@thewheels
.308 Win
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/03/pi...r-attack-95-effective-63-cases/#axzz5irYl1A9P
Interesting facts presented
Interesting facts presented
Pistols & handguns VS Bears
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Twogunwilly
6.5 Creedmoor
That's because the ones that lose to the bear don't report anything.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Besides .44 Magnum, 9mm for the win. 
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm all for .22
I just have to kneecap YOUR ass and I get away just fine.
I just have to kneecap YOUR ass and I get away just fine.
Interesting yes. I can see FMJs working as they have a better chance of getting to the vitals. Still were I looking for convenient bear defense I would pack a Glock 20. The stories linked show capacity and follow up shots are important and the 10mm gives a great balance of speed and power.
But I would try to follow the preventive measures to avoid a bear encounter in the first place. I've nothing against bears.
But I would try to follow the preventive measures to avoid a bear encounter in the first place. I've nothing against bears.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
By us all we have to worry about is black bears. A FMJ or hard cast of any service caliber auto loader or revolver would get the job done. Most hard casts penetrate 30 plus inches in gel. That tour guide in Alaska killed a grizzly with 9mm Hard casts.
If I lived in Alaska or the north part of our country, I would pack a Glock 29 in 10mm for grizzlies. Same size as the 26 and would work for human and beast alike.
If I lived in Alaska or the north part of our country, I would pack a Glock 29 in 10mm for grizzlies. Same size as the 26 and would work for human and beast alike.
I wish the G29 and G26 were the same size bro.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
More or less. You are talking fractions here.I wish the G29 and G26 were the same size bro.
You're talking big fractions, especially in the most important dimension of width and with weight as well.
LethalTurtle
9mm
I’m willing to bet this one will be 100% effective
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
More or less Darth. Very similar. More or less a similar footprint that conceal the same if in areas where you have to conceal. But in the interest of not turning this thread into a total shit fest, you win.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
Well, the kneecap isn't on the ass, but I'm pretty sure your plan will work out anyway.
Vapor
.308 Win
I know I can handle 10mm or .357 recoil well. It's all about making hits.
Still though, a semi auto rifle or lever gun is my ideal haha. Life is rarely ideal.
Still though, a semi auto rifle or lever gun is my ideal haha. Life is rarely ideal.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face by a bear.'
That article is internet research, and based on a very limited sample size at that...not the same as some other studies which have actually conducted interviews with the participants.
Those other studies have shown that firearms, while they can be effective, have a far lower success rate than 97%. And the idea that pistols are just as effective as rifles and shotguns for dealing with bears is just plain ludicrous. I'm sure some people have used 9mm and .22lr for bear defense; they're statistical outliers. Most people who carry day-in-day-out in bear country don't bother with those calibers. So just because you can find 5 people who carried and successfully used 9mm for bear defense doesn't mean that 9mm is just as effective as other handgun cartridges or rifle cartridges.
Certain handgun cartridges can work for bear defense; that's not the same as being optimal for such applications. The author would do well to make that distinction rather than rely on a small pool of examples which validate his views.
Those other studies have shown that firearms, while they can be effective, have a far lower success rate than 97%. And the idea that pistols are just as effective as rifles and shotguns for dealing with bears is just plain ludicrous. I'm sure some people have used 9mm and .22lr for bear defense; they're statistical outliers. Most people who carry day-in-day-out in bear country don't bother with those calibers. So just because you can find 5 people who carried and successfully used 9mm for bear defense doesn't mean that 9mm is just as effective as other handgun cartridges or rifle cartridges.
Certain handgun cartridges can work for bear defense; that's not the same as being optimal for such applications. The author would do well to make that distinction rather than rely on a small pool of examples which validate his views.
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@thewheels
.308 Win
At making you broke? $50 per round? 17k for the gun?
.600 600 Nitro Express N.E. NE ammo ammunition for sale
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
and this is exactly why I got a Marlin 45-70. in case I get attacked by a bear, or a T-rex,
@thewheels
.308 Win
and this is exactly why I got a Marlin 45-70. in case I get attacked by a bear, or a T-rex,
I want one of these for...uh...bears. At least that's what I'd tell my wife.
https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-90-460-sw/
LethalTurtle
9mm
Hey man at the very least you’d be protected from any bear... or prehistoric creature
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Sure, if you wanna piss him off.Besides .44 Magnum, 9mm for the win.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Grizzly mike Tyson?
Even better yet:
https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/ar500-500-auto-max/
Shoots a rimless .500 S&W. Supposedly makes it the most powerful of the "Big Bore" ARs.
But they kinda cheated by using an AR10 receiver. .500 S&W doesn't out power a .308 does it?
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
@thewheels
.308 Win
It's an option after the lever gun. The lever comes 1st.
The 500 auto max is $3 per round. The 460 can be had for roughly half that.
Semi auto 4 EVAH!!
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Timely thread as I just literally a moment ago rewatched the revenant bear attack scene on youtube.
That story about the black bear with 14 .22 seems interesting. Not surprised one guy with a 22 pistol failed against a polar bear. That must have sucked. You really shouldn't be in country like that without some big guns.
Black bears rarely attack in any case. Grizzlies are another matter.
That story about the black bear with 14 .22 seems interesting. Not surprised one guy with a 22 pistol failed against a polar bear. That must have sucked. You really shouldn't be in country like that without some big guns.
Black bears rarely attack in any case. Grizzlies are another matter.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
GunXpatriot
.40 S&W
I think two of the biggest issues out there, especially when it comes to using less than desirable calibers on tough animals like bears, is that they have either, very tough skulls, or skulls with strange angles that can easily deflect a lackluster caliber, or both.
How much truth is there to this REALLY? Has anyone actually sat down, shot at a brown bear skull with assorted calibers, and really broken this down, trying to see what looks like it'll be effective, and what won't?
Because in all honesty, I don't see how in a pinch, something like a .357 magnum couldn't utterly disintegrate the skull of any North American game, and probably even African Dangerous game. Hell, a .22 can of course kill an elephant in very specific ways. I'd like to see similar tests on something like a Cape Buffalo, which to my knowledge, are known to be among the toughest game on the planet.
But in the end, isn't it as simple as, "Carry something adequate for what you might run into?" Wouldn't that solve most of the issue and pretty much end the debate? For science, I surely want to know more. But a guy carrying around a .22 pistol for bear protection in Alaska won't really care to listen anyway.. Just my two cents though.
How much truth is there to this REALLY? Has anyone actually sat down, shot at a brown bear skull with assorted calibers, and really broken this down, trying to see what looks like it'll be effective, and what won't?
Because in all honesty, I don't see how in a pinch, something like a .357 magnum couldn't utterly disintegrate the skull of any North American game, and probably even African Dangerous game. Hell, a .22 can of course kill an elephant in very specific ways. I'd like to see similar tests on something like a Cape Buffalo, which to my knowledge, are known to be among the toughest game on the planet.
But in the end, isn't it as simple as, "Carry something adequate for what you might run into?" Wouldn't that solve most of the issue and pretty much end the debate? For science, I surely want to know more. But a guy carrying around a .22 pistol for bear protection in Alaska won't really care to listen anyway.. Just my two cents though.