Nation wide reciprocal carry?

[Day444]

Was there a collective smoke cloud blown up our asses? What if anything is going on with allowing us citizens to carry through out the USA? Some negative news now and then but nothing on the positive side.
Maybe it's just to early in the "New Administration" for this to be an issue at this time?

 

[kev74]

Trump said he'd sign national reciprocity when it hits his desk. I believe him.

Our do nothing congress, who has the field all to themselves, is too scared to act on the promises they made before the election.

 

[speedkills27]

if its not done by mid terms, kiss it good bye. I think the Dems are going to win strong this mid term election

 

[Jem45472]

if its not done by mid terms, kiss it good bye. I think the Dems are going to win strong this mid term election

Yes, I see it coming.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nationwide

 

[Bananabandit]

Is on your side

 

[Frankly]

There is no reason for the politicians to use their political capital to do anything for you once you've voted for them. Then next election you'll vote for them again because the Democrats are worse. If the Democrats win in 2018 then that's good too, because donations to gun rights organizations like the NRA will sky rocket and they can hire and spend more.

Why would a pro-2A politician or organization do anything more than necessary to get your donations made in fear of the alternative?

Likewise the anti-gunners don't want a compromise or resolution. If they succeed in banning guns then they're out of work and the Democrats loose a revenue stream. That would be foolish.

The best we can hope for is to maintain the status-quo. Both sides will volley back and forth with secondary issues to keep the topic alive and maximize outcry and impulsive contributions.

We need to change the narrative ~ if CCW holders clearly stopped terrorist attacks or school shootings then the Antis would be forced into a narrative collapse and gun control would become indefensible. But that would have to be a dramatic and very lucky chain of events... I hope it happens.

 

[Kent Goldings]

There is no state-by-state correlation between gun murder and gun ownership. An internet search will yield enough raw data so that any freshman statistics student can do the calculations.

I think politicians of all sides enjoy having the issue around on Election Day.

 

[spat]

There is no reason for the politicians to use their political capital to do anything for you once you've voted for them. Then next election you'll vote for them again because the Democrats are worse. If the Democrats win in 2018 then that's good too, because donations to gun rights organizations like the NRA will sky rocket and they can hire and spend more.

Why would a pro-2A politician or organization do anything more than necessary to get your donations made in fear of the alternative?

Likewise the anti-gunners don't want a compromise or resolution. If they succeed in banning guns then they're out of work and the Democrats loose a revenue stream. That would be foolish.

The best we can hope for is to maintain the status-quo. Both sides will volley back and forth with secondary issues to keep the topic alive and maximize outcry and impulsive contributions.

We need to change the narrative ~ if CCW holders clearly stopped terrorist attacks or school shootings then the Antis would be forced into a narrative collapse and gun control would become indefensible. But that would have to be a dramatic and very lucky chain of events... I hope it happens.

Attacks that are stopped dont make the news.

CCWers have stopped attacks. But since they didnt turn into mass casualty events, and theydont fit the narrative that the MSM is spinning they don't get far.

 

[Podmonkey]

This type of thing takes a long time, I think you all are being overly pessimistic. I always did think this was a long shot to begin with, but we just have to wait. And keep up the pressure.

 

[SteyrAug]

You are smoking dope. It will never be voted on in Congress and even were it to pass, Blue states would tie it up in courts for years (see Heller). The socialists have to keep the people disarmed or they could not rule.

 

[Podmonkey]

You are smoking dope. It will never be voted on in Congress and even were it to pass, Blue states would tie it up in courts for years (see Heller). The socialists have to keep the people disarmed or they could not rule.

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With that kind of attitude, yup.

 

[SteyrAug]

Give me a date it will be in place and agree to donate $10/day to the NRA after that date has passed and it has not. LMAO !

 

[Podmonkey]

Give me a date it will be in place and agree to donate $10/day to the NRA after that date has passed and it has not. LMAO !

What do you want me to say? Hope is something I've rediscovered since I've left NY. I can only hope. And email, write, and call. And vote.

 

[Saltwater60]

if its not done by mid terms, kiss it good bye. I think the Dems are going to win strong this mid term election

Not sure about the win strong if the repubs get out and vote, but I have no confidence in this administration or any others. Nothing will get any better only worse.

 

[Jsmegs77]

Attacks that are stopped dont make the news.

CCWers have stopped attacks. But since they didnt turn into mass casualty events, and theydont fit the narrative that the MSM is spinning they don't get far.

This. If it bleeds it leads. Unless it's the actual criminal bleeding, then it's shoveled away into a hole, never to be heard of again.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

There is no reason for the politicians to use their political capital to do anything for you once you've voted for them. Then next election you'll vote for them again because the Democrats are worse. If the Democrats win in 2018 then that's good too, because donations to gun rights organizations like the NRA will sky rocket and they can hire and spend more.

Why would a pro-2A politician or organization do anything more than necessary to get your donations made in fear of the alternative?

Likewise the anti-gunners don't want a compromise or resolution. If they succeed in banning guns then they're out of work and the Democrats loose a revenue stream. That would be foolish.

The best we can hope for is to maintain the status-quo. Both sides will volley back and forth with secondary issues to keep the topic alive and maximize outcry and impulsive contributions.

We need to change the narrative ~ if CCW holders clearly stopped terrorist attacks or school shootings then the Antis would be forced into a narrative collapse and gun control would become indefensible. But that would have to be a dramatic and very lucky chain of events... I hope it happens.

Getting real tired of the bullshit dog and pony gun rights/gun ban show. Only in America can your rights be for sale or rather, can you make a living off of the false idea that somehow you can infringe or manipulate the law to profit off of other peoples suffering. Whether it be a huge organization like the NRA getting donations out of fear and pouring money into lawsuits and legislation or the local FFL who also profits from fear and anti gun administrations. Our founding documents were pretty clear in their intent and if there is any confusion, one only needs to take into account the context under which these documents were written. I'm all for a free market, but some things just shouldn't be for profit and our rights are definitely among those things. This all comes back to the loss of civics being taught in our schools. Civil rights are not a left or right issue. They are the infrastructure upon which our country and national identity are built. The Bill of Rights and our Constitution are THEE unifying documents that bind us as a people and as a nation. We (not most of us here, but the country as a whole) have lost understanding and subsequently, appreciation for that unifying infrastructure and now we are seeing the results of letting that all fall to the wayside. We must get it back somehow.

 

[Defilade]

if its not done by mid terms, kiss it good bye. I think the Dems are going to win strong this mid term election

Maybe according to who? CNN? Dems have been doing nothing but losing big since 2010.

 

[SteyrAug]

Two possible outcomes:

1. Dems take back Congress in 2018, impeach & convict Trump, Pence is in, we slide back into the Bush/Obama decline to a second rate nation (see UK). Debt continues to skyrocket until world economies collapse.

2. GOP holds on, Left goes off the edge, riots, looting, mass insurrection, Trump declares martial law, re-education camps open. (See Germany 1932)

 

[Podmonkey]

Two possible outcomes:

1. Dems take back Congress in 2018, impeach & convict Trump, Pence is in, we slide back into the Bush/Obama decline to a second rate nation (see UK). Debt continues to skyrocket until world economies collapse.

2. GOP holds on, Left goes off the edge, riots, looting, mass insurrection, Trump declares martial law, re-education camps open. (See Germany 1932)

Oh, please.

 

[nortatoga]

I didn't think Courier was so old!

 

[Cooolone]

Two possible outcomes:

1. Dems take back Congress in 2018, impeach & convict Trump, Pence is in, we slide back into the Bush/Obama decline to a second rate nation (see UK). Debt continues to skyrocket until world economies collapse.

2. GOP holds on, Left goes off the edge, riots, looting, mass insurrection, Trump declares martial law, re-education camps open. (See Germany 1932)

Drink much?.... KoolAid?

GOP holds on to what? They didn't win the election, Trump did! It could've been Joe the Plumber in all reality. Everyone but the people who love handouts and the Govt to do for them what they can't do themselves, voted for the other guy NOT from politics!

That comes with some baggage... But it's only you Koolaid drinkers that think they even know why Hitlery lost. Fact is fact... The disenfranchised voter spoke it this election and as much as they keep trying to play it down, it scared the establishment to its core. Now, the immediate result is they have to deal with an unpredictable outsider for 4 years, no telling what stones he may unturn. But the GOP isn't losing anything, and the trend has been just the opposite, except if you read the media. Same goes for the incessant cry for Impeachment, basically as soon as he won the election, completely hysterical... Dem's aren't taking anything back until they can exhibit some sort of leadership and performance that they can actually DO something other than evoke ghosts and goblins and bogeymen to justify their existence on how ONLY they can help you, ONLY they can fix things. They glance over the fact that after 8 years of their darling poster child screwing the Americanp ublic over, they lost control of everything!

You sir, need help!

 

[speedkills27]

Maybe according to who? CNN? Dems have been doing nothing but losing big since 2010.

the Democrat base is energized. The midterms will be a referendum on Trump and all those wack job liberals will be out to vote in force, remember "RESIST!'

 

[Podmonkey]

the Democrat base is energized. The midterms will be a referendum on Trump and all those wack job liberals will be out to vote in force, remember "RESIST!'

I don't know. It could be that conservatives are just as energized by Trumps victory. I also have hope that the appalling and downright criminal behavior of the radical left has completely alienated their more moderate base.

 

[Defilade]

I think Trump's ratings would go through the roof if Sessions started doing his job and started indicting the Swamp creatures on a regular basis. Corruption is at every turn in Government.

 

[speedkills27]

I don't know. It could be that conservatives are justbas energized by Trumps victory. I also have hope that the appalling and downright criminal behavoir of the radical left has completely alienated their more moderate base.

I hope your right, I really do...

 

[kev74]

the Democrat base is energized. The midterms will be a referendum on Trump and all those wack job liberals will be out to vote in force, remember "RESIST!'

I don't think the base is energized. The media is energized, and the paid agitators are out in force.

But I think the democratic base is still disenchanted with all the scum-baggery the dems pulled in the last election.

 

[Phazer]

the Democrat base is energized. The midterms will be a referendum on Trump and all those wack job liberals will be out to vote in force, remember "RESIST!'

This is true of the out-of-power minority party in every midterm election. Nothing new.

 

[SJ42]

Never going to happen.And if it did ,states would make up there own laws and shove it in the peoples ass. You would have a better chance of seeing every female in" Gunners Bar" parade up your street naked . Wake up sheeple , reciprocity carry is never going to happen.

 

[Edwardteach72]

As of June 21st 2017 the house bill had 199 cosponsors (a bill needs 218 votes to pass, in short)
Then it goes to the Senate and would need 51 votes, then POTUS would need to sign.

At the same time the Senate has introduced their own, very very similar, bill which currently has 37 cosponsors

Granted both would probably be forced into the 60% rule which would need 261 votes and 60 votes respectfully