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[spat]

This is what experts studying dangerous viruses wear, but sure that thing your grandma knitted will work too..

 

[Marine Cpl]

Is that an answer to my question or are you going to play the Chevy game?

 

[spat]

Let me ask you this. Please be honest. If you sneeze into a cotton rag, will the majority of your respiratory droplets be contained in the rag or will they all travel the same distance unimpeded to be inhaled by someone else?

You do understand that sneezing isn't a covid symptom right ?

Also, people aren't infected by someone spitting on them.

They are infected by encountering the permanent cloud of virus laden particles surrounding a person.

Any test that shows a mask stopping a single exhale is gas lighting you. That's not how it works. That's not how it works at all.

The particles that are large enough to travel a significant distance in the first few seconds of an exhale will rapidly fall to the ground and won't be a hazard to anyone.

The dangerous particles are the aerosols that can remain suspended in the air for several minutes.

Ever been in a room with some heavy smokers ? Does the smoke only stay 3 feet in front of their mouth ?

The propaganda you have bought will show you a smoker exhale into a mask and show that the cloud of smoke doesn't go as far as without the mask.

It will not show you someone doing that continuously for 5 minutes and that they will be in a cloud of smoke the same size mask or not.

 

[Chevusa]

Boy. You really are dense. Are you telling me that people with full blown symptoms with fever in the hundreds, constantly sneezing are the only ones infecting people in bars? Or are people with symptoms so low that they do not even realize it out there going about their business infecting people?

You literally made a statement saying a medical definition does not mean what it means. It’s all there for everyone to see.

“The sick who do not know they are sick. They are not asymptomatic” - @Marine Cpl

You do know what a symptom is right? Obviously you don’t. Your written statement proves such.

The very definition of asymptomatic is sick people who have no symptoms. If they don’t have symptoms they don’t know they’re sick.

Epic fail and there is no way to dance your way out of it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You do understand that sneezing isn't a covid symptom right ?

Also, people aren't infected by someone spitting on them.

They are infected by encountering the permanent cloud of virus laden particles surrounding a person.

Any test that shows a mask stopping a single exhale is gas lighting you. That's not how it works. That's not how it works at all.

The particles that are large enough to travel a significant distance in the first few seconds of an exhale will rapidly fall to the ground and won't be a hazard to anyone.

The dangerous particles are the aerosols that can remain suspended in the air for several minutes.

Ever been in a room with some heavy smokers ? Does the smoke only stay 3 feet in front of their mouth ?

The propaganda you have bought will show you a smoker exhale into a mask and show that the cloud of smoke doesn't go as far as without the mask.

It will not show you someone doing that continuously for 5 minutes and that they will be in a cloud of smoke the same size mask or not.

Wait a minute. Are you telling me that the CDC and the world health organization are wrong regarding respiratory droplets being the main form of transmission?

 

[Darth]

What if you don't sneeze or cough?

What if you had appendages capable of, on demand, placing a covering over your face if you do?

What if that was just accepted practice for decades?

Did it all of a sudden become not viable?

 

[Marine Cpl]

You literally made a statement saying a medical definition does not mean what it means. It’s all there for everyone to see.

“The sick who do not know they are sick. They are not asymptomatic” - @Marine Cpl

You do know what a symptom is right? Obviously you don’t. Your written statement proves such.

The very definition of asymptomatic is sick people who have no symptoms. If they don’t have symptoms they don’t know they’re sick.

Epic fail and there is no way to dance your way out of it.

Do you even know what asymptomatic means? It’s someone with no symptoms but still infected. Have you ever been sick but not know that you were sick? IE Having a very low-grade fever? Having a slight cough that you attribute it to allergies or smoking? You aren’t asymptomatic in that case. Very mild symptoms aren’t even noticeable most of the time but you are still contagious.

Geez Man.

 

[Chevusa]

Do you even know what asymptomatic means? It’s someone with no symptoms but still infected. Have you ever been sick but not know that you were sick? IE Having a very low-grade fever? Having a slight cough that you attribute it to allergies or smoking? You aren’t asymptomatic in that case. Very mild symptoms aren’t even noticeable most of the time but you are still contagious.

Geez Man.

Go back and read your post and my reply with included medical definition.

There is no way to dance away from it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Go back and read your post and my reply with included medical definition.

There is no way to dance away from it.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that someone with a slight fever that isn’t noticeable is asymptomatic?

 

[Acer-m14]

got my hunting copd / asthma (covid) mask on ..

 

[Acer-m14]

Ever been in a room with some heavy smokers ? Does the smoke only stay 3 feet in front of their mouth ?

The propaganda you have bought will show you a smoker exhale into a mask and show that the cloud of smoke doesn't go as far as without the mask.

It will not show you someone doing that continuously for 5 minutes and that they will be in a cloud of smoke the same size mask or not.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Thanks for posting that although you probably didn’t realize that in doing so, you are explaining what the professionals and myself have been saying.

1. The surgical mask shows vapor which is a very, heavily concentrated aerosol escaping from the top on the bridge of the nose and a little off the sides rather than being projected forward with force to be breathed by someone else a distance away. It did exactly what the experts say it does in preventing the projection forward. Real aerosols from an infected person aren’t that dense and concentrated just so you know.

2. Aerosols as per the CDC, the WHO, and the Chinese equivalent of the CDC aren’t likely to infect except during certain procedures such as intubations when inserting and removing breathing tubes or when changing tubes on breathing machines. That is searchable on their websites. It’s not something that I made up out of thin air.

3. The experiment showed that even dense, concentrated vapor had a hard time in penetrating the mask and had to find the path of least resistance to escape. Now what do you think would happen to heavy droplets which are the ones that the WHO, the CDC, and the Chinese equivalent say that are the most likely path to infection compared to aerosols?

The concept is pretty simple to understand but unfortunately people here have their heads buried in the sand and want to believe what they want to believe because Merica and rights and everything else.

If someone is wearing a mask and the larger, heavier droplets that do not float in the air that are the most dangerous get expelled into the mask, where are those droplets going to be contained in compared to if someone doesn’t wear a mask? So you are feet away from someone and they cough up heavy droplets. Will the captured droplets be projected forward to be breathed by someone else? Or will they hit the mask and have the majority contained in them? The ones that do escape, where will they escape from? Straight forward or from the sides around the person to be affected by gravity? Anyone can search that heavy droplets are affected by gravity if they do not believe it.

What I’m saying is easily searchable. It’s why surgeons wear masks during surgery so as not to project their droplets into wounds. And coincidentally, since mask usage in the subways and airplanes have become mandatory, infections have dropped. Those states that opened their bars and restaurants early have also coincidentally have seen infections go up.
Some masks are better than others obviously but they all reduce projections of heavy droplets forward.

I’ll be expecting a haha from Mr. Chevy in about an hour. Maybe less.

 

[spat]

Thanks for posting that although you probably didn’t realize that in doing so, you are explaining what the professionals and myself have been saying.

1. The surgical mask shows vapor which is a very, heavily concentrated aerosol escaping from the top on the bridge of the nose and a little off the sides rather than being projected forward with force to be breathed by someone else a distance away. It did exactly what the experts say it does in preventing the projection forward. Real aerosols from an infected person aren’t that dense and concentrated just so you know.

2. Aerosols as per the CDC, the WHO, and the Chinese equivalent of the CDC aren’t likely to infect except during certain procedures such as intubations when inserting and removing breathing tubes or when changing tubes on breathing machines. That is searchable on their websites. It’s not something that I made up out of thin air.

3. The experiment showed that even dense, concentrated vapor had a hard time in penetrating the mask and had to find the path of least resistance to escape. Now what do you think would happen to heavy droplets which are the ones that the WHO, the CDC, and the Chinese equivalent say that are the most likely path to infection compared to aerosols?

The concept is pretty simple to understand but unfortunately people here have their heads buried in the sand and want to believe what they want to believe because Merica and rights and everything else.

If someone is wearing a mask and the larger, heavier droplets that do not float in the air that are the most dangerous get expelled into the mask, where are those droplets going to be contained in compared to if someone doesn’t wear a mask? So you are feet away from someone and they cough up heavy droplets. Will the captured droplets be projected forward to be breathed by someone else? Or will they hit the mask and have the majority contained in them? The ones that do escape, where will they escape from? Straight forward or from the sides around the person to be affected by gravity? Anyone can search that heavy droplets are affected by gravity if they do not believe it.

What I’m saying is easily searchable. It’s why surgeons wear masks during surgery so as not to project their droplets into wounds. And coincidentally, since mask usage in the subways and airplanes have become mandatory, infections have dropped. Those states that opened their bars and restaurants early have also coincidentally have seen infections go up.
Some masks are better than others obviously but they all reduce projections of heavy droplets forward.

I’ll be expecting a haha from Mr. Chevy in about an hour. Maybe less.

Do you have any documentation about masks preventing the spread of viral agents that were generated before it became all political ?

I posted a document earlier where they did actual testing with actual people and live virus. This was before the mask thing was political, they were just evaluating masks. This isn't some fringe group, this was the National Institute of Health, part of the US federal government. It wasn't some half assed single test, it was a rigorous peer reviewed scientific study published in the relevant journals. They found the masks to be of very limited use.

So, if the masks don't stop people from getting infected by airborne viral agents from other people who are nearby, it doesn't really matter what testing you do with a cloud of smoke, or what happens if you sneeze while wearing one.

 

[soylentBlue]

No one sneezes into their mask. They pull down the mask and sneeze into the open air because they don't want a mask full of boogers.

 

[kev74]

 

[pjzwtl]

No one sneezes into their mask. They pull down the mask and sneeze into the open air because they don't want a mask full of boogers.

I literally just watched a coworker do this

 

[Marine Cpl]

Do you have any documentation about masks preventing the spread of viral agents that were generated before it became all political ?

I posted a document earlier where they did actual testing with actual people and live virus. This was before the mask thing was political, they were just evaluating masks. This isn't some fringe group, this was the National Institute of Health, part of the US federal government. It wasn't some half assed single test, it was a rigorous peer reviewed scientific study published in the relevant journals. They found the masks to be of very limited use.

So, if the masks don't stop people from getting infected by airborne viral agents from other people who are nearby, it doesn't really matter what testing you do with a cloud of smoke, or what happens if you sneeze while wearing one.

COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease)

COPD, also known as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, is a chronic lung condition in which the alveoli (air sacs) in your lungs no longer work properly, making it difficult to breathe. Learn more about COPD, including the symptoms, causes, diagnosis, and treatments, at WebMD.

www.webmd.com

02-15-2007: Surgical Masks May Provide Significant Aerosol Protection

The relative protection afforded by surgical and N-95 masks is an important issue that is prompting much debate in the process of planning for outbreaks of infectious respiratory diseases such as SARS or an influenza pandemic. In an article published recently in the American Journal of...

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

Add to that the current infection rates of places that mandate mask usage indoors to those that opened up restaurants and bars about a month ago with no mask usage. Which are the hotspots now? Masks alone aren’t the only factor. They work along with distancing and hygiene. Not one factor alone.

 

[spat]

COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease)

COPD, also known as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, is a chronic lung condition in which the alveoli (air sacs) in your lungs no longer work properly, making it difficult to breathe. Learn more about COPD, including the symptoms, causes, diagnosis, and treatments, at WebMD.

www.webmd.com

02-15-2007: Surgical Masks May Provide Significant Aerosol Protection

The relative protection afforded by surgical and N-95 masks is an important issue that is prompting much debate in the process of planning for outbreaks of infectious respiratory diseases such as SARS or an influenza pandemic. In an article published recently in the American Journal of...

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

Add to that the current infection rates of places that mandate mask usage indoors to those that opened up restaurants and bars about a month ago with no mask usage. Which are the hotspots now? Masks alone aren’t the only factor. They work along with distancing and hygiene. Not one factor alone.

Your test simulated a virus with an artificial aerosol made of dye and tested mask penetration.

My test used an actual live virus and tested how many people became infected by it.

I'll let you explain why yours is a better fit to real world usage.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Your test simulated a virus with an artificial aerosol made of dye and tested mask penetration.

My test used an actual live virus and tested how many people became infected by it.

I'll let you explain why yours is a better fit to real world usage.

This test tests droplets containing bacteria which are the same size as droplets containing viruses. Remember, viruses do not fly on their own. They use bodily fluids to travel from one host to another . We all learned that in 10th grade biology class.


Look. We can keep posting this and that. But bottom line, you cannot tell me with a straight face that a virus laden droplet captured by a mask will be inhaled by someone else a distance away anyway.

Let’s be clear here. There is no 100 percent foolproof method in stopping infection from spreading unless you are encased in a bubble. Even full body suits aren’t foolproof. There are reductions however. And a reduction could mean the difference of a passerby inhaling an infected droplet or not. There is no disputing that. Unless of course you go off the deep end and say that the infected droplet captured in the mask will then expel the virus through the mask with guided aim into someone’s respiratory tract.

Viruses have to reach hosts. Any reduction in distance or viral load absolutely affects whether another gets infected or not given the distance that he or she is away from the infected host.

 

[spat]

This test tests droplets containing bacteria which are the same size as droplets containing viruses. Remember, viruses do not fly on their own. They use bodily fluids to travel from one host to another . We all learned that in 10th grade biology class.


Look. We can keep posting this and that. But bottom line, you cannot tell me with a straight face that a virus laden droplet captured by a mask will be inhaled by someone else a distance away anyway.

Let’s be clear here. There is no 100 percent foolproof method in stopping infection from spreading unless you are encased in a bubble. Even full body suits aren’t foolproof. There are reductions however. And a reduction could mean the difference of a passerby inhaling an infected droplet or not. There is no disputing that. Unless of course you go off the deep end and say that the infected droplet captured in the mask will then expel the virus through the mask with guided aim into someone’s respiratory tract.

Viruses have to reach hosts. Any reduction in distance or viral load absolutely affects whether another gets infected or not given the distance that he or she is away from the infected host.

The test I cited used a real live but harmless virus.

They took known infected people and known uninfected people and had them interact both with and without masks and they measured how often the clean people became infected.

Most of your tests are only measuring a very brief event like a single exhale, or are using some artifical proxy for a virus and pretending that if it keeps dye off your face it will keep you from getting infected.

The one you cited that had some real world data about SARS had ridiculously low sample sizes.

Look, you can keep wearing a mask if it makes you feel better. Placebos have a long tradition.

I'll keep wearing one to avoid harrassment by the mask police and so that my favorite businesses don't get shut down for letting me in.

The difference is that I am not under any illusion that mine protects me from anything other than wild Karens.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The difference is that I am not under any illusion that mine protects me from anything other than wild Karens.

Masks are to protect others by capturing the majority of respiratory droplets. Less droplets equals less chances of exposure. It’s not to protect you specifically. I thought that was established already but for some reason yourself and the peanut gallery keep going back to that point as if what is being said is that masks protect the individual user.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Marine Cpl]

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Rather than posting cartoons and Facebook memes, how about you bring something tangible to this discussion? If not from you, then ‘Your Colleague” that you always refer to.

 

[Jmac00]

Rather than posting cartoons and Facebook memes, how about you bring something tangible to this discussion? If not from you, then ‘Your Colleague” that you always refer to.

Honestly, all your posts sound more like you're trying to convince yourself that a mask is going to save you and everyone from Covid.

its almost getting laughable. The Mask is nothing more than a control device. if you want to wear one for the rest of your life, be my guest. seriously, if your this paranoid over a virus, you should never take your mask off. I mean we have a flu season? there is air pollution, smoke from fires, there are a million reason to wear a mask and never take it off.

I choose not to participate in this bullshit, if you don't like it, tough titties. I really don't give a shit

 

[Marine Cpl]

II challenge you to find one post of mine that shows my fear to this virus like you say.

 

[Jmac00]

Really. If you think that, then you obviously haven’t read them.

ya, ya got me ???????????????????????????????????????

 

[Jmac00]

Really. If you think that, then you obviously haven’t read them.

the more I think about it, you should run for political office, you sure do dance around a topic

 

[Marine Cpl]

the more I think about it, you should run for political office, you sure do dance around a topic

What topic? Be specific.

 

[nortatoga]

Honestly, all your posts sound more like you're trying to convince yourself that a mask is going to save you and everyone from Covid.

its almost getting laughable. The Mask is nothing more than a control device. if you want to wear one for the rest of your life, be my guest. seriously, if your this paranoid over a virus, you should never take your mask off. I mean we have a flu season? there is air pollution, smoke from fires, there are a million reason to wear a mask and never take it off.

I choose not to participate in this bullshit, if you don't like it, tough titties. I really don't give a shit

Oh I should not like your posts as it can get someones shorts in a Bunch!!

 

[Jmac00]

What topic? Be specific.

and the dance continues, your argument loses all meaning when say "be specific" or "post a article" or " show your resources"

In other words, " no matter what you say, or what you post, you'll never convince me"