Multiple rioters shot in Kenosha by armed citizens.

[holdover]

If the man he shot was part of the group trying to hurt/kill him and he was cutting off the escape route the kid may well Have been justified. Lets hope so. 17 years old is awful young to start a lifetime behind bars.

Thats what we need to find out, That makes all the difference in the world. That part we just dont know yet.

 

[dsdmmat]

Thats what we need to find out, That makes all the difference in the world. That part we just dont know yet.

We likely will never know. The kid will go to his grave knowing he killed a couple of people. Hopefully he was defending himself so he will be able to live with himself.

 

[holdover]

Not necessarily, There may be witnesses that come forward that can clear him. or another angle from a cell phone or security camera.

 

[dsdmmat]

Not necessarily, There may be witnesses that come forward that can clear him.

I certainly hope so. It would be easier on everyone. I wouldn't count on anyone from the mob coming forward Though.

 

[holdover]

OOOOOOOOOOOOH wait a minute!!!

I looked at that video again and I saw red shirt man running up on the shooter and tackling him! I mistakenly thought that when red shirt man went down he was hit in the head. No. there was a struggle on the ground for the rifle.

 

[holdover]

Red shirt man runs up and tackle's Kyle. There is a struggle on the ground and Kyle gets up and runs around the car back to the red shirt man.
I only saw him run up to the red shirt man from the left assuming he shot him from somewhere near there . Thats not the case. there was a struggle on the ground for the gun . watch close.

 

[Jchrisls]

You shouldn't be holstering your gun at all until you are totally clear of all danger.
I carry a pistol when it would be inappropriate to have a carbine, which under normal circumstances is pretty much all the time.
In a riot however, the carbine is strapped to the chest if I have to go out. Which I shouldn't be, I should be inside.
You can run quickly with a carbine. That is the nice thing about modern quick adjust 2 point slings, you can keep it loose when you have the carbine presented, simply let go of it 8f you need your hands, cinch it tight to your chest if you need to work with your hands for an extended time or if you need to kneel and you can quickly rotate the weapon 180° onto your back if you have to climb or really boogie on out.

Honest question as I have never served- isn't there an old saying in the military that "you have a handgun so that you can fight your way back to your rifle "? Kids have/ currently serve/served. They have said that to me several times.

 

[enigma]

In the first few seconds of that video am I hearing a warning shot, followed by "Stop! I'll Shoot", while red man and the crowd continues to pursue him?

 

[holdover]

No, I did not hear that!

 

[Rap]

Red shirt man runs up and tackle's Kyle. There is a struggle on the ground and Kyle gets up and runs around the car back to the red shirt man.
I only saw him run up to the red shirt man from the left assuming he shot him from somewhere near there . Thats not the case. there was a struggle on the ground for the gun . watch close.

I think Red Shirt got shot right when he first ran at Kyle and hit the deck immediately.

 

[Blimey]

Will be interesting to see what happens tonight. My guess is less people with rifles. But also those with rifles will not soon be chased down by a crowd.

 

[holdover]

I think things will calm down a bit for now.

 

[GOPerfect]

Hes a biter! Dont let him near your boys

No lie!!!

 

[holdover]

I think Red Shirt got shot right when he first ran at Kyle and hit the deck immediately.

Thats possible.

 

[Chevusa]

This thread is a good example of why you stay away from powder keg gatherings. This kid traveled 40ish minutes to be there. Justified shooting or not, it's poor judgement to inject yourself into that willingly. If people come down your street and bring the ruckus with them that's one thing, seeking it out is just not that smart.

He was there all day volunteering, cleaning up, had a medical kit to aid people hurt... not looking for trouble.

 

[holdover]

In the first few seconds of that video am I hearing a warning shot, followed by "Stop! I'll Shoot", while red man and the crowd continues to pursue him?

Did somebody else shoot red shirt?

 

[Podmonkey]

Honest question as I have never served- isn't there an old saying in the military that "you have a handgun so that you can fight your way back to your rifle "? Kids have/ currently serve/served. They have said that to me several times.

I was enlisted, they didn't even issue enlisted troops sidearms when I served, this was from 2000-'05.
At that time officers were armed primarily with M9 pistols as opposed to the M4s they are issued now. This could all depend on the specific occupation though also. I served in the Artillery, I imagine things are different in the infanrty.
I hear that enlisted soldiers are increasingly issued sidearms in addition to M4 carbines but that it is no universal and I am told many eschew pistols in favor of more ammo carrying capacity.
Apparently pistols were of some additional symbolic use in Iraq due to cultural issues, namely that Iraqi civilians associated troops that carried only pistols were the leaders and the ones to be really concerned with and thus pistol came to be associated with authority.
In practical terms pistols have very minimal military utility but are of much greater use to civilians. As I said, I carry a pistol because it iz neither appropriate nor practical for me to be carrying a carbine. In a situation that having a carbine is appropriate I would always opt for one over a pistol.

 

[holdover]

I was taught that at FLTC not in the military.

 

[holdover]

This kid may walk after all.

 

[Podmonkey]

This kid may walk after all.

He seemed entirely justified to me. There is abundant evidence that BLM and ANTIFA are inherently violent and their presence alone can be construed as a lethal threat.

 

[holdover]

Yeah, I was reluctant because i believed he was some distance from the red shirt man . When actually the red shirt man attacked him .

You could tell red shirt had it out for him from his earlier videos

 

[BuffNiag]

Teen accused of fatal shooting during Kenosha protests arrested in Illinois

A teen accused in a fatal shooting during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin last night is in custody in Illinois.

www.cbsnews.com

"Cellphone video that circulated on social media showed what appeared to be a White man with a semi-automatic rifle opening fire on a group of people during demonstrations over the police shooting of Jacob Blake."

MSM may finally spin themselves out of control.

 

[redtail]

Go Perfect is not the one who retired.

They all look alike. lol j/k people...laughter is good, No matter what the dems say.

 

[Rap]

Go Perfect is not the one who retired.

There's no confusion in my mind between the two, lol. Thought they both did.

 

[carpediem]

So, an ANTIFA type is so emboldened by two nights of lawless behavior that he feels untouchable, and actually attacks a person with a rifle while armed with a skateboard? I would give him an "A" for effort, but an "F" in thinking his plan through. It surely didn't end the way it does in whatever fantasy world he was in. Good rule of thumb, give a wide path to the armed man in the crowd....

I would think a skateboard could be considered a deadly weapon though? Yes/No? isn't a pool cue considered a DW?

 

[Chevusa]

This kid may walk after all.

To my understanding you need to be 18 to open carry there. He is 17, so I'm sure he will be charged with something, but it certainly will not be murder.

 

[Jchrisls]

I was taught that at FLTC not in the military.

Pardon my ignorance, what is FLTC?

 

[holdover]

Pardon my ignorance, what is FLTC?

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center

 

[Jchrisls]

So, an ANTIFA type is so emboldened by two nights of lawless behavior that he feels untouchable, and actually attacks a person with a rifle while armed with a skateboard? I would give him an "A" for effort, but an "F" in thinking his plan through. It surely didn't end the way it does in whatever fantasy world he was in. Good rule of thumb, give a wide path to the armed man in the crowd....

I would think a skateboard could be considered a deadly weapon though? Yes/No? isn't a pool cue considered a DW?

Wouldn't anything that could cause great bodily harm or death be considered a deadly weapon?
Baseball bat, hammers, all included amongst the FBI statistics in homicides. I think a skateboard could be construed as a deadly weapon along with a pool cue.

 

[holdover]

Yup.