I still support my president. Not going to stop my support because of this. Sorry., I know, very unpopular at this time.
Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'
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Dr. Evil
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You really think they are going to stop here? If we cut our loses? It will be worth it? You were correct with the first line in your first sentence.
Dr. Evil
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How many times must I post it...
spat
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People are arrested every day without a warrant.
You catch a guy breaking into a house, you do not wait for a warrant before arresting him.
They shouldn't be taking any guns away from anyone they aren't arresting though, it's just pointless. They can pick another one up inside of an hour.
The way the real world works is the cop shows up at the scene, makes the determination that either a crime was committed or a mental health detention is warranted and the person or persons are taken into custody.
I know this ....because Ive done this.
If the arrestee is a danger to themselves or others and is in.possession of firearms, they get taken subsequent to them being arrested .
Due Process is OBVIOUSLY attached.
Once the case is adjudicated, depending upon the outcome, you either get them back or you dont.
Notice I said all this happens subject to arrest NOT due to a bullshit snitch hotline used by your Doctor or false statements make by your soon to be ex wife/girlfriend .
If THIS bluebrint was followed in Parkland, 17 kids would still be alive and we wouldnt be getting blamed for something we didnt do.
I know this ....because Ive done this.
If the arrestee is a danger to themselves or others and is in.possession of firearms, they get taken subsequent to them being arrested .
Due Process is OBVIOUSLY attached.
Once the case is adjudicated, depending upon the outcome, you either get them back or you dont.
Notice I said all this happens subject to arrest NOT due to a bullshit snitch hotline used by your Doctor or false statements make by your soon to be ex wife/girlfriend .
If THIS bluebrint was followed in Parkland, 17 kids would still be alive and we wouldnt be getting blamed for something we didnt do.
The long and short of it is either Trump wants things to stay as they are, and flat out lied in this statement about wanting change (doubt it), or he knows what the current process is and wants more violations.
Who in the world would possibly think that Trump said this because he wants things to stay as they currently "work in the real world."
I get it, people can't get over the fact they were sold a con job as a president. But they will. The NRA apologists came around, and the same thing will happen here. Just takes time.
Deplorable Me
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Kind of like to think this sets the stage clearing the illegal guns out of Chicago. A-10s first then ATF. To think the libtards agreed with Trump on this.
I still support of ideas of his but not this one. He is suppose to uphold the constitution nothing he has said about this has sounded like he is.
Dr. Evil
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Or, if a charge would have been filed for him carrying a knife on school grounds to begin with he would have been turned away from legally buying a gun due to the felony. We wouldn't have needed to take anything away from this mental midget after the fact.
Marine Cpl
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Darth, I don't think people got conned or are going to make excuses for him. Even after what he's said off the cuff now, I and many would still vote for him compared to Hillary.
Whether you like it or not, it becomes the choice of the lesser of 2 evils. If you didn't vote for him, Hillary would have signed something worse by now or executive ordered something worse by now.
If any other candidate besides Trump would have won the primaries, we'd have gun control now for a fact because Hillary would have been president.
Marine Cpl
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Can you dispute any point I've made in the above post rather than saying " Yeah yeah yeah, and so will Obama. "?
Dr. Evil
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Agreed. I always said it was like choosing between gonorrhea or syphilis. Since being president though he has done more things that have pleasantly surprised me at this point. His recent comments have pissed me off though very much. In saying this, I don't even want to think what we would be talking about now if Hillary had one.
Make a point first and we'll see.
"If Hillary had won, we'd have..." is not a point as you can't prove that.
At least with her people wouldn't be making excuses for her anti gun moves.
Dr. Evil
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I base my point about Hillary on her comments and actions over the years. You may disagree but that was good enough for me.
If you followed that logic across the board, you wouldn't have voted for Trump, given his anti gun history.
He'll, it was not a lessor of two evils for me; I was more than happy yo vote for him.
I've been working a lot as of late, can someone please fill me in on exactly what he has done that is so bad?
I've been working a lot as of late, can someone please fill me in on exactly what he has done that is so bad?
Marine Cpl
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And what history would that be? Did he vote on anti gun bills? Are you saying we'd be better off with her?
Nothing.....
Hes doing what he was elected to do which was bridge the divide between the 2 parties .
Adults realize that in life you NEVER get 100 percent of what you want. Its ALWAYS a compromise.
What he said yestetdsy was the starting point NOT what we will end up with....guaranteed .
As long as we dont see firearms and magazine capacity bans Nationally....consider this a victory.
Worry 110 percent more about Cuomo than Trump.
Hes doing what he was elected to do which was bridge the divide between the 2 parties .
Adults realize that in life you NEVER get 100 percent of what you want. Its ALWAYS a compromise.
What he said yestetdsy was the starting point NOT what we will end up with....guaranteed .
As long as we dont see firearms and magazine capacity bans Nationally....consider this a victory.
Worry 110 percent more about Cuomo than Trump.
CRUZ would have been stopped by any of these three:
An Armed Teacher.
21 Year Old Purchase Age
Involuntary Incarceration
Confiscation from the Mentally Ill
President Trump supports all 4
Dr. Evil
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I was putting my chips on the future supreme court as I said that was the most important part of the election. I also didn't want open borders or socialism. So, I chose Trump when those were the only two left. I would have written myself in but I didn't think I had any chance of winning.
The bit where he said he supported an AWB and arbitrary waiting periods.
And, as your reading comprehension always seems to vanish when we disagree, I never said Hillary would be better.
The scary part is that Trump clearly isn't any better than any other previous Democrat that we yelled the sky is falling about.
Many did. He failed on his first SCOTUS pick with respect to the 2A though.
spat
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Gorsuch vs Garland alone was worth the vote.
He would have also been stopped by lethal injection.
Maybe we should just kill all the gun owners.
And on top of that, you say he would. I greatly doubt it.
Best to not chance it and not just toss away our rights.
President Trump is NOT part of the PROBLEM. He is part of the SOLUTION.
Armed Teachers
21 Year Old Purchase Age
Involuntary Incarceration for the Violent Mentally Ill
Confiscation from the Mentally Ill
WE HAD ALL FOUR OF THESE BEFORE !
And when we did these School Shootings did not occur.
Phazer
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Dr. Evil
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Why do we keep forgetting about this? FL School Gunman Should Have Been a Prohibited Person We wouldn't need ANY more laws if the ones already in place were followed although I'm all for arming teachers.
The long and the short of it is every Politician at some point in their career sells out their constutuiency.
This case is no different.
Im concerned with big picture vs. the sound bite/tweet of the day.
If you beat your wife, if you are a fruit and nut basket, if you make terroristic threats, if you are stupid enough to rack up multiple DWIs ....you are too stupid and recklesd to own guns .
....and I dont want firearms owners asdociated with those types of people .
NOTHING Trump said yesterday concerns me. At no point is he calling for a ban on anything.