Deplorable Me
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They could make this vaccination thing more interesting:
NYC violates civil rights and forces vaccinations
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Truebeliever
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That’s BS. Most armies died of disease than anything else. Even with a good diet and exercise, these things will kill you if you don’t have prior exposure. Our population without vaccines are a virgin population to these diseases.
Truebeliever
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It’s vaccine and herd immunity that allowed these people to go so long with out the shots. There choices limit the herd immunity response for those who can not take the vaccine for medical or actual religious reasons . But it’s their right.
Marine Cpl
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I was making fun of someone here who said that.
Dr. Evil
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(Even though I said more, not just that)
@thewheels
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Dr. Evil
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I'm conflicted on this. I don't like the idea of the government forcing people to take anything into their bodies. On the other hand, public health is real.
This is real: Measles is one of the most contagious diseases there is; you can get it just from breathing in a room hours after an infected person left. Normal age for first vaccine in the USA is one year. If my baby got measles and suffered horribly from some dope that didn't vaccinate their sick kid and brought them to the pediatrician, I would would be livid.
I got whooping cough a few years ago. I've been vaccinated, but I was towards the end of the vaccine cycle and my immunity had worn off. There's a lot of whooping cough in my area from nitwits who won't vaccinate. Whooping cough, like measles, is extremely contagious. I got whooping cough from casually breathing public air where one of these nitwits had been. It's not called the 100-day cough for no reason. I think it was longer than that for me. My coughing fits were so hard I would puke and feel like I was going to pass out because I couldn't breathe.
Whooping cough kills babies. If my kid had gotten whooping cough like that when they hadn't gotten vaccinated yet from one of these nitwits, and I had to watch him suffer like that with his tiny body, again, I would feel murderous. Whooping cough vaccine is extremely effective but it does wear off and is less than 100% effective and the first vaccination is at 2 months. A baby can get whooping cough before they are fully vaccinated and this is the most dangerous time.
Why is measles still endemic in Japan? - The Lancet
Japan Battles Worst Measles Outbreak in Years - The New York Times (Feb 22, 2019)
This is real: Measles is one of the most contagious diseases there is; you can get it just from breathing in a room hours after an infected person left. Normal age for first vaccine in the USA is one year. If my baby got measles and suffered horribly from some dope that didn't vaccinate their sick kid and brought them to the pediatrician, I would would be livid.
I got whooping cough a few years ago. I've been vaccinated, but I was towards the end of the vaccine cycle and my immunity had worn off. There's a lot of whooping cough in my area from nitwits who won't vaccinate. Whooping cough, like measles, is extremely contagious. I got whooping cough from casually breathing public air where one of these nitwits had been. It's not called the 100-day cough for no reason. I think it was longer than that for me. My coughing fits were so hard I would puke and feel like I was going to pass out because I couldn't breathe.
Whooping cough kills babies. If my kid had gotten whooping cough like that when they hadn't gotten vaccinated yet from one of these nitwits, and I had to watch him suffer like that with his tiny body, again, I would feel murderous. Whooping cough vaccine is extremely effective but it does wear off and is less than 100% effective and the first vaccination is at 2 months. A baby can get whooping cough before they are fully vaccinated and this is the most dangerous time.
Why is measles still endemic in Japan? - The Lancet
Japan Battles Worst Measles Outbreak in Years - The New York Times (Feb 22, 2019)
BDinPutnam
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You're entitled to play sovereign citizen on your own property.
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I posted this in another thread. Appropriate here.
Big Pharma and the Propaganda Machine
As we’ve said before, the propaganda machine is currently firing on all cylinders. You can’t open a newspaper without seeing a reference to the “measles outbreak” and how the U.S. has “the highest number of cases since 1994.” And as long as there seems to be some kind of public health emergency, doctors, health systems, governments, and Big Pharma can violate our basic right to privacy in the name of “the greater good.”
This is a dangerous step by the healthcare industry, and Epic already has clients in four states – New York, Illinois, Texas, and California – who are using their software to screen and track down unvaccinated Americans. Jordan Tucker, who works for Epic and is overseeing the new project, explained its function, saying “we can find all those patients missing the MMR vaccine and send out a message to patients or providers.”
This is exactly what was laid out in the National Adult Immunization Plan, one major objective of which is to “increase community demand” for vaccinations. And they’re doing this by stirring up animosity between parents who choose to vaccinate and parents who don’t. We’ve heard from our readers how schools are releasing information about student vaccination, and how parents and children are receiving threatening letters or being publicly shamed and ostracized for exercising their freedom of medical choice.
The mainstream media and government, funded by the very companies that manufacture and sell these vaccines, are doing everything they can to fabricate a public health emergency that can be used to increase their control over our health decisions. They’re also creating a proverbial lynch mob, doing their best to ensure that anyone who declines a vaccination is ridiculed, humiliated, and excluded socially.
And the influence of the pharmaceutical companies is substantial. Merck manufactures and owns the patents to MMR vaccines, including MMRII and Proquad, an MMR/Varicella combo vaccine. These vaccines are both purchased under contract by the CDC, in addition to the private sector. And Merck can’t be happy about a drop in vaccinations…
In 2018, Merck generated $1.8 BILLION in revenue from the MMR vaccine alone.
Mandatory vaccines would mean a guaranteed customer base of over 4 million babies each year in the U.S. Currently, there are about 100,000 American children under age 2 who are not vaccinated, a trend which is going up thanks to groups advocating for vaccine safety and accountability. This represents tens of millions in lost revenue for Merck, and billions across the vaccine industry every year. Walgreens sells the MMR vaccine at $99.99 a pop.
As vaccine exemptions and abstentions increase, the industry continues to lose revenue. This expands to insurance providers, pharmacies, and a host of industries associated with vaccine manufacturing and sales. This is why we’re seeing a frantic effort by the media, government, and medical industry to denounce safety advocates, exaggerate disease risks, and introduce an age of mandatory vaccination.
The Truth About Measles and the MMR Vaccine
From 1959-1962 – just before the vaccine was introduced, measles was fatal in only 0.01% of cases. And while the number of unvaccinated children has quadrupled since 2001, from 2000-2016 measles deaths decreased by 84%. But there are other factors at play when it comes to the dangers of measles.
Malnutrition, especially vitamin A deficiency, is a primary cause of about 90,000 measles deaths annually in underdeveloped nations. In the U.S. and other developed countries, up to 92% of hospitalized measles patients are low in vitamin A. Better nutrition and hygiene may explain the decline in measles mortality even before the vaccine existed.
And the numbers that are used to scare us into submission are not numbers that you can trust. About 90% of measles cases are benign and go unreported, meaning that reported cases of measles only constitute about 10% of all cases. Using reported cases to calculate mortality rates result in numbers that are artificially inflated by a factor of 10.
Jens Spahn, Merck, and the CDC would have you believe that we are in the midst of an epidemic crisis. After all, there have been over 450 confirmed cases of measles in the U.S. this year alone. They’d have you believe that your freedom to choose what goes into your body – and even your constitutional right to religious freedom – must be forfeited in order to save the children. How many must die?
Since the turn of the millennium, there have been 11 deaths from measles in the U.S.
To put that in perspective, here are some unique death rates in the U.S. from 1999-2014:
- Death from contact with powered lawnmower: 951
- Death from a fall involving ice-skates, skis, roller-skates or skateboards: 1,139
- Death from a fall from tree: 1,413
- Death from a fall involving bed: 10,386
In 2017, 16 Americans died from lightning strikes – more than have died from measles in the last 20 years. In fact, according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), you’re more likely to die from the MMR vaccine than you are from measles.
While the mortality from measles in the U.S. remains virtually non-existent, the risks of receiving untested vaccines for which the manufacturers are not liable are robust. Serious complications reported by Merck in the ProQuad product insert include:
- measles
- atypical measles
- vaccine strain varicella
- varicella-like rash
- herpes zoster
- herpes simplex
- pneumonia and respiratory infection
- pneumonitis
- bronchitis
- epididymitis
- cellulitis
- skin infection
- subacute sclerosing panencephalitis
- aseptic meningitis
- thrombocytopenia
- aplastic anemia (anemia due to the bone marrow’s inability to produce platelets, red and white blood cells)
- lymphadenitis (inflammation of the lymph nodes)
- anaphylaxis including related symptoms of peripheral, angioneurotic and facial edema
- agitation
- ocular palsies
- necrotizing retinitis (inflammation of the eye)
- nerve deafness
- optic and retrobulbar neuritis (inflammation of the optic nerve)
- Bell’s palsy (sudden but temporary weakness of one half of the face)
- cerebrovascular accident (stroke)
- acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
- measles inclusion body encephalitis
- transverse myelitis
- encephalopathy
- Guillain-Barré syndrome
- syncope (fainting)
- tremor
- dizziness
- paraesthesia
- febrile seizure
- afebrile seizures or convulsions
- polyneuropathy (dysfunction of numerous peripheral nerves of the body)
- Stevens-Johnson syndrome
- Henoch-Schönlein purpura
- acute hemorrhagic edema of infancy
- erythema multiforme
- panniculitis
- arthritis
- death
BDinPutnam
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You're quoting from a source, presumably, @Dr. Evil - can you share it?
Acer-m14
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sounds like gun related deaths stats .. very small % but oh we the GOVT have to take action ..
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why do pets have to get rabies shots and humans not until bitten ?? hummmmm
Dr. Evil
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Sure I can but why would it matter? Either the information is correct or it isn't regardless of who it comes from. The problem is typically unless info comes from what many would refer to as "traditional" sources some seem to poo poo it without actually digesting or looking into it.
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masterswimmer
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It seems you can find incredibly compelling evidence on both sides of the vax vs non-vax discussion. Depending upon which way you lean the evidence will be most reassuring or conversely most damning.
Marine Cpl
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Statistics... They can all be manipulated. Facts can't be manipulated. Let's deal with facts here.
Fact. And infected person will infect a group of non-infected people. If I was non-vaccinated and visited Honduras for example and got the measles and later went to the Evil residence, the Evils will get measles. Except maybe for the parents since they were vaccinated.
You can put and quote any statistic or source but the fact remains is that they will be infected and the parents won't be.
Fact. And infected person will infect a group of non-infected people. If I was non-vaccinated and visited Honduras for example and got the measles and later went to the Evil residence, the Evils will get measles. Except maybe for the parents since they were vaccinated.
You can put and quote any statistic or source but the fact remains is that they will be infected and the parents won't be.
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Dr. Evil
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This is not so much vax vs. non-vax IMHO. It is about the hysteria government is generating related to measles, for what reason and at what price.
masterswimmer
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Hence the overreach conundrum. I believe the vax does help us as a communal society. I also believe .gov doesn't have a place telling people what they must inject into their bodies.
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First of all we are talking about this country, not some third world country. Second, exposure to a disease doesn't equate to getting the disease. Third, getting measles is far from a death sentence. Fourth, "facts" you refer to are facts in your world based on your experience and understanding. I am around people that have so much shit health wise over the years in practice. A few months ago one of my patients who I was in close physical contact with for months told me that she was diagnosed with hepatitis A and I was treating her while she was "contagious." I really wasn't very concerned because I have more faith in my immune system and do quite a bit to make sure my body is functioning as optimally as possible. I have a different paradigm and experience than most. I do my best not to live in fear regarding health. BTW, you are welcome over the Evil residence anytime even after leaving the country. You could even hang out with my kids who weren't vaccinated with no concern from me regarding their health.
Marine Cpl
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You don't think travelers from third world countries can bring diseases here?
Correct but it does happen or else no one would get infected.
Hepatitis a and the measles have different levels of exposure.
subsonic
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We are overrun with third-world invaders though, and getting more third-world all the time as this isn't addressed.
For an extremely contagious disease like measles, or whooping cough, if you are not immune, it effectively does.
So what? It's extremely miserable, it occasionally has serious complications which can be disabling, and in very rare cases, it is deadly. For other diseases, like pertussis/whooping cough, death is less rare.
Seriously, hepatitis A? Unless you are making out (or more) with your patients, there's not much risk of transmitting hepatitis. Why would you compare hepatitis, which is not easily transmitted through casual contact (swapping spit at least), with extremely contagious diseases like measles and whooping cough, that spread through the air?
Like I said before, I have mixed feelings, but I think requiring vaccinations for school at least is appropriate. If you don't want to vaccinate your kids, homeschool.
ECU Pirates
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Wait a minute... the groups that shun vaccines are getting measles? Shocking.
ECU Pirates
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The “big pharma” wants money from vaccines argument is flawed. They make much more money from people living into old age and being on 20 pills a day for years than they do from people getting vaccines. They are about profits but vaccines aren’t the big money makers. The rise in measles shows how not getting vaccinated for some things is just dumb. Also stats about being more likely to die from other things is not looking at the big picture. Measles can cause life long issues even if it doesn’t kill you.
Marine Cpl
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Imagine if nobody was vaccinated for smallpox. It wouldn't have been eradicated.
Fact. Those who aren't vaccinated with smallpox are living off the fruits of those who have been vaccinated.
Fact. Those who aren't vaccinated with smallpox are living off the fruits of those who have been vaccinated.
BDinPutnam
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Because for all I know at this point, Kim Jung Un wrote it.
How am I supposed to know if "the information is correct or it isnt" if I have no idea where it came from, who wrote it, or what they based it on?
That's not science you posted there, that's Op-Ed, Doc.
Dr. Evil
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How are you supposed to know? I suppose you can research it to see if is correct or not. Even if Kim Jung Un wrote something that is correct is it wrong because he wrote it? Reminds me of the videos that quote Trump and tell people those are Hillary's ideas. They love it until they find out who it is from.
Dr. Evil
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Again, let's stick to the subject here. You know, the same one that you agreed with me some time ago about common childhood diseases in the US such as measles. Remember, the one where you agreed they blow things a bit out of proportion.
Dr. Evil
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Please refer to me the data on people currently who have died or have been maimed from measles. Here's a concept. Take better care of yourself day to day so you don't have to live in fear of dying from measles.