Active Shooter Mandalay Bay

[Airborneguy]

They probably received hundreds, if not thousands of 911 calls on this. We get 10 sometimes on a bad car accident alone. People don’t realize (not their fault, don’t take my comment that way) that this actually makes things far worse and harder to sort out. Las Vegas PD definitely doesn’t have as many 911 operators as NYC. I’m sure they had a hard time sorting through the calls to decide what was relevant to the responders and what wasn’t.

An event like this creates mass confusion immediately. How many cops were busy just simply clearing the area? Think about it. 22,000 plus people, the vast majority just running around. 500+ requiring medical assistance. It was certainly pure choas. At some point quickly into the shooting, the responders dealing with the crowds were likely on their own to make decisions while specialized units going after the shooter became the focus. Plus they have to move slowly in ccase there are multiple shooters. I’m sure no one expected to find it was one guy until his body was found and the shooting stopped.

 

[Phazer]

Bethel wants to know why it took over an hour to take Paddock down. Police received their first report of gunfire at the music festival at 10:08 p.m.

LVPD state that shooting had ceased by 10:19pm. So, they shifted to "barricade situation" from "active shooter" and had time to set up their breach action.

 

[tirwin1]

Why on earth would he expect the front desk of either the Mandalay or the hotel across the street to do something? Is the average front desk clerk an expert at crisis shooting events? Exactly what were the clerks supposed to do with that information?

In all the videos I have seen it is clear the scene was one of mass confusion. Most people did not know where the shooting was coming from. I expect the police received a lot of information from different people about the location of the shooter. In the police scanner there is talk of a shooter at the actual concert.

 

[Airborneguy]

A big part of the “what about this though?” and “why do the ‘facts’ keep changing?” crowd is that a lot of people can’t separate opinion news (the talking heads, on call “experts”, etc) from reported findings of the investigation. Not to mention this type of investigation changes quickly and often, and even the people in charge nowadays fall victim to putting out details too quickly.

Reality is the head PD people when dealing with stuff like this should only say “we’re still investigating all the evidence” for days after the event. Every press conference prior to hard conclusions just feeds the conspiracy element as facts change or, more appropriately, develop.

 

[holdover]

Its the complete lack of information and relying on witnesses and bad reporters, that cause conspiracy. facts dispel any conspiracy

In defense of the police , They are going in dark , they have no idea what they are walking into. IS this a group of terrorists? are they waiting to ambush police near the lobby ? are there bombs in the building? will they throw grenades at police? they have no idea what to expect.

Im not sure how swat handled this, but basic police procedure is that one room is cleared before advancing to the next room so a shooter?shooters ? cannot move in behind them , I know there is no way they could have or would have checked all the rooms , so they are moving with their rear exposed , and they are aware of it. Police reports are coming that there are shots from multiple floors

From first impressions knowing what we know,it would seem easy enough to run up the stairs and secure the 32 floor close in on the room and take the guy down in a short time , The reality is, they have no idea whats going on. They're acting on very limited information.

On the other hand your right Guy, the Calvary isn't coming in time to save you

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

So it looks more and more that this is a pretty straight forward event (motive aside). No 4th floor shooter, no black ops etc etc. Just a ton of confusion. As was already said jumping to conclusions just incubates the potential for cockamamie conspiracy theories. And we still only know relatively little at this point. This will take quite some time to paint a full picture.

 

[SigSweet]

Why on earth would he expect the front desk of either the Mandalay or the hotel across the street to do something? Is the average front desk clerk an expert at crisis shooting events? Exactly what were the clerks supposed to do with that information?

In all the videos I have seen it is clear the scene was one of mass confusion. Most people did not know where the shooting was coming from. I expect the police received a lot of information from different people about the location of the shooter. In the police scanner there is talk of a shooter at the actual concert.

I remember reading he had trouble getting through to 911 or whatnot

He said he called the front desk to tell them to inform first responders coming in the door where the gunfire was coming from... makes sense to me

 

[ECU Pirates]

So you want the average NYPD cop to carry them at all times then because that's what you are saying.

Don't tell me what I'm saying tinfoil Will! Having access does not = carry at all times. In an active shooter situation you can get it out of a rack and stop the threat.

 

[ECU Pirates]

72 minutes to locate and engage this madman, who's pumping 1000s of rounds down on a crowd??

Who thinks a guy could open up in Times Square for over an hour, without being engaged?

Whether it was the ACA Shootings here in Binghamton, or this tragedy in Vegas, the cavalry isn't coming.

Sad but true. ACA swat guys got all dressed up and.....did nothing.

 

[Marine Cpl]

A big part of the “what about this though?” and “why do the ‘facts’ keep changing?” crowd is that a lot of people can’t separate opinion news (the talking heads, on call “experts”, etc) from reported findings of the investigation. Not to mention this type of investigation changes quickly and often, and even the people in charge nowadays fall victim to putting out details too quickly.

Reality is the head PD people when dealing with stuff like this should only say “we’re still investigating all the evidence” for days after the event. Every press conference prior to hard conclusions just feeds the conspiracy element as facts change or, more appropriately, develop.

I can agree with that. Facts do change and the media is no help when they put up fake experts who don't know their ass from their elbow and call magazines clips and say that drum clips are heavily regulated by the ATF just so they can sound relevant and put out content first.

I believe this happened unlike Sandy Hook though. Those facts given where just preposterous along with lack of access to the facts and archives, gag orders, questionable victim's parents, and impossibility of certain facts.

I'm seeing a total 180 with this one. Actual victims with wounds, hospital access, believability of hardware used, amateur videos of the event and aftermath posted, X-rays of wounds, credible eyewitness accounts that match the events as told by countless others, recorded radio audio, ECT.

The only BS is the ISIS angle. That guy is ANTIFA through and through. They just don't want to admit it out of fear for repercussions.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Valium didn't cause anything, but its an interesting coincidence that every one of these scumbag murderers have been prescribed a psychotropic medication.

Not everyone and maybe it's because they were/are mentally ill? You ever wonder if there would be more shootings without people being medicated? I have seen people helped greatly by ssri's.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Don't tell me what I'm saying tinfoil Will! Having access does not = carry at all times. In an active shooter situation you can get it out of a rack and stop the threat.

Shows how much you know about the NYPD. Most aren't in cars.

Tinfoil. Please. Sandy Hook is the only one I said didn't happen.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

This keeps getting crazier by the day. From what I have read so far, the shooter does not strike me as someone who was radicalized by ISIS.

Was he possibly a radicalized whack job with ANTIFA leanings who decided to take out a bunch of conservatives? I have a good feeling that is very possibly the case.

I also find it interesting that the video of someone who looked like him, - as well as his girlfriend, or perhaps a Hispanic looking woman standing next to him (I watched the video before it was removed) in Reno at an anti Trump protest has suddenly been taken down from YouTube. Does it still exist anywhere, or has it completely vanished? Update: just found it again at this site. Footage of Stephen Paddock at anti-Trump protest in Reno, NV?

Also, it is curious that a Hispanic looking woman has been repeatedly reported by various persons as having warned concert goers about an hour before the concert that they were all going to die, AND now someone has posted a copy of a hotel receipt showing food and beverage service for 2 people in his room.

What I really want to know, is where the hell is all of the video from the hotel? We should be able to see people coming and going, and easily determine if there was anyone else involved with him.

 

[SigSweet]

This keeps getting crazier by the day. From what I have read so far, the shooter does not strike me as someone who was radicalized by ISIS.

Was he possibly a radicalized whack job with ANTIFA leanings who decided to take out a bunch of conservatives? I have a good feeling that is very possibly the case.

I also find it interesting that the video of someone who looked like him, - as well as his girlfriend, or perhaps a Hispanic looking woman standing next to him (I watched the video before it was removed) in Reno at an anti Trump protest has suddenly been taken down from YouTube. Does it still exist anywhere, or has it completely vanished?

Also, it is curious that a Hispanic looking woman has been repeatedly reported by various persons as having warned concert goers about an hour before the concert that they were all going to die, AND now someone has posted a copy of a hotel receipt showing food and beverage service for 2 people in his room.

What I really want to know, is where the hell is all of the video from the hotel? We should be able to see people coming and going, and easily determine if there was anyone else involved with him.

Saw that about the hotel receipt, i dont think the dates match up with when they were saying he checked in, I believe i read the receipt was one day earlier than the news is reporting he showed up to the hotel and went on a gambling spree

It has his name and room number matching, i could have easily eaten that meal myself though so even though the receipt says guests:2, that might just be a auto filled in piece

 

[ECU Pirates]

Shows how much you know about the NYPD. Most aren't in cars.

Tinfoil. Please. Sandy Hook is the only one I said didn't happen.

Actually thinking sandy hook didn't happen makes you beyond tin foil in my opinion. I don't know much about the NYPD but I do know they have over 9,000 vehicles. I also doubt the Staten Island cops are walking.

 

[DoD1776]

God, I was loving this thread then it took off like a rocket ship, I can't keep up with it now

 

[Marine Cpl]

Actually thinking sandy hook didn't happen makes you beyond tin foil in my opinion. I don't know much about the NYPD but I do know they have over 9,000 vehicles. I also doubt the Staten Island cops are walking.

Most Precinct cops have vehicles. Some don't. The others in transit and housing do not really and are predominantly on foot. They have vehicles but the majority are on foot. Staten Island is a different animal. That's New Jersey in my opinion. It doesn't resemble NYC at all.

I don't want to derail this thread too much so if you want to discuss Sandy Hook, create another thread. Holdover and I will demolish whatever you put up there.

 

[livingston]

RETRACTED: Paddock's Girlfriend Used Two Social Security Numbers and Was Married to Two Men at the Same Time
By Newsweek Staff On 10/3/17 at 7:00 PM
Newsweek has retracted its story that reviewed the public records of Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock.

The initial report was based on many public records, but included an error that came to light after publication when a family member came forward.

Danley remains a "person of interest" in the shooting investigation of 59 people, including the gunman, Sunday night in Las Vegas.
RETRACTION: Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock's girlfriend Marilou Danley was married to two men at once, used two SSNs

 

[ECU Pirates]

I don't want to derail this thread too much so if you want to discuss Sandy Hook, create another thread. Holdover and I will demolish whatever you put up there.

HAHA
I have video of you clowns....


I will just post this and win the "sandy hook didn't happen thing." When has something of that magnitude involving thousands of people ever been kept a secret? People died at sandy hook.

 

[Marine Cpl]

HAHA
I have video of you clowns....


I will just post this and win the "sandy hook didn't happen thing." When has something of that magnitude involving thousands of people ever been kept a secret? People died at sandy hook.

Ok. I'll let you win so you can feel better instead of debating it in another thread.

 

[682SuperSport]

There was a shooting in Las Vegas. That's all I'm willing to believe on face value.

Agreed, the only thing anyone "knows" is what the media feeds you. Like many of the previous tragedies in this country the full story and details are hard to get a clear picture of even months after the event.

 

[tirwin1]

This is a very interesting video. Captures the first 5:30 minutes of the shooting. You can hear four separate rounds of gunfire within the first two minutes. Then there is a gap of almost 2 minutes before the next round of gunfire at roughly the four minute mark. Then the next round is at roughly the five minute mark.

If the 9-10 minute timeline of actual shooting is still valid (could be revised) then I definitely want to know the brass count in the hotel room. What occupied the shooter for 2 minutes? How many different rounds of fire did he ultimately get off if there were only 6 in the first 5:30?

Timeline, brass count and the location of the victims are the big questions in my mind right now. Even in this video you can hear the rounds but you don't see anyone actually getting hit. Very strange.

 

[CaseHardened]

UPDATES:

Stephen Paddock's body has been reported by one source to have been several days old.

A Room Service receipt, with Stephen Paddock's name on it, and with food for TWO PEOPLE is dated THREE DAYS before the date the Media claims he checked in.

16% TIP !

 

[VietnamEraVet]

UPDATES:

Stephen Paddock's body has been reported by one source to have been several days old.

A Room Service receipt, with Stephen Paddock's name on it, and with food for TWO PEOPLE is dated THREE DAYS before the date the Media claims he checked in.

16% TIP !

The days old dead body doesn't seem likely to me, especially if the picture of his dead body showing the blood streamed from his head was actually taken when they breached the room. Seems like if he had been dead for 3 days, either the blood would have been coagulated and dried up, or, if he had been dead, and then placed there, they could not have gotten the blood to flow with no heart to pump as he bled out.

Also, flies would have laid eggs in and on his body shortly after death. Coroners have multiple ways to tell how recently someone died, - unless their body was stored in a freezer for months or years like that one killer in NJ did years ago.

 

[dwa12479]

I want a count of the used brass in his hotel room. While it took the Swat team 72 minutes to arrive and blow open the door the current narrative is the actual shooting lasted for only 9-10 minutes. Close to 600 casualties in that short a period of time? Firing at full auto/close to full auto in a crowd of thousands certainly increased the chances of hitting people. But that seems an awfully short period of time for so many casualties. I have no military experience so would be interested in the opinion of our current or ex military members.

The vast majority of injuries was from the crowd stampeding each other while fleeing.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Ok. I'll let you win so you can feel better instead of debating it in another thread.

I accept your surrender. Didn't you also say Bin Laden was not killed? I could be wrong on that one. It's also tinny.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

CNN is reporting that the shooter purchased 33 guns between October 2016 and September 2017. Hmmmnn....

I'll venture a guess here: I would bet that he was a radicalized liberal, - a violent anti-Trumper who lost it, and decided to attack a bunch of conservatives. I'd also bet he is the guy shown in the anti-Trump RENO protest video, - and it is his girlfriend next to him.

And I'm pretty damn sure I'll be proved right on this.

 

[CaseHardened]

CNN is reporting that the shooter purchased 33 guns between October 2016 and September 2017. Hmmmnn....

I'll venture a guess here: I would bet that he was a radicalized liberal, - a violent anti-Trumper who lost it, and decided to attack a bunch of conservatives. I'd also bet he is the guy shown in the anti-Trump RENO protest video, - and it is his girlfriend next to him.

And I'm pretty damn sure I'll be proved right on this.

It's been reported Stephen Paddock initially had his sights on an EVEN LARGER C&W event, further north. But appropriate Rooms were unavailable.

As you said, this has ANTI-TRUMP ALT-LEFT all over it.

Which is why it's dropping off the radar in less than a week.

The Media is desperate to get back to the BS that Trump hates Puerto Rico.

 

[Darth]

UPDATES:

Stephen Paddock's body has been reported by one source to have been several days old.

A Room Service receipt, with Stephen Paddock's name on it, and with food for TWO PEOPLE is dated THREE DAYS before the date the Media claims he checked in.

16% TIP !

$10 for a bottle of water!?

 

[kev74]

$10 for a bottle of water!?

Off topic. Sorry.