge or justice of a court of record. The
official revoking a license shall give written notice thereof without
unnecessary delay to the executive department, division of state police,
Albany, and shall also notify immediately the duly constituted police
authorities of the locality.
(b) Whenever the director of community services or his or her designee
makes a report pursuant to section 9.46 of the mental hygiene law, the
division of criminal justice services shall convey such information,
whenever it determines that the person named in the report possession s a
license issued pursuant to this section, to the appropriate licensing
official, who shall issue an order suspending or revoking such license.
(c) In any instance in which a person's license is suspended or
revoked under paragraph (a) or (b) of this subdivision, such person
shall surrender such license to the appropriate licensing official and
any and all firearms, rifles, or shotguns owned or possessed by such
person shall be surrendered to an appropriate law enforcement agency as
provided in subparagraph (f) of paragraph one of subdivision a of
section 265.20 of this chapter. In the event such license, firearm,
shotgun, or rifle is not surrendered, such items shall be removed and
declared a nuisance and any police officer or peace officer acting
pursuant to his or her special duties is authorized to remove any and
all such weapons

Thank you for clarifying that @Cippee .

 

[Shadow2]

thanks for hunting that down ... Now do i read that correctly they don't even need a reason they can revoke your permit at will.

I've gone over this a dozen times on the other forum having you licence revoked does not automaticity cause long gun seizure.
Only if the cause of the revocation would also ban long gun ownership. Mental health, felony, or serious offense. Here is the section of law the deals with it. Notice the highlighted part.

11. License: revocation and suspension. (a) The conviction of a
licensee anywhere of a felony or serious offense or a licensee at any
time becoming ineligible to obtain a license under this section shall
operate as a revocation of the license. A license may be revoked or
suspended as provided for in section 530.14 of the criminal procedure
law or section eight hundred forty-two-a of the family court act. Except
for a license issued pursuant to section 400.01 of this article, a
license may be revoked and cancelled at any time in the city of New
York, and in the counties of Nassau and Suffolk, by the licensing
officer, and elsewhere than in the city of New York by any judge or
justice of a court of record; a license issued pursuant to section
400.01 of this article may be revoked and cancelled at any time by the
licensing officer or any judge or justice of a court of record. The
official revoking a license shall give written notice thereof without
unnecessary delay to the executive department, division of state police,
Albany, and shall also notify immediately the duly constituted police
authorities of the locality.
(b) Whenever the director of community services or his or her designee
makes a report pursuant to section 9.46 of the mental hygiene law, the
division of criminal justice services shall convey such information,
whenever it determines that the person named in the report possession s a
license issued pursuant to this section, to the appropriate licensing
official, who shall issue an order suspending or revoking such license.
(c) In any instance in which a person's license is suspended or
revoked under paragraph (a) or (b) of this subdivision, such person
shall surrender such license to the appropriate licensing official and
any and all firearms, rifles, or shotguns owned or possessed by such
person shall be surrendered to an appropriate law enforcement agency as
provided in subparagraph (f) of paragraph one of subdivision a of
section 265.20 of this chapter. In the event such license, firearm,
shotgun, or rifle is not surrendered, such items shall be removed and
declared a nuisance and any police officer or peace officer acting
pursuant to his or her special duties is authorized to remove any and
all such weapons

 

[Cippee]

thanks for hunting that down ... Now do i read that correctly they don't even need a reason they can revoke your permit at will.

If you read sec 530 of cpl it has guidelines but yeah they can basically.