Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Now what will you load it with? Look what it does with Federal HST.
So You Got the Ruger PC9
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What ever ammo I have on hand.
I' at work on break didn't get to watch much other than didn' penetrate enough and over expanded/fragmented..... but id like so see the standard pressure (I'm sure not much difference) and also standard 147g
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
So I watched it all.
Ummm...dont shoot a bare belly. make sure they are wearing demin.
Maybe I should stick with a rifle round and shoot whatever I feel is necessary for the situation.
Thanks for the video William II
Ummm...dont shoot a bare belly. make sure they are wearing demin.
Maybe I should stick with a rifle round and shoot whatever I feel is necessary for the situation.
Thanks for the video William II
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's why a solid bullet is so absolute and I'll never go to back to using an unpredictable hollow point.
A 65 gr+p Xtreme Defender goes 2100 fps out of a 9mm carbine. You'll get a temporary stretch cavity that becomes permanent because it's over 2000 fps and adequate penetration to boot.
A 65 gr+p Xtreme Defender goes 2100 fps out of a 9mm carbine. You'll get a temporary stretch cavity that becomes permanent because it's over 2000 fps and adequate penetration to boot.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Interesting 2100 fps!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It turns it into a 200 yard low powered rifle.
I must admit I am slowly changing my opinion of the solid copper rounds. The Ruger PC certainly presents itself as a good application for this type of ammunition. The stuff is still far to expensive though. I wonder if solid copper rounds could get down to $.50 or less a round if they were more widely manufactured?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Free yourself Pod. Hollow Points suck due to unpredictability.
They don't suck. The objective thing to say is that they have optimal performance within a narrow range of velocites.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct. Also add barriers to that narrow range of performance.
Some hollow points offer acceptable performance through barriers. The HSTS and Gold Dots among them. What are some commonly available solid copper .223/5.56 rounds? At $1 a round or less, anymore than that and the expense is simply not justified.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I posted another video in another thread of an HST fragmenting after hitting bone and almost frozen meat.
Commonly available 5.56 rounds are available online. You have the hollow point ones...
Barnes VOR-TX Ammo 5.56x45mm NATO 70 Grain TSX Hollow - MPN: 31191
And solid ones...
5.56 NATO
I don't concern myself with the price of 1 dollar a round. I spend $150 for a loadout that I'm not going to shoot. The rest is FMJ for practice and use in a pinch.
I like to practice with what I pland to use. I also like to stash 2k rounds so cost is a significant factor. I'd rather have a shit ton of good ammo than a small quantity of excellent ammo. See the thread I posted on the matter.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well then I can't help you there. Perhaps reloading should be in your future when you have time.
For me, i don't concern myself with what I shoot for practice. I don't shoot for MOA. Minute of chest is all I need for 300 yards or less and any FMJ does that.
I practice with the good stuff to reverify zeros, check for function, and to keep track of the POI relative to the practice ammo. At 100 yards the difference in POI between 55gr FMJ and 64gr Gold Dots is minimal. The Gold Dots group tighter than most bulk ammo though. I still really like the 223 Gold Dot stuff.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
What’s your guys opinions on the new polymer copper blend rounds? They have interested me since hearing about them.
My opinion is that they have great potential for providing cheap practice ammo but the price right now is too high. I have not been impressed by Ballistics tests as of yet.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
The way lead is being phased out of just about everything, the price should come down some, but copper is in high demand. Steel shot for shotguns was initially quite expensive in the 1970's and 80's
Indeed, copper is expensive. This is why I share @Saltwater60's enthusiasm for the poly blend bullets. These, combined with polymer cases could make ammo affordable again. The tech isn't quite there yet. I am very interested to see what the Army's R&D efforts along these lines come up with. I'm not holding my breath though.
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SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
In the late 70's and early 80's the Army briefly experimented with 'caseless' ammo. Fell flat.
Currently they claim to be far along in the development of a telescoped, polymer cased cartridge. Supposedly to replace the 5.56x45.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I think Will has the accuracy requirement for this rifle type and purpose pegged. Basically re-inventing the M1 Carbine using today's technology, with the added advantage of being able to use the same (extremely popular and relatively economical) ammo in both rifle and pistol (also popular concept in the Old West).
Nah the the Ruger PC dosen't have the range or power of the M1 Carbine which was a solid 200 yard Carbine. The M1s role was taken over by the M16 series. Both M1s really.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
True. I never said 'first' reinvention
My point is that the M1 Carbine and the Ruger PC, despite some external similarities of appearance, are quite different in performance, function and application.
The M1 Carbine is actually a very unique gun, it doesn't precisely fit into any category. The best category it does fit into is a PDW. The first PDW in fact.
By comparison the Ruger PC is pretty much a civilian type of a submachine gun.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I understood and understand. I put a smile/wink emoji after my statement and it didn't appear.
Gunright
.45 acp
Not to derail this thread, but anyone know if the New Yorkastan version of the PCC is available to order/in stock. I have a weakness for take-downs and would like to pick one up.
New Yorkistan version.....lol. All your missing out on is a threaded muzzle. Big deal!
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
I'm thinking one of these rifles might be fun and interesting....but much more so with a suppressor