Buffalo Police Officers Cleared of All Charges

Carlos Hathcock · Feb 11, 2021

Good. If you're old enough to listen to directions, you should be wise enough to understand them.

Dr. Evil · Feb 11, 2021

What time should I riot?

stokes · Feb 11, 2021

Dr. Evil said:
What time should I riot?

There'll be no riots, he was white and possibly NOT a criminal.

stokes · Feb 11, 2021

I said "possibly" not a criminal.Its obvious he's a BLM supporter, but he IS white, they dont riot for white vs police incidents.

Saltwater60 · Feb 11, 2021

Chevusa said:
Not a crim? He has an arrest record longer than the line at the store for ammo, and he is a huge BLM lover.

He’s an asshole instigator. That’s what he has done his entire life. I’m glad as you are the cops were cleared.

they will be fired and black balled.

FRB · Feb 11, 2021

GREAT NEWS! Flynn is ANTICOP, he never should have even brought charges. Old man my foot, Gugino is a punk agitator and karma caught up with him. I said it very loudly on twitter on day one that this was 100% on Gugino. He was 100% at fault.

So I say, put that in your pipe and smoke it Flynn you anticop political hack DA!

Depick · Feb 11, 2021

Glad to hear! I went to HS with one of two and he’s a good man.

JaguarJaguarGolf · Feb 11, 2021

8 degrees tonight.

Too cold to riot.

FRB · Feb 11, 2021

Depick said:
Glad to hear! I went to HS with one of two and he’s a good man.

My nephew is on that squad. Well was.....

GOPerfect · Feb 12, 2021

I know both of them, one pretty well. Good guys.

Let us poke a couple of FACTS....

The old man got in the way. The old man is garbage. The old man did not listen to simple directions. The Police pushed him to the ground.

These are the facts in the case. Even with all of these FACTS, none of it on behavior of the two officers were criminal.

The actions of the Old bastard is not criminal either, not really, maybe minor charges but nothing all that much.

This was a good call by the Grand Jury, I think a very bad call by the Anti-cop DA> he is garbage.

Deplorable Me · Feb 12, 2021

JaguarJaguarGolf said:
8 degrees tonight.

Too cold to riot.

They'd lick the flag pole anyway.

Deplorable Me · Feb 12, 2021

GOPerfect said:
I know both of them, one pretty well. Good guys.

Let us poke a couple of FACTS....

The old man got in the way. The old man is garbage. The old man did not listen to simple directions. The Police pushed him to the ground.

These are the facts in the case. Even with all of these FACTS, none of it on behavior of the two officers were criminal.

The actions of the Old bastard is not criminal either, not really, maybe minor charges but nothing all that much.

This was a good call by the Grand Jury, I think a very bad call by the Anti-cop DA> he is garbage.

I work with the agitator types, in their little minds they justify their actions and can do no wrong. It's been getting worse. Can't wait to retire.

Plater1 · Feb 12, 2021

Civil rights lawsuit in 3,2,.........

Tinman · Feb 12, 2021

I am glad to hear that they were cleared. It all looked too fake to me. He is not even a good actor. Should have never made it to a grand jury. The D.A is a nitwit.

Saltwater60 · Feb 12, 2021

GOPerfect said:
I know both of them, one pretty well. Good guys.

Let us poke a couple of FACTS....

The old man got in the way. The old man is garbage. The old man did not listen to simple directions. The Police pushed him to the ground.

These are the facts in the case. Even with all of these FACTS, none of it on behavior of the two officers were criminal.

The actions of the Old bastard is not criminal either, not really, maybe minor charges but nothing all that much.

This was a good call by the Grand Jury, I think a very bad call by the Anti-cop DA> he is garbage.

I’d even agree that they pushed him to the ground. The cop pushed him and he tripped over his own two feet of I remember. Yes the push the officer gave him lead him to the ground but I doubt that was the officers intent.
Tell them to hang on and hope this gets sorted out.

drowhawk · Feb 12, 2021

I agree the criminal charges are BS based on what I saw. BUT, with that being said, I think a civil suit is MORE than appropriate. Even though nobody acted criminally in their intent, the officers certainly could have chosen a different method of controlling him. Why not just arrest the guy instead of pushing him? Maybe they though pushing him out of the way was the "nice" thing to do as opposed to arrest. Either way, if it was you or me, we would have gotten in a lot more trouble.

spat · Feb 12, 2021

drowhawk said:
I agree the criminal charges are BS based on what I saw. BUT, with that being said, I think a civil suit is MORE than appropriate. Even though nobody acted criminally in their intent, the officers certainly could have chosen a different method of controlling him. Why not just arrest the guy instead of pushing him? Maybe they though pushing him out of the way was the "nice" thing to do as opposed to arrest. Either way, if it was you or me, we would have gotten in a lot more trouble.

I disagree
There are tons of BLM folks that did far worse that walked away. Even the ones who got arrested were out in hours and suffered no consequences.

GOPerfect · Feb 12, 2021

drowhawk said:
I agree the criminal charges are BS based on what I saw. BUT, with that being said, I think a civil suit is MORE than appropriate. Even though nobody acted criminally in their intent, the officers certainly could have chosen a different method of controlling him. Why not just arrest the guy instead of pushing him? Maybe they though pushing him out of the way was the "nice" thing to do as opposed to arrest. Either way, if it was you or me, we would have gotten in a lot more trouble.

Criminal charges were and are complete shit. Why a civil suit?

Quick scenario... A construction site is in your area. There is no fence, security guards are there, (maybe a forum member working a second job), you try to enter, the Guard tells you to leave, you continue on the site fall in a hole and get hurt. Should you be able to sue? Same type of situation. A police line was walking, clearing the sidewalk of the rioters and protesters. This asshole got in the way of that line. He actually put himself in the direct path of the Officers.

He was off to the side, as the officers came down the sidewalk, he moved to intercept them. He put himself into that situation, why should the tax payers be on the hook for a situation that could have been avoided? Again, this old asshole created his mess.

As for not arresting him, that is not how the line works. The line of officers have a mission; a task... Clear the path that they were ordered to clear.

As for anyone else getting in deeper trouble, as a lay person, your job would never be to clear the sidewalk.

crunchberry · Feb 12, 2021

I remember that video. That guy looked like he was trying to sacrifice himself for a cause or something. The protestors there did not like him and were questioning him. He responded to one of them "I'm just here to watch the show" which the protestors did not like to hear. He didn't look like he was protesting with the other people, he was just standing to the side watching them. When the police showed up he instantly started acting like a retard and got right in a cops face and started flailing his arms around. A cop pushed him and he fell right down and started bleeding profusely from his ear.

stokes · Feb 12, 2021

drowhawk said:
I agree the criminal charges are BS based on what I saw. BUT, with that being said, I think a civil suit is MORE than appropriate. Even though nobody acted criminally in their intent, the officers certainly could have chosen a different method of controlling him. Why not just arrest the guy instead of pushing him? Maybe they though pushing him out of the way was the "nice" thing to do as opposed to arrest. Either way, if it was you or me, we would have gotten in a lot more trouble.

I got a better solution.How about these douchebags just fuckin move when the cop tells you to, especially during a riot.That douche bag shoulda had his head bashed in like they did in the 60's.

crunchberry · Feb 12, 2021

stokes said:
I got a better solution.How about these douchebags just fuckin move when the cop tells you to, especially during a riot.That douche bag shoulda had his head bashed in like they did in the 60's.

Seriously, thats what the cops were doing. They were telling everyone to leave and he went right up into a cops face.

If a cop gives me a lawful order I am going to obey and you should too. If you don't you're asking for trouble.

drowhawk · Feb 12, 2021

spat said:
I disagree
There are tons of BLM folks that did far worse that walked away. Even the ones who got arrested were out in hours and suffered no consequences.

Okay but I'm not talking about BLM. I'm talking about this specific scenario.

GOPerfect said:
Criminal charges were and are complete shit. Why a civil suit?

Quick scenario... A construction site is in your area. There is no fence, security guards are there, (maybe a forum member working a second job), you try to enter, the Guard tells you to leave, you continue on the site fall in a hole and get hurt. Should you be able to sue? Same type of situation. A police line was walking, clearing the sidewalk of the rioters and protesters. This asshole got in the way of that line. He actually put himself in the direct path of the Officers.

He was off to the side, as the officers came down the sidewalk, he moved to intercept them. He put himself into that situation, why should the tax payers be on the hook for a situation that could have been avoided? Again, this old asshole created his mess.

As for not arresting him, that is not how the line works. The line of officers have a mission; a task... Clear the path that they were ordered to clear.

As for anyone else getting in deeper trouble, as a lay person, your job would never be to clear the sidewalk.

Here's the thing: In your made up construction site scenario, the person who fell and got hurt would be able to sue and win. Not saying I agree with it but that is the reality. If you fall through my skylight onto a sharp corner of my kitchen counter as you are attempting a burglary, you can sue for the injuries in NY. Again, I don't agree with it. That's the reality.

If he was purposely obstructing their way, he should have been arrested and charged as such. There were enough officers to keep him under control without injuring. It's just super unprofessional on BPD's part. Pushing is what you do in high school. If he's obstructing, arrest him and take him away. Pushing him just feeds into the narrative they are trying to paint on LEO's. And it's working.

As far as me getting in deeper trouble, I was referring to using non-deadly force to prevent a crime from occurring. For example, I can use non-deadly force to remove a trespasser from my land. BUT if that force leads to an injury, that person has every right to sue me. And I can even be charged criminally at that point if it was excessive.

I'm very much a "punishment should fit the crime" type of person and I don't think the punishment of being pushed fit the crime of being an asshole. You're an asshole that's going to inconvenience us? Great. We're going to inconvenience you and make an arrest. The media would have NO narrative to perpetuate if they made better decisions.

drowhawk · Feb 12, 2021

stokes said:
I got a better solution.How about these douchebags just fuckin move when the *bounty hunter* tells you to, especially during a riot.That douche bag shoulda had his head bashed in like they did in the 60's.

See what I did there? Please explain how it's any different. The "people" have the rights. Not the establishment bureaucrats.

GOPerfect · Feb 12, 2021

drowhawk said:
Okay but I'm not talking about BLM. I'm talking about this specific scenario.

Here's the thing: In your made up construction site scenario, the person who fell and got hurt would be able to sue and win. Not saying I agree with it but that is the reality. If you fall through my skylight onto a sharp corner of my kitchen counter as you are attempting a burglary, you can sue for the injuries in NY. Again, I don't agree with it. That's the reality.

If he was purposely obstructing their way, he should have been arrested and charged as such. There were enough officers to keep him under control without injuring. It's just super unprofessional on BPD's part. Pushing is what you do in high school. If he's obstructing, arrest him and take him away. Pushing him just feeds into the narrative they are trying to paint on LEO's. And it's working.

As far as me getting in deeper trouble, I was referring to using non-deadly force to prevent a crime from occurring. For example, I can use non-deadly force to remove a trespasser from my land. BUT if that force leads to an injury, that person has every right to sue me. And I can even be charged criminally at that point if it was excessive.

I'm very much a "punishment should fit the crime" type of person and I don't think the punishment of being pushed fit the crime of being an asshole. You're an asshole that's going to inconvenience us? Great. We're going to inconvenience you and make an arrest. The media would have NO narrative to perpetuate if they made better decisions.

Now we are getting a bit deeper into Police work. The front of the line of Officers in an operation like this is to clear the path. This is what they were doing. If he had not tripped and if he had not gone down, and if he would have continued his interference, the officers in the rear of the line would have removed him and charged him.

This Right of lawsuit is completely out of control. I need to be called for these civil trials more often....

spat · Feb 12, 2021

GOPerfect said:
Now we are getting a bit deeper into Police work. The front of the line of Officers in an operation like this is to clear the path. This is what they were doing. If he had not tripped and if he had not gone down, and if he would have continued his interference, the officers in the rear of the line would have removed him and charged him.

This Right of lawsuit is completely out of control. I need to be called for these civil trials more often....

The fastest way to tort reform is to eliminate the immunity.

Once the government is on the hook (all of it, legislators, prosecutors, everyone) they will fix the liability issues tout de suite.

There is no excuse for 2 sets of rules. Everyone should play by the same rules, no matter who your employer is.

drowhawk · Feb 12, 2021

GOPerfect said:
Now we are getting a bit deeper into Police work. The front of the line of Officers in an operation like this is to clear the path. This is what they were doing. If he had not tripped and if he had not gone down, and if he would have continued his interference, the officers in the rear of the line would have removed him and charged him.

This Right of lawsuit is completely out of control. I need to be called for these civil trials more often....

Instead of pushing him, wouldn't it just be easier to affect an arrest with the officers at the back?

Again, I'm not saying they're criminals or they intended to hurt anyone. I just see that video and think "There's gotta be a better way."

Buffalo Police Officers Cleared of All Charges

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