NYS bill heads to cuomo’s desk for all cars sold in NYS to be electric by 2035
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dwa12479
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And the final Indian Point reactor will be going offline next month. Replaced by natural gas generators. Isn't that backwards?
dwa12479
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Barack Obama - 2008 said:
Economics can be influenced artificially. When Obama claims he's going to bankrupt the coal industry, there was a mad dash for an alternative. Yes, LNG has been on the rise for a while, and its better than coal, but coal still has a place. Its just like when anti-gun politicians get elected. Theres a mass run on guns and ammo, and prices skyrocket. Thats artificially altered economics.
These dunderheads want everything to go electric, but haven't the first damn clue how to power it all. California already has rolling brownouts during peak summer hours, whats going to happen when there's 50 million EVs plugged in overnight?
Deplorable Me
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That's an excellent point.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
You just need an extra long USB cable... problem solved.
Phazer
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Tell me how all of the street-parking city dwellers will charge their vehicles.
1075tech
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None of this "electrify everything" has anything to do with the environment. It's all about control. They will control who has lights and heat, who can cook, who can go anywhere without walking or bicycle.
Make your entire life depend on electricity. And they will control the electric
Make your entire life depend on electricity. And they will control the electric
FrankenCub
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I'll keep my non emission military beast going. No electric BS for me.
Saltwater60
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Did you read? I said Biden will, WILL trash coal or what’s left of it.
Economics didnt ruin coal. Obama and his environmental plans did so China took it cheap. This is one of the main reasons Trump was elected.
Saltwater60
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Look at your graph. You do know when Trump was elected right? 2016 if my memory serves me correct.
Saltwater60
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I’m going to be an asshole and run around and unplug peoples electric cars if they have a liberal political sign on their lawns.
meketrefe
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There is that minor detail of how we are going to get current electricity production to x5-x10 the current capacity.
Nobody is talking about that, the most important inconvenient truth.
Quite possibly none of these goons spent one single day at a basic physics class.
Ass smoke blowing at its best.
Nobody is talking about that, the most important inconvenient truth.
Quite possibly none of these goons spent one single day at a basic physics class.
Ass smoke blowing at its best.
And coal didn't make a comeback despite his friendly policies. That's how strong the economic forces behind the move away from coal are.
Coal mines aren't shutting down because China is buying the coal... if they were buying it, it would need to be mined...
For sure, Obama's policies didn't help coal at all, but it more has hastened the inevitable than caused it to go away. Similar to how the US govt. building roadways sped up the transition to cars, but even if the govt. didn't do that it would have happened eventually anyways because cars are just better. LNG is just better than coal.
I've said this before as well. All that power has to come from somewhere. And get to you somehow. That would require a massive overhaul of the electrical generation/grid. California already has rolling blackouts if they get a hot day. A stage 2 charger pulls 30-40 amps of 220. Roughly the equivalent of a central AC. What's going to happen when everyone comes home at 5:30 PM and plugs in their car? Where's all this new power going to come from?
Electric cars have a whole host of other issues too. Massive and toxic batteries. Charging times. Cold weather performance. What if you live in a place without private parking for a charger? What if you rent and landlord won't put in a car charger - do you just not drive now? Etc. etc. etc.
At their current stage I see electric cars as a non-viable solution in search of a problem.
Acer-m14
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ummm coal ..
FUAC .,. no Fracking ..
Biden .. shuts down pipe line ..
others .. ban fossil fuel
go nuclear power .. .. how are you going to lube the cooling water pumps bearings ?? whale lard ??
FUAC .,. no Fracking ..
Biden .. shuts down pipe line ..
others .. ban fossil fuel
go nuclear power .. .. how are you going to lube the cooling water pumps bearings ?? whale lard ??
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Hillbilly77
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They give less than a shit about whether the power grid can support all these electric vehicles.
They don't want us owning cars or living places where driving is necessary in the first place.
They want us all in cities and on public transportation.
They don't want us owning cars or living places where driving is necessary in the first place.
They want us all in cities and on public transportation.
Cavalry
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And to think I laughed when I first read the agenda 21 crap 20 years ago. I thought to myself how would they possibly get everyone to move to the cities?
Saltwater60
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If the plants were closed they were not going to reopen them.
Seems Standord university says the main reason is environmental regulations.
Yes it does say a bit of financial stuff but the environmental regulations came first and the financials came secondary.
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Saltwater60
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Wow we agree on something.
Saltwater60
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From the article as well. They won’t build new coal fired plants because some other politician can just say oh coal bad shut them down. Coal will never come back to what it was because of this. The sulfur scrubbing emissions standards are just too great.
Yes as stated it’s a combination of both but environmental regs started it all. Once moved away from coal there’s no going back.
Now, nearly 50 years after the 1970 Act, shuttering of old power plants has finally begun. As can be seen from Figure 3, the coal plants retired in 2015 were quite old (the oldest began operation in 1944, the year the Allies landed in Normandy). In fact, as can also be seen from the figure, nearly all of the plants retired began operating more than 40 years ago. This suggests that the decline in coal-fired electricity generation is largely the result of an aging fleet of power plants, which may well have been retired years ago absent the Clean Air Act’s grandfathering clause.
Keep in mind gasoline powered cars and gas will likely follow the same trend and it’s not because battery powered cars are cheaper. It’s laws like these that are fueling this.
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livingston
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One only has to look to the california gun roster
livingston
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fossil fuels are bad .... In their mind... Look at everything we make that has some petroleum product in them ... Same thing with beef... Biden said we will cut meat production by 90 % ... I saw the youtube video.. It now has been scrubbed off the internet. .. Scopes says mainly false...Never said it... the by-products we get from beef is tremendous.
Same as oil.
the most common plastic in the world, frequently used for packaging, bottles, and synthetic clothing), and at a dehydrogenation plant, propane is made into propylene (the foundation of polypropylene - a plastic commonly found in food packaging and vehicle manufacturing).
“The reason is simple: because of shale gas, it is more cost effective to produce ethylene in U.S. than just about anywhere else in the world.” - Excerpt from American Chemistry Council.
www.surfrider.org
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Democrats main concept to governing is to ban everything they don't like. Guns,oil, beef ... The list goes on and on.. No compromise .
Same as oil.
the most common plastic in the world, frequently used for packaging, bottles, and synthetic clothing), and at a dehydrogenation plant, propane is made into propylene (the foundation of polypropylene - a plastic commonly found in food packaging and vehicle manufacturing).
“The reason is simple: because of shale gas, it is more cost effective to produce ethylene in U.S. than just about anywhere else in the world.” - Excerpt from American Chemistry Council.
The Link Between Fossil Fuels, Single-Use Plastics, and Climate Change
When we think of plastic pollution, we think of images of plastic bags on the beach, suffering marine life, and the almost invisible smog of microplastics in our ocean. What often gets overlooked is the fact that conventional plastic is made from fossil fuels, and is a product of the oil and gas...
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Democrats main concept to governing is to ban everything they don't like. Guns,oil, beef ... The list goes on and on.. No compromise .
Honestly I don't know about that. These people get raging mad about "green" everything. As the saying goes, Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Shadow rider
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TEOTWAWKI inc.
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I have zero plans to own an electric vehicle, and if it is the law, I will go out of my way to break it.
It would be funny if they could run off a generator in tow.
It would be funny if they could run off a generator in tow.
STS556
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My dad brought up this fact when we were talking about California doing this. What about big apartment complexes and renters who don't own their property? It would be impossible for those people to have electric cars, unless the government is going to pay for enough charging stations for apartment complexes and rental houses.
meketrefe
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Their knee jerking agenda works with the premise that people are ignorant as soon as some ideas sound good. Then, later, they will have to resort to plan B when plan A does not work because it never had a chance to work.
Plan A: we all are going to have awesome electric cars.
Plan B: there is no plan B.
Cheap politics at their best.
Plan A: we all are going to have awesome electric cars.
Plan B: there is no plan B.
Cheap politics at their best.
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