Massive anti communist demonstrations taking place across Cuba 7/11/21

[GOPerfect]

Maybe I am looking at this Cuba thing wrong? If so, set me straight.

I will begin by saying that I do not care what they do or do not do in their Country.

I will add, I do not care how the government treats the people, good, bad or indifferent. I just don't care.

I am all for a good protest, I love watching them. Not sure if I really ever participated in one though. I have been to some, mostly to watch others.

Isn't what is occurring in Cuba very similar to what Antifa and bLM is doing in the US? These groups are very unhappy with our government so they are taking to the streets in mob fashion.

How are the Cubans different form Antifia here in the US?

 

[tirwin1]

Isn't what is occurring in Cuba very similar to what Antifa and bLM is doing in the US? These groups are very unhappy with our government so they are taking to the streets in mob fashion.

How are the Cubans different form Antifia here in the US?

Good questions. For starters the Cubans aren't masked like the antifa goons.

I have not seen anything specific about the demands of the Cubans but my guess is they are seeking a more open and democratic society whereas the antifa goons want to implement a Cuban style dictatorship of the proletariat.

The US should encourage the Cuban people in their efforts to overthrow the current oppressive regime. I'm not sure we should be sending troops in to help.

 

[GOPerfect]

Good questions. For starters the Cubans aren't masked like the antifa goons.

I have not seen anything specific about the demands of the Cubans but my guess is they are seeking a more open and democratic society whereas the antifa goons want to implement a Cuban style dictatorship of the proletariat.

The US should encourage the Cuban people in their efforts to overthrow the current oppressive regime. I'm not sure we should be sending troops in to help.

So, like antifa, the Cubans want a different form of government?

 

[Robin]

 

[tirwin1]

So, like antifa, the Cubans want a different form of government?

Yes. If you believe all forms of government are equally legitimate (democracies through dictatorships) then it's easy to dismiss the protests of the Cubans by viewing them as similar to antifa.

That's a legitimate point of view I suppose but not one I share.

 

[spat]

Maybe I am looking at this Cuba thing wrong? If so, set me straight.

I will begin by saying that I do not care what they do or do not do in their Country.

I will add, I do not care how the government treats the people, good, bad or indifferent. I just don't care.

I am all for a good protest, I love watching them. Not sure if I really ever participated in one though. I have been to some, mostly to watch others.

Isn't what is occurring in Cuba very similar to what Antifa and bLM is doing in the US? These groups are very unhappy with our government so they are taking to the streets in mob fashion.

How are the Cubans different form Antifia here in the US?

The Cubans are actually oppressed and the Antifa and BLM folks are just tools for people who are trying to oppress the rest of us ?

 

[GOPerfect]

Good questions. For starters the Cubans aren't masked like the antifa goons.

I have not seen anything specific about the demands of the Cubans but my guess is they are seeking a more open and democratic society whereas the antifa goons want to implement a Cuban style dictatorship of the proletariat.

The US should encourage the Cuban people in their efforts to overthrow the current oppressive regime. I'm not sure we should be sending troops in to help.

So, like antifa, the Cubans want a different form of government?

The Cubans are actually oppressed and the Antifa and BLM folks are just tools for people who are trying to oppress the rest of us ?

I get that. But, antifa people and blm think they are being oppressed and are only trying to change the way they are governed.

I have no idea the real truths in Cuba, nor do I care. This seems like another situation that the old adage fits:

One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.

I see many similarities between these groups.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yes. If you believe all forms of government are equally legitimate (democracies through dictatorships) then it's easy to dismiss the protests of the Cubans by viewing them as similar to antifa.

That's a legitimate point of view I suppose but not one I share.

Whoa, not saying I agree, just thlrying to have a good conversation.

I have been to many places on this globe of ours, I have seen many different types of government systems; no, not all are equal.

 

[Grimscale]

But, antifa people and blm think they are being oppressed and are only trying to change the way they are governed.

Actually, I don't believe that they think they are being oppressed. I believe that they see this as a way to "get power" and "stick it to whiteys", all while collecting free shit.

 

[SomeSoldier]

This is debatable but draws on some truth. The USA before pearl harbor was happy to fuck off in its own borders, something that I think it owes an apology to the allies for. Yes, it did assist the war effort, but it was trying to skirt the fence.

I think the US had every right to not enter the war. There was no bone in that fight for us. I think we owe no one anything. As far as I am concerned most of the world can fuck right off. We are not and should not be the world's police.

 

[SomeSoldier]

So, like antifa, the Cubans want a different form of government?

This is where I think the narrative is wrong. Most of these people could give a flying fuck what gov is in charge. I think most just want everything gifted to them, others are paid, very few believe in the actual cause which is the destruction of freedom.

 

[spat]

So, like antifa, the Cubans want a different form of government?




I get that. But, antifa people and blm think they are being oppressed and are only trying to change the way they are governed.

I have no idea the real truths in Cuba, nor do I care. This seems like another situation that the old adage fits:

One person's freedom fighter is another person's terrorist.

I see many similarities between these groups.

Yes, both groups look at the other and claim they are wrong.

But that doesn't make their claims equal.

If two guys stand up, and one says 2+2=5 and the other says the answer is 4, and both use the same argument, that doesn't mean their claims are equal.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[DoD1776]

 

[Mosinitis]

Let's review how regime change schemes work.

1. Attack target country with economic sanctions to create public discontent.
2. Escalate economic attack when the country is hit with another crisis. (Covid-19)
3. Use a network of CIA paid agitators to get people to come out on to the streets and demand their government do something about shortages. At this point the people want THEIR government do more about their problems, they don't really want to overthrow it and create a puppet state for another country.
5. Hijack the protests and place them under the banner of regime change by using immigrant communities abroad and displaying American flags.
6. Escalate violence by using paid thugs and criminals to attack cops and elicit appropriate response by authorities.
7. Use Washington propaganda cartel to broadcast to the world fairytales about evil and brutal dictator.
8. Sneak in CIA trained insurgents to escalate violence and facilitate overthrow of the government, WHICH WASN'T WHY THE PEOPLE CAME OUT FOR in the beginning.
9. Install a puppet government that will serve American interests, not the interests of their nation or its people.
10. Elicit bribary and kickbacks from newly installed government to line the pockets of sleazy and corrupt American politicians who supported this assfuckery.

 

[tirwin1]

Let's review how regime change schemes work.

1. Attack target country with economic sanctions to create public discontent.
2. Escalate economic attack when the country is hit with another crisis. (Covid-19)
3. Use a network of CIA paid agitators to get people to come out on to the streets and demand their government do something about shortages. At this point the people want THEIR government do more about their problems, they don't really want to overthrow it and create a puppet state for another country.
5. Hijack the protests and place them under the banner of regime change by using immigrant communities abroad and displaying American flags.
6. Escalate violence by using paid thugs and criminals to attack cops and elicit appropriate response by authorities.
7. Use Washington propaganda cartel to broadcast to the world fairytales about evil and brutal dictator.
8. Sneak in CIA trained insurgents to escalate violence and facilitate overthrow of the government, WHICH WASN'T WHY THE PEOPLE CAME OUT FOR in the beginning.
9. Install a puppet government that will serve American interests, not the interests of their nation.
10. Elicit bribary and kickbacks from newly installed government to line the pockets of sleazy and corrupt American politicians who supported this assfuckery.

So what year did you leave the CIA?

 

[Mosinitis]

So what year did you leave the CIA?

My inactive reserve obligation with the USMCR expired in 1990. I was never connected or involved with the CIA in any way, shape or form.

 

[Robin]

So what year did you leave the KGB?
Robin

 

[Mosinitis]

Most of the American people couldn't care less about the consequences of these regime changes to people outside our borders. As long as our ideological nerrative prevails. Our Supreme Values forced on other cultures is celebrated as a victory. Human toll of these soft and not so soft agressions is ignored. The only time Americans give it another thought is when it backfires, like it did on 9/11.

 

[Mosinitis]

So what year did you leave the KGB?
Robin

In retrospect most of the KGB's actions were justified. There was a continuous effort by the West to destroy their country before, during and after communist rule.

 

[Robin]

 

[Mosinitis]

Just holding up a mirror to your ugly face.

 

[spat]

In retrospect most of the KGB's actions were justified. There was a continuous effort by the West to destroy their country before, during and after communist rule.

Wow


Just Wow.


I think you just blew the last shred of credibility you had with anyone here.

 

[Mosinitis]

Wow


Just Wow.


I think you just blew the last shred of credibility you had with anyone here.

We all know what happened to the Soviet Union after Gorbachev made a mistake of believing in good intentions coming from the West.

 

[spat]

We all know what happened to the Soviet Union after Gorbachev made a mistake of believing in good intentions coming from the West.

Yea, their people gained a lot of their freedom back.

 

[Robin]

 

[Mosinitis]

Yea, their people gained a lot of their freedom back.

It plunged the country into social chaos, economic collapse, numerous internal armed conflicts and loss of territory which will never return.

 

[Mosinitis]

Centralized economy needed to be reformed and transfer to market economy should have been made, but without participation of the West which had its own plan for Russia.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Centralized economy needed to be reformed and transfer to market economy should have been made, but without participation of the West which had its own plan for Russia.

Well maybe all these countries should practice isolationism. I wish ours would. Maybe everyone should stop looking to everyone else for help.

 

[1911guy]

Disgruntled ex marine.