Toecutter
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Is it gouging when the hospital charges the insurance company 20 dollars for a 50 cent mask?
FBI seizing property (ppe)
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@thewheels
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I've never reviewed a hospital bill (of which I've had to look over many), which listed masks, gloves, scrubs, soap, the actual thread for stitches, etc as line items. Show one.
What do you guys think of this?
Feds distribute thousands of masks, other supplies seized from hoarders during coronavirus pandemic | Fox News
The Justice Department and Department of Health and Human Services are distributing nearly 200,000 N95 respirator masks and other medical supplies to New York and New Jersey after confiscating them from individuals hoarding the materials.www.google.com
It's illegal for the Government to steal property.
How is it this guy's fault that our corrupt Politicians have been focused on Impeachment instead of doing their jobs ?
At the very least the hoarder should be compensated with a reasonable profit thrown in.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
i get your point, and I am also torn on this because they are needed medical supplies. but what others, and myself get concerned about is the "precedent" it sets. like someone else mentioned, what is considered hoarding, and what is considered important enough for the government to say "we are taking your stuff because we think its needed".
another member mentioned he had something like 50,000 rounds of 9mm ammo on hand. what if police departments cant buy ammo and decide "hey, so and so has 50,000 rounds, lets take his".
Sure
Wait until they start raiding Preppers.
"No one needs a year's worth of food !"
Exactly, I'll wait. Because that's not happening and that's not what this thread is about. I don't play the hypothetical nonsense game.
Don't let the Camel's nose into the tent.
masterswimmer
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This conversation is absurd. We all live in the same country. Not one person in this country owns their own property, unless of course you are a Native American on tribal land. Just don't pay the taxes on the real estate property you rent from the government and you'll blatantly understand how you don't own the property, even if you have no mortgage.
Eminent domain spells out the legality of you relinquishing ownership of the property you think you own to the government for 'FMV'. Which by the way, is established by the same people taking said property in the first place. Not sure how that can be misinterpreted as FAIR Market Value.
Obviously the same seizure can be exercised on other personal property through the Defense Production Act.
Neither of the above governmental actions is a secret, hidden from our review or misrepresented in any way shape or form. If anyone doesn't like it they are free to GTFO and go live in a better, more free country. Living here under your own free will means you accept the conditions as set forth. You don't get to make up your own rules.
Eminent domain spells out the legality of you relinquishing ownership of the property you think you own to the government for 'FMV'. Which by the way, is established by the same people taking said property in the first place. Not sure how that can be misinterpreted as FAIR Market Value.
Obviously the same seizure can be exercised on other personal property through the Defense Production Act.
Neither of the above governmental actions is a secret, hidden from our review or misrepresented in any way shape or form. If anyone doesn't like it they are free to GTFO and go live in a better, more free country. Living here under your own free will means you accept the conditions as set forth. You don't get to make up your own rules.
Don't be fooled by the usual suspects.
There is no slippery slope here. They ARE CURRENTLY stealing lifesaving supplies from people.
If you go into a store and take something that isn't yours, it is still theft, even if you throw a $5 on the counter.
There is no slippery slope here. They ARE CURRENTLY stealing lifesaving supplies from people.
If you go into a store and take something that isn't yours, it is still theft, even if you throw a $5 on the counter.
That's a great rant, and shows the dangers of what's wrong here. Not that this is OK, because emminiant domain.
And "if you don't like it you can get out!" is the antithesis of what this country is.
Could you direct me to the contact I signed agreeing to this again?
"HHS is expected to pay the owner of the hoarded equipment pre-COVID-19 fair market value for the supplies."
Thankfully the government is finally doing this and will continue to so our health care workers can continue to fight this pandemic with at least a modicum of protection. Every time my job gives me an N95 mask, I drop it off at my mother’s house because she can’t get them at work because of human excrement like the ones being discussed here.
Hopefully as these laughable posts are being made, the FBI is crushing more of these evil people.
Hopefully as these laughable posts are being made, the FBI is crushing more of these evil people.
The FBI knows more than a bit about being evil.
masterswimmer
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You're living here. It's implied acceptance.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
do you not get concerned about the precedent it sets? I don't think anyone is defending this guy, but it seems everyone is expressing their concern about how far the government could take this type of action.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So your mother is hoarding masks ?
If the government thought she needed them it would have given her some. Obviously the government is the only arbiter of who needs stuff.
The FBI should come take them so they can sit in a warehouse in Puerto Rico and rot.
masterswimmer
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Hence your freedom to GTFO if you don't approve or accept it. This isn't N. Korea. You have the right to leave and even renounce your citizenship.
Why worry about where it could lead?
Right now the government, proven inept with supplies, is stealing lifesaving supplies from people.
"Distributing the wealth."
If you trust them with that, great, I don't.
spat
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Hopefully one of these people crushes the FBI agents sent to steal their stuff.
The guy who spent his own money to fill a warehouse is the good guy here, the government agents stealing it are the bad guys.
Read closer. Spat actually stated (and then based on a statement of mine, restated) that price gouging and hoarding is actually the best way to get supplies to those that need it.
As for “precedent” - ie, slippery slope and hypotheticals - you should know by now that I don’t use that type of logic to justify my positions. I address that which is in front of me.
masterswimmer
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That's fine. All well and good. That's your right. Now whatcha gonna do about it?
Or you have the right to not allow these awful policies to be accepted at any level, and call them out on the spot.
See: This thread.
Now you on the other hand, if you do want the government making your decisions for you, I don't want you to leave. You're more than welcome to do that right here. Just don't involve me.
More fantasies! Yay! These conversations are awesome relief from the reality of this pandemic.
Spread information about the dangers of this at any level.
They will just kill them then, which I’m ok with as well.
masterswimmer
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I'll ask again, whatcha gonna do about it? 'Just don't involve me' doesn't give you any variable right to exclude yourself.
I actually just did.