NY SAFE Act And Its Recertification Fiasco

[ArmedCorgi]

So let me get this straight,,, just a second my head is spinning. LOL
This is almost getting to the point of being unbelievable if we weren't actually living it.

There will be so much to keep straight regarding the following list below. That I may have some events out of order.
And I probably forgot some stuff and some of it may be incorrect but I'll do my best.

1.) The NY UNSAFE Act is rushed through in the middle of the night by the state legislature without consideration of whether it would criminalize law enforcement officers... Also using the message of necessity. (when there was no emergency)

2.) We protest, A cardboard cut out of an AR15 gets confiscated by the NYSP, And FUAC gets upset about the grass.
Then the pro 2A gun groups get in a spat about who is responsible for paying for the busses or parking.

3.) "NY Shooter" goes on his rah rah campaign and gets people involved in a class action lawsuit or whatever the fuck that shit was all about,,, and then NY Shooter just disappears.

4.) 52 of the state’s 62 counties, passed resolutions opposing the law.

5.) The NYS Sheriff's Association publicly states that they oppose the NY UNSAFE Act. Many County Sheriff's state that
their department will not be enforcing the unconstitutional law.

6.)There is no such thing as 7 round magazines so FUAC grudgingly relents on that but sais that we can only load 7 rounds in our 10 round magazines. Then the court rules that we can now load 10 rounds in our 10 round magazines. But there is confusion whether or not that means the entire state or just the western district.

7.) Muzzle Brake is spelled wrong in the law. So the court gives us a freebee for a while.

8.) FUAC plans on using NICS for NYS ammo background checks and the Feds tell Andy to pound sand.
But the ban on ammo purchases from the internet is still in place.

9.) Corrupt NYS courts.

10.) NY UNSAFE Act (help website?) and the penal code is never brought up to date to reflect any changes that has been made regarding the law.

11.) HIPPA laws are violated.

12.) The United States Department of Veteran Affairs announced that it will not follow the provision of the NY SAFE Act requiring mental health professionals to report patients who seem more likely to hurt themselves or others.

13.) Confusion on what is "permanent" and what is not. (The Albion Gun Shop fiasco) only added to the confusion when
the NYSP said that as long as a bullet button is epoxied only added to the confusion.

14.) Only a 4% compliance rate regarding the registration of "so called" assault rifles.

15.) NYS Pistol Permit recertification disaster...

15.) NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify, according to a spokesman.


This list shows what a total and complete clusterfuck Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act is... And I'm sure that I forgot some stuff.
How in the hell has the NY UNSAFE Act not have been repealed in it's entirety by this time?
I wouldn't believe this is happening if I wasn't living it... A star needs to come off the American flag.

Because the donkey party never admits fault. They are probably loving how much confusion this law has caused.

 

[dubleuhb]

So with all these numbers they have here of people not complying, are they being defiant or not informed I wonder ? 50/50 ?

This is the part of the law (recert) that has the ability to get it challenged. No way they could ever try any legal repercussions on a rifle you may or may not have that wasn't registered. That would look silly after finding rifles made compliant and lawyers would have a field day with it.

Now if those numbers are correct, or say a certain percentage are dead or living in another state, I think 10% would be high, then that leaves one hell of a lot of people to arrest.

I don't know what the FUAC is going to do I'm willing to bet some legal bills will be mounting.

 

[dubleuhb]

I said it before, these reps calling for an extension are missing an opportunity with this or they are with FUAC and OK with the law.

 

[holdover]

The law enforcement man power required to enforce this insane piece of shit law would be Ginormous. LE has better things to do than Cuomo's paperwork for a law that only affects the law abiding citizen and does nothing to stop actual crime. The courts would be plugged up for the next three years on bullshit crimes. Its just like Cuomo, it's never gonna work.

You think the king is really going to start throwing people in jail just before his big election debut? He has high hopes.

 

[FrankenCub]

16.) NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify.

So, if there is any truth to this, they may not come directly for you're permit and subsequently all firearms, but once asked to see your permit for whatever reason and it comes back as not recertified, my money is on them taking it on the spot.

And lets get right down and dirty. All the keyboard warriors talking up not recertifying, post up who has a permit and is NOT got to recertify.
I'm not being any kind of elitist or fudd, I'm looking at a bigger picture if I play that game and come out on the loosing end, no PP and the rest of my firearms confiscated. Hell of a lot of good the 2nd will do me then when those Rights are stripped from me.

 

[FrankenCub]

You think the king is really going to start throwing people in jail just before his big election debut? He has high hopes.

Why wouldn't he? His backers in NYC, Ithaca, and Rochester will be out in droves thinking their dear emperor is doing great. We have very little representation north of the Pa/NY border.

 

[holdover]

""And lets get right down and dirty. All the keyboard warriors talking up not recertifying, post up who has a permit and is NOT got to recertify.""

I do not have a permit therefore I do not own a handgun, nor do I have to recertify or certify. See how that works? no permit= no handgun. simple. Cuomo doesn't abide by the constitution and I don't abide by Cuomo. Outlaws don't abide by the law remember? Shall not be infringed, is being infringed . when are you going to step up? I have chosen an alternate path. Because Im really really really tough, And I also know it is wrong. Special permission to own a weapon was never the intention of the 2nd A.

A few years ago this tyrannical fucktard of man , made a lot of people in NYS criminals by decree, in total violation of the law. I simply embraced it .Im not playing mother may I with this asshole. You want to stay law abiding in a criminal state its your decision .but don't cry about how bad the law is when you're complying with it. How embarrassing is it that you guys were the first ones in line? You sound like old women. Your complying , so go sit down. You have no right to complain. In any case, the NYS police said that they wont enforce it So its no big deal now anyway. The rest of the state wont even bother. The cops wont even bother , unless of course you really did something bad.

Heres a quote from one of my favorite criminals ""Free men don't ask for permission."" -Sammy the bull Adams. Original Tough guy.



“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with. -Atlas Shrugged

 

[holdover]

Why wouldn't he? His backers in NYC, Ithaca, and Rochester will be out in droves thinking their dear emperor is doing great. We have very little representation north of the Pa/NY border.

10,000 reasons why . Hes not concerned with his backers in NY , Hes concerned with DC. How do you think hes going to look to the rest of the gun owning country when his jails are full of old ladies and Dads? You think they want to bring that shit to their state? Hes looking down the road , hes concerned about himself.

 

[FrankenCub]

I do not have a permit therefore I do not own a handgun, nor do I have to recertify or certify. See how that works? no permit= no handgun.

In there is the difference. I've had my pistol permit for 26 years because I wanted handguns and was really into shooting comps. More states require a PP than don't. There's others here that are on the don't comply bandwagon that do have permits, bet they'll recertify.
I still don't think he's even concerned with DC, how many representatives are truly steadfast in their support for the 2nd? Most of them talk a good game then cave when it counts. Unless there's a major turn around in our politics I don't see it going well for conservatives in general unless you're in select states.

 

[livingston]

The reason why they say we will not enforce this recertification law (for now ) would be they don't have enough jail cells and courts to handle the case load ... pure and simple . In the future going forward is it ... We know you have an illegal handgun after the neighbor calls the cops because you had an argument with him ? .. Will your out of state permit be valid. ? .. Now that is a great question . The way the law is written .. All your guns must be surrendered .. ... Serious stuff ... At the same level as a felony ?.. Then are you a "known felon " ? State police knows that you did not "recert "
How about if one fills out a NICS form . If one decides to purchase another handgun .. How about 11.d on that form if at a later date you decide to move . One can say for now ... In most cases .. we will ignore this ... How many hundreds of other laws that are on the books for years that they will charge you with. Years ago at 2 am I was pulled over for a nonworking headlight . .. I was put into the back seat of that patrol car while the officer ran everything . Ok Ok ... for the safety of the officer thing . get it . What if it happens again and I have a handgun on me . ... And up on that screen officer John friendly sees you own a handgun and he really wants that gun in his possession before you sit in that back seat. Now this officer just 6 months on the job looking to get a few hundred arrests under his belt. Has been told to "go by the book " .... works for that small village .. Hopes to work for the county or even the state . Are we really this stupid to believe that he will not enforce this law. ?... He has been handing out tickets all night long for little things like a plate light not working .... He looks at you and looks at the screen looks at you ... looks at the screen ... I get me a felon tonight ... Boss man going to be real happy .

 

[Robin]

I don't argue politics with people that don't vote. I don't argue the status of pistol permits with those that don't have one.
Robin

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nope, And you sure as hell aint blending in when you have a paper trail to your door either. Might as well chip you while their at it .

Joining the Nazis to hide from the Nazis isn't my thing

Except you already did and will again the next time you but handgun.

Edit. You don't have a permit. Go fuck yourself and call someone else a dress wearing pansy.

 

[spat]

More states require a PP than don't.

Almost no states require a permit to *own* a pistol.

 

[nortatoga]

Except you already did and will again the next time you but handgun.

He doesn't have a pistol license!! He has said it many times in this thread!!!

 

[Marine Cpl]

He doesn't have a pistol license!! He has said it many times in this thread!!!

Yes. I got that now. It's been edited. LEOSA or none at all.

 

[nortatoga]

The reason why they say we will not enforce this recertification law (for now ) would be they don't have enough jail cells and courts to handle the case load ... pure and simple . In the future going forward is it ... We know you have an illegal handgun after the neighbor calls the cops because you had an argument with him ? .. Will your out of state permit be valid. ? .. Now that is a great question . The way the law is written .. All your guns must be surrendered .. ... Serious stuff ... At the same level as a felony ?.. Then are you a "known felon " ? State police knows that you did not "recert "
How about if one fills out a NICS form . If one decides to purchase another handgun .. How about 11.d on that form if at a later date you decide to move . One can say for now ... In most cases .. we will ignore this ... How many hundreds of other laws that are on the books for years that they will charge you with. Years ago at 2 am I was pulled over for a nonworking headlight . .. I was put into the back seat of that patrol car while the officer ran everything . Ok Ok ... for the safety of the officer thing . get it . What if it happens again and I have a handgun on me . ... And up on that screen officer John friendly sees you own a handgun and he really wants that gun in his possession before you sit in that back seat. Now this officer just 6 months on the job looking to get a few hundred arrests under his belt. Has been told to "go by the book " .... works for that small village .. Hopes to work for the county or even the state . Are we really this stupid to believe that he will not enforce this law. ?... He has been handing out tickets all night long for little things like a plate light not working .... He looks at you and looks at the screen looks at you ... looks at the screen ... I get me a felon tonight ... Boss man going to be real happy .

This could very well happen!!

Also better buy all the long guns you are every going to want now!! Once the State reports you to the FBI, do you think they will OK a NICS for someone in violation of their pistol license?

 

[Marine Cpl]

The reason why they say we will not enforce this recertification law (for now ) would be they don't have enough jail cells and courts to handle the case load ... pure and simple . In the future going forward is it ... We know you have an illegal handgun after the neighbor calls the cops because you had an argument with him ? .. Will your out of state permit be valid. ? .. Now that is a great question . The way the law is written .. All your guns must be surrendered .. ... Serious stuff ... At the same level as a felony ?.. Then are you a "known felon " ? State police knows that you did not "recert "
How about if one fills out a NICS form . If one decides to purchase another handgun .. How about 11.d on that form if at a later date you decide to move . One can say for now ... In most cases .. we will ignore this ... How many hundreds of other laws that are on the books for years that they will charge you with. Years ago at 2 am I was pulled over for a nonworking headlight . .. I was put into the back seat of that patrol car while the officer ran everything . Ok Ok ... for the safety of the officer thing . get it . What if it happens again and I have a handgun on me . ... And up on that screen officer John friendly sees you own a handgun and he really wants that gun in his possession before you sit in that back seat. Now this officer just 6 months on the job looking to get a few hundred arrests under his belt. Has been told to "go by the book " .... works for that small village .. Hopes to work for the county or even the state . Are we really this stupid to believe that he will not enforce this law. ?... He has been handing out tickets all night long for little things like a plate light not working .... He looks at you and looks at the screen looks at you ... looks at the screen ... I get me a felon tonight ... Boss man going to be real happy .

Most people are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. They only think on the now or maybe 1 step ahead but fail to see 3 to 10 steps ahead and all around them.

They are stupid. They see NYSP will not enforce! Yippie. What about the Game Warden? Town cop? Sheriff? What happens when you are involved in a shooting and the DA is being politically correct? What if the Grand Jury is compromised of minorities? Will the lawyer for the guy you shot ignore that your permit isn't valid?

Some people here really are incapable of thinking.

 

[holdover]

Except you already did and will again the next time you but handgun.

Edit. You don't have a permit. Go fuck yourself and call someone else a dress wearing pansy.

Im not stupid enough to have one, I made other arrangements that I can not discuss.

At least Im not bending over and complying

Most people are incapable of seeing the bigger picture. They only think on the now or maybe 1 step ahead but fail to see 3 to 10 steps ahead and all around them.

They are stupid. They see NYSP will not enforce! Yippie. What about the Game Warden? Town cop? Sheriff? What happens when you are involved in a shooting and the DA is being politically correct? What if the Grand Jury is compromised of minorities? Will the lawyer for the guy you shot ignore that your permit isn't valid?

Some people here really are incapable of thinking.

That is one of the dumbest posts you have ever made.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ask Coumo for a tissue when done bending over for him too.


Im not stupid enough to have one, I made other arrangements.


That is one of the dumbest posts you have ever made.

How so?

 

[holdover]

Jesus Christ ! I cant talk about it. use your imagination

 

[Marine Cpl]

Jesus Christ ! I cant talk about it

Try. I really want to know.

 

[holdover]

I cant, I really don't want to go to jail. Lets just say Im not following the rules. OK?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I cant, I really don't want to go to jail

Then you are no Patriot then and are talking out of your ass. Tell me how in a self defense shooting it wouldn't be used against you by the other side that your pistol license wasn't valid as per the penal law?

 

[holdover]

Says the guy who complies with an illegal law.

yes it would. I would probably be another law abiding citizen thrown in jail.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Says the guy who complies with an illegal law.

yes it would.

Says the guy who complies with NICS checks and other federal gun laws. Unless all your guns are bought from the back of a trunk in Buffalo, you comply with all illegal laws.

 

[holdover]

Something like that.

 

[holdover]

Have you ever seen me buy or sell a weapon on here after the safe act?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Have you ever seen me buy or sell a weapon on here after the safe act?

No. I don't follow your actions. Have you seen me?

 

[holdover]

Ok, I didn't . I went under the radar Will, I didn't disarm. and I didn't comply. I risked a whole hell of lot more than you did .

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ok, I didn't . I went under the radar Will, I didn't disarm. and I didn't comply. I risked a whole hell of lot more than you did .

Then you are more a man than I. Your pecker grew a few inches larger than mine. Are you proud of yourself? Everyone else isn't a man then right?

What is it that you are trying to say? Are you telling us to get rid of our guns and replace them with defaced ones from the back of a trunk to be men in your eyes?