Springfield and Rock River, Still Evil?

Saltwater60 said:

Another indication that people like the xd line up is that I do t see used ones very often at all. In fact I see a lot of used glocks. Could be there are more glocks in circulation and I’m not saying glocks are inferior, but I liked the xd trigger way better and I felt it was built more solidly than a glock for $100 less.

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I went today and looked at more pistols. I was finally able to handle the glock 43 which was the one glock I wasn’t able to see because it wasn’t available at the store I bought my XDs at. I happen to actually like the 43 both in 9mm and 40. I also liked the M&P shield but the grip was a little much for me and felt like I was holding sandpaper.

Edwardteach72 said:

Atleast S&W and Ruger have been making good stuff and have always made stuff, unlike Springfield

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Help me understand how a company who’s many firearms are built off the same blue prints and identical specifications as the originals are junk products?

Spohn315 said:

..........I also liked the M&P shield but the grip was a little much for me and felt like I was holding sandpaper.

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The Gen 2 version? The Gen 1s are much smoother, which most people complained about.
I'm still rocking one myself.

Podmonkey said:

The Gen 2 version? The Gen 1s are much smoother, which most people complained about.
I'm still rocking one myself.

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Yeah Gen 2 version. I told myself too that if the grip was a little smoother it would be one I’d be adding to the collection sometime.

Spohn315 said:

Yeah Gen 2 version. I told myself too that if the grip was a little smoother it would be one I’d be adding to the collection sometime.

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The orginal Shields can be had for a much reduced price since the Gen 2s dropped.
All they changed is the grip texture and added a tiny useless bit of forward slide serration.
I don't think I will bother upgrading. But I really like the Shield, its good in the hand, comfortable, accurate, controllable and very reliable. Conceals just fine under a light T shirt.

Podmonkey said:

The orginal Shields can be had for a much reduced price since the Gen 2s dropped.
All they changed is the grip texture and added a tiny useless bit of forward slide serration.
I don't think I will bother upgrading. But I really like the Shield, its good in the hand, comfortable, accurate, controllable and very reliable. Conceals just fine under a light T shirt.

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I will definitely look into a gen1 then in the future!

Spohn315 said:

I went today and looked at more pistols. I was finally able to handle the glock 43 which was the one glock I wasn’t able to see because it wasn’t available at the store I bought my XDs at. I happen to actually like the 43 both in 9mm and 40. I also liked the M&P shield but the grip was a little much for me and felt like I was holding sandpaper.

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The glock 43 doesn’t come in .40 cal. Do you mean the 26/27? G43 - GLOCK 43 - G43 Slimline 9mm

Saltwater60 said:

The glock 43 doesn’t come in .40 cal. Do you mean the 26/27? G43 - GLOCK 43 - G43 Slimline 9mm

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Yes I meant the Glock 27. It’s been such a long day i just finally got around to actually sit down lol

Saltwater60 said:

The glock 43 doesn’t come in .40 cal. Do you mean the 26/27? G43 - GLOCK 43 - G43 Slimline 9mm

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I liked them both the 43 in 9mm and the 27 in .40

I liked the Walther Creed also. I thought that was pretty nice.

I like my triggers on my glocks over my xds. The xd is a older model, it’s the service model.

NYGuns said:

If I were to boycott everything I didn't agree with I would be living in a box in the woods somewhere. I love my Springfields.

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Couldn’t agree with this statement more. I also don’t care for the spread of false information myself.

Spohn315 said:

Couldn’t agree with this statement more. I also don’t care for the spread of false information myself.

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Lmao false information, what false info?

Edwardteach72 said:

Lmao false information, what false info?

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Oh let’s not play the clueless game come on now lol. Just about every dig you’ve thrown at Springfield holds no value other than a recall 6 years ago and the fact you just love to hate them. Just because you have a strong personal dislike for something for your own invalid reasons doesn’t mean those reasons are factual. My friends weren’t lying when they said some people just love to hate on this company for no reason lol.

Spohn315 said:

Oh let’s not play the clueless game come on now lol. Just about every dig you’ve thrown at Springfield holds no value other than a recall 6 years ago and the fact you just love to hate them. Just because you have a strong personal dislike for something for your own invalid reasons doesn’t mean those reasons are factual. My friends weren’t lying when they said some people just love to hate on this company for no reason lol.

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Doesnt hold true? What ever, enjoy you terrible investment hopefully you dont end up like the number of people who have to shop a gun with a live round in the chamber back to the factory because the trash grip safety breaks like its prone to do.

Sorry I have never met anyone who actually traded down from a glock or a smith to an xd (wait I lied. One buddy and his only reasoning was the full size .45 version carried more ammo than any other .45 of that size on the market or some dumb shit)

But I do know most xd users dither them for literally any other gun they can find

Edwardteach72 said:

Doesnt hold true? What ever, enjoy you terrible investment hopefully you dont end up like the number of people who have to shop a gun with a live round in the chamber back to the factory because the trash grip safety breaks like its prone to do.

Sorry I have never met anyone who actually traded down from a glock or a smith to an xd (wait I lied. One buddy and his only reasoning was the full size .45 version carried more ammo than any other .45 of that size on the market or some dumb shit)

But I do know most xd users dither them for literally any other gun they can find

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Come on man I can pull up plenty of videos on the opposite spectrum of what you posted. In fact I can pull up plenty of videos that give plenty praise to the XD. No firearm is immune to mechanical failure. Neither is anything else in this world. So many people are trying to ditch these guns according to you and these guns are so terrible, that they’re on every shelf and there’s not an over abundance of them for sale used.

So by your theory people must just be throwing these guns out in the garbage. Funny that they’re so terrible but I have multiple friends with the pistol with no issues and a good friend of mine who is LE is purchasing the exact XDs that I did because he liked it so much. I guess we’re all just crazy.

Oh boy a LE is buying one and your friends have one with a few rounds down range.

How many agencies use them (oh and many agencies try to get the best "deal" aka cheap, and guess what even at the huge mark up the SA adds they are still a cheap gun, that's why many new gun owners buy them) next how many of the top instructors carry one? I'm not interested in what Billy bibbob shoots PBR cans with in his grandpappies back yard maybe 200 rounds a year..

I do believe 1, 1, ONE military uses them in the whole world.

Back in the 90s when there was not much to choose from is how and why those guns are around, now they stick around because they are a price point step above a high point and SA has to offer like 15 magazines a shit holster and 500 rounds of ammo to make the purchase look decent.

I have no gun in this fight but what I will say is; if the XD is what you’re comfortable with, and you shoot it well.. rock on. What other people like/use is up to them. I consider myself to be a bit of a snob when it comes to my equipment, however I would never talk down on anyone else’s.

Shooting is what shuts everybody up. Master the basics, and adjust your kit according to your needs. By no means am I trying to toot my own horn but... I qual yearly for work with a rifle and pistol, and I’m pretty sure I could run a Hi Point and beat anyone in my department. Guys at work love to talk gun... shooting, not so much.

As for Springfield, I’ve never owned a firearm from them. For a while I wanted to pick up one of their TRP’s...Maybe someday, who knows.

Edwardteach72 said:

Doesnt hold true? What ever, enjoy you terrible investment hopefully you dont end up like the number of people who have to shop a gun with a live round in the chamber back to the factory because the trash grip safety breaks like its prone to do.

Sorry I have never met anyone who actually traded down from a glock or a smith to an xd (wait I lied. One buddy and his only reasoning was the full size .45 version carried more ammo than any other .45 of that size on the market or some dumb shit)

But I do know most xd users dither them for literally any other gun they can find

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What I find funny is that you and this guy basically said the same thing great gun whennit was the h2000, but now that Springfield put their name on it and charges more it’s garbage. So what is it a good gun or garbage. Just because the price went up doesn’t mean it’s junk.

Also you can replace that roll pin for like $4.00 or something.

I was more upset by Springfield and Rock River screwing over gun owners and retailers in Illinois for their own benefit than I was about a recall. Its my understanding that since then, they've seen the error of their ways and have repented. That's good enough for me.

Jaywmustang said:

I like my triggers on my glocks over my xds. The xd is a older model, it’s the service model.

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The Powder River spring kit improved the trigger on my XDS 9mm.

Phazer said:

The Powder River spring kit improved the trigger on my XDS 9mm.

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Is yours the service or slim model?

Edwardteach72 said:

Oh boy a LE is buying one and your friends have one with a few rounds down range.

How many agencies use them (oh and many agencies try to get the best "deal" aka cheap, and guess what even at the huge mark up the SA adds they are still a cheap gun, that's why many new gun owners buy them) next how many of the top instructors carry one? I'm not interested in what Billy bibbob shoots PBR cans with in his grandpappies back yard maybe 200 rounds a year..

I do believe 1, 1, ONE military uses them in the whole world.

Back in the 90s when there was not much to choose from is how and why those guns are around, now they stick around because they are a price point step above a high point and SA has to offer like 15 magazines a shit holster and 500 rounds of ammo to make the purchase look decent.

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The fact that you just made the assumption that me and my friends sit around and shoot pbr cans at only 200 rounds a year is just mind blowing and speaks volumes about you lol. I may not have a bunch of experience with pistols themselves but my friends and family have plenty. Also funny you assumed my friends department was supplying him the pistol because it was cheap. He’s buying it himself because he loves it and he’s not new to pistols at all clearly.

But hey whatever you say man I’ve seen a bunch of your posts on here and it seems like if someone isn’t talking up what you sport then they’re all shit with trash equipment. Im going to politely end this disagreement with, when you have a legitimate reason to hate them and not a made up one that you made up just because you watched some YouTube videos and want to hate them. Let me know. In the mean time it would be cool if you stopped telling people they are dangerous when we all know that’s false or they wouldn’t be on shelves. Better to give no information than bad or biased information than to scare the shit out of people.

Spohn315 said:

The fact that you just made the assumption that me and my friends sit around and shoot pbr cans at only 200 rounds a year is just mind blowing and speaks volumes about you lol. I may not have a bunch of experience with pistols themselves but my friends and family have plenty. Also funny you assumed my friends department was supplying him the pistol because it was cheap. He’s buying it himself because he loves it and he’s not new to pistols at all clearly.

But hey whatever you say man I’ve seen a bunch of your posts on here and it seems like if someone isn’t talking up what you sport then they’re all shit with trash equipment. Im going to politely end this disagreement with, when you have a legitimate reason to hate them and not a made up one that you made up just because you watched some YouTube videos and want to hate them. Let me know. In the mean time it would be cool if you stopped telling people they are dangerous when we all know that’s false or they wouldn’t be on shelves. Better to give no information than bad or biased information than to scare the shit out of people.

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I never said his department was supplying him an XD, I actually stated that not one department in this country would ever waste money and risk their officers lives by giving them one of these guns, of course he is buying it himself. Hell I bet its not even on the list of department approved back up guns

Saltwater60 said:

What I find funny is that you and this guy basically said the same thing great gun whennit was the h2000, but now that Springfield put their name on it and charges more it’s garbage. So what is it a good gun or garbage. Just because the price went up doesn’t mean it’s junk.

Also you can replace that roll pin for like $4.00 or something.

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A high point is actually a pretty good gun especially at $100.00 (and honestly the company is leaps and bounds better in being pro 2A than SA ever will be) but jump the price up to $400 and try to put it in the same category as glock, cz, hk, s&w than yes it is trash

Edwardteach72 said:

I never said his department was supplying him an XD, I actually stated that not one department in this country would ever waste money and risk their officers lives by giving them one of these guns, of course he is buying it himself. Hell I bet its not even on the list of department approved back up guns

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Funny story. A lot more police officers actually have XD’s in their holsters than I think you’d care to hear about so I’ll save you the annoyment of learning those facts lol.

Spohn315 said:

Funny story. A lot more police officers actually have XD’s in their holsters than I think you’d care to hear about so I’ll save you the annoyment of learning those facts lol.

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Hahha name one agency that uses an XD as a duty gun

Edwardteach72 said:

Hahha name one agency that uses an XD as a duty gun

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65+ agencies issuing and 49+ approving if that’s what the officer wants. That was 8 years ago. I’m sure the number is higher now.

Spohn315 said:

65+ agencies issuing and 49+ approving if that’s what the officer wants. That was 8 years ago. I’m sure the number is higher now.

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Source?