This cant be true! Are we doomed? Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism

[speedkills27]

Im really hoping this survey is slanted and there is something I missed. Scary direction and scary times we're living in
Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism

 

[ArmedCorgi]

You know Gallup. 60% of the time it's right 100% of the time.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Well considering 4 in 10 "Americans" are illegals....

 

[Mosinitis]

We already have some form of socialism since way back. It's idiotic to deny its benefit, just because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow ideological view. America without any socialism was where coal miners were killed in the mine accidents and their families were evicted from company owned housing. This did happen.

 

[BDinPutnam]

The fact they even felt the need to ask the question is all the answer I need.

 

[Darth]

We already have some form of socialism since way back. It's idiotic to deny its benefit, just because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow ideological view. America without any socialism was where coal miners were killed in the mine accidents and their families were evicted from company owned housing. This did happen.

I'd love to hear this one. How in the would did "socialism" have any effect on that proposed scenario?

 

[@thewheels]

I'd love to hear this one. How in the would did "socialism" have any effect on that proposed scenario?

 

[Mosinitis]

I'd love to hear this one. How in the would did "socialism" have any effect on that proposed scenario?

Government social programs and regulations as opposed to none.

 

[Mosinitis]

Indoctrinated fanatics suck ass, no matter what their political leaning.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Keep in mind, gang rape is in theory democracy in action. Liberty is when the intended victim has a fully loaded Mossberg 590 as their first gun out of the gun cabinet.

 

[Darth]

Government social programs and regulations as opposed to none.

So the government made it so we don't have mining disasters and such now?

That's really what you think?

 

[Mosinitis]

So the government made it so we don't have mining disasters and such now?

That's really what you think?

Classic Darth man-child. My point was obvious, you couldn't rebut it. There are "socialist" government programs that will provide for the families.

 

[@thewheels]

Indoctrinated fanatics suck ass, no matter what their political leaning.

Not necessarily.

 

[@thewheels]

There are "socialist" government programs that will provide for the families.

And there shouldn't be. Just because the government stuck its dick where it doesn't belong, doesn't magically make it righteous.

 

[Mosinitis]

And there shouldn't be. Just because the government stuck its dick where it doesn't belong, doesn't magically make it righteous.

Nothing for the families of miners, cops or soldiers killed on the job.

 

[@thewheels]

Nothing for the families of miners, cops or soldiers killed on the job.

Exactly, Nothing taken by threat of violence from a/the government.

There's the best way to accomplish something and there's the socialist way.

 

[speedkills27]

We already have some form of socialism since way back. It's idiotic to deny its benefit, just because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow ideological view. America without any socialism was where coal miners were killed in the mine accidents and their families were evicted from company owned housing. This did happen.

First and foremost, how do you even know what my ideological view really is? I do very little political debating on this forum, so unless we've met, you have no idea where I stand. Second thing, I think you're confusing government regulation with socialism. I am ok with small amounts of government regulation to protect "We the people" from things such as you describe, but thats a long way off from the cradle to grave soft socialism I hear Bernie supporters begging for

 

[Mosinitis]

Exactly, Nothing taken by threat of violence from a/the government.

"Violence" is not in the definition of socialism. Historically there was violence for and against it.

 

[Mosinitis]

First and foremost, how do you even know what my ideological view really is? I do very little political debating on this forum, so unless we've met, you have no idea where I stand. Second thing, I think you're confusing government regulation with socialism. I am ok with small amounts of government regulation to protect "We the people" from things such as you describe, but thats a long way off from the cradle to grave soft socialism I hear Bernie supporters begging for

You sounded the alarm because 4 in 10 Americans embraced some form of socialism. SOME FORM. Either you are too ignorant to know we already have that for generations or you are indoctrinated fanatic using labels to sound false alarm.

 

[Robin]

Their plan is working. When the light of Liberty goes out in this republic, the world will enter a new dark age ant it will be more horrific than anything known in the whole history of mankind.
Robin

 

[speedkills27]

You sounded the alarm because 4 in 10 Americans embraced some form of socialism. "SOME FORM". Either you are too ignorant to know we already have that for generations or an indoctrinated fanatic using labels to sound false alarm.

lol IT MUST BE one or the other! No possible way to have a nuanced opinion that lies somewhere in between . I do believe a European, or harder, style of socialism would be the ruin of this country as founded. That doesn't mean I look at all social safety net programs as a bad thing. GTFO here with YOUR accusations, assumptions, and labels

 

[@thewheels]

"Violence" is not in the definition of socialism. Historically there was violence for and against it.

Omelette recipes don't include cracking eggs either.

 

[Mosinitis]

lol IT MUST BE one or the other! No possible way to have a nuanced opinion that lies somewhere in between . I do believe a European, or harder, style of socialism would be the ruin of this country as founded. That doesn't mean I look at all social safety net programs as a bad thing. GTFO here with YOUR accusations, assumptions, and labels

Ok, you embrace some form of socialist programs like other 4 in 10 Americans. Then what the fuck is your point? They weren't asked if they embrace full scale socialism.

 

[Mosinitis]

Omelette recipes don't include cracking eggs either.

All political movements have violence associated with them. You are unable to defend your position without one-sided smear.
How many calls for the revolution came from conservative side before Trump was elected?

 

[speedkills27]

Ok, you embrace some form of socialist programs like other 4 in 10 Americans. Then what the fuck is your point? They weren't asked if they embrace full scale socialism.

oh man are you ornery today. Socialism is a slippery, slippery slope. If not constantly kept in check it will/is spread like cancer. Years ago people were ashamed to take handouts from the government. There was a stigma attached to welfare and public assistance. A growing number of people today now celebrate or are unapologetic about taking government hand outs. If that isn't the perfect example of a slow death of personal liberty I dont know what is

 

[Podmonkey]

I hate everybody and everything. If I had enough gasoline to drench earth I would. Then I would giggle my motherfucking ass off as I dropped the match.

 

[Mosinitis]

oh man are you ornery today. Socialism is a slippery, slippery slope. If not constantly kept in check it will/is spread like cancer. Years ago people were ashamed to take handouts from the government. There was a stigma attached to welfare and public assistance. A growing number of people today now celebrate or are unapologetic about taking government hand outs. If that isn't the perfect example of a slow death of personal liberty I dont know what is

1960's, Johnson's Great Society was actually the peak of socialism in America. When people at the top of food chain use the government to line their pockets (Soros, military-industrial complex, lobbyists), so will the people at the bottom.

 

[repete]

My point was obvious, you couldn't rebut it.

Actually it's not obvious, at least to me. Please explain how coal mine disasters and the families of the deceased getting evicted have anything to do with socialism.

 

[@thewheels]

All political movements have violence associated with them.

We're not talking about movements of any kind. Socialism implies threat of or actual violence whether or not it's in the definition.
It happens. Getting into it or during it or getting out of it and in some cases all 3.

 

[Mosinitis]

Actually it's not obvious, at least to me. Please explain how coal mine disasters and the families of the deceased getting evicted have anything to do with socialism.

I already did that. It's not something you want see, but it was done.