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Sorry I assumed it was a single action. Must be something in the release button but now I'm curious too.

I've seen this problem before. It may just be the cylinder pin is not quite in position or may have multi positions. Good luck

I understand what you are saying but can't see where the state will give up forcing FFL's to keep a log, check or no check.

The problem is that the FFL MUST keep a record of all ammo sales with all the information that is used on the ammunition background check. That record can be looked at by the State police anytime they feel like checking on the FFL simply because they can check for compliance on every aspect of...

They are not denying they are delaying and 99.9999% come back proceed within a day or two. It's just a flawed f'd up system. I personally think that is on purpose and by design.

It happens because they rolled out this system knowing full well it was full of flaws. Walmart, Runnings or the local FFL all go through the same system. Don't be confused because that is exactly what they wanted and is happening.

"I miss my lifetime home dearly, and resent those bureaucrats who are destroying it. But New Yorkistan will never be my home again." I hear ya. I guess I may be an old fool who doesn't know when to throw in the towel. If it's at all possible for me to stay near the things that I love, I will...

As I was saying, I agree that the grass is greener outside of NY, for now. I'm in a gun shop almost daily and hear a lot of bitching. When asked if they sent a simple email or called their representatives the answer is no 99% of the time. Do you vote? No sense in that is the biggest answer I...

Yea, for a short term answer. Look at elections that show red states going purple and some already to blue. Virginia as an example. We, as gun owners, tend to put our faith in the court system that has done little for us. Look at the news, Palestinian sympathizers taking to the streets daily and...

"Running a Check without a Transfer intended (test) is prohibited, additionally the type IS required (Handgun, Long Gun, Other/Frame/receiver)" Under the state system it's not that easy. They require specific make, model and serial number along with type. They also require name, address, phone...

The state background check is not as easy as the federal check was. The check has all the information for that specific firearm unlike the federal check. When a denied check occurs it doesn't end there. The ATF will follow up and want a copy of the 4473 and ask you what you did with that...

That's kind of my point. An FFL spends more time on the computer running background checks than mingling with their customers whether they buy or not thus hurting customer relations. There are customers who come right out and tell you they may have a problem with the NYNICS check but want to...

When a transaction is denied, which is very infrequent, the FFL has already spent a lot of time trying to sell the item. Is their time worth anything and would you work for nothing? A delay is another story as you just have to wait for a definitive answer. I've personally seen, not someone...

The state actually uses the federal NICS system and is just a middle man. The FFL still has to retain the 4473 for 20years as always per federal law. Not sure how Ammo sales are handled by the state as it is illegal to use the federal NICS system for anything other than a firearm or serialized part.

They are already doing so, that's how they operate.

I thought this was a thread about new background checks, but it now seems to be about bacon and fireworks.

Oh they can sell it but must ship to a NY FFL to pick up. That does not take a background check to do until you pick it up in NY. Have you witnessed a background check to a NYer who walked out the door legally?

Oh I do but also know the majority of gun owners won't bitch to anyone but themselves.

You may not like it, nor do I but our own government knows a lot more about you than many think they do. Unless you are a hermit and have absolutely no contact with anything you can and will be in their data base. Think about it, if you have a S.S. number they have been tracking you since birth.

He was just told they couldn't sell to NY residents. PA does have a state run background check system, maybe that has something to do with it.

It was a Henry lever action .410. My friend goes to PA every couple of weeks and is on a first name basis with numerous FFL's. I don't know if it's a law but why would several dealers not sell him a long gun? I'm telling you what happened in actuality not some hearsay that I heard from my...

About which part? A friend went to PA yesterday and could buy all the ammo he wanted but not one of the gun shops would sell him a long gun. So yes, I'd say I'm sure because I got first hand info from a very reliable source.

As it is right now PA businesses can't sell a firearm to a NY resident. Don't you think Hochul and James are already working with PA officials to ban them from selling ammo to us as we speak? Look, I don't agree with the data required to purchase ammo but I do know that by me calling and...

You are absolutely right but if a shop owner wants to stay in business, what choice do they have?

A very good friend of mine is an FFL and has told me there is no such form. They made their own with the required questions as they don't want to keep a customer standing right there while they conduct an interrogation. some of the questions that are required are name, address, telephone number...

I watched a friend get delayed on a gun and ammo yesterday. Went back today and bought 2 boxes of bird shot and got a proceed but the prior days purchase is still delayed. I feel the pain right along with you.

I doubt there is any FFL that can comply with all the regulations to operate their business. As an example, they must have a security camera showing the door from the inside and outside 24 hours a day and recordings kept for 2 years. After contacting their security people, a friend of mine told...

When you buy the gun one person does NICS check and gets the needed receipt then 2,3 or whatever people go to the county clerk and co-register it. One background check for the actual buyer. County clerk handles the rest. When the NICS check is done online or on the phone the serial number is...

No, the dealer obeyed the law and wasn't going to do anything to jeopardize his business. By the way, even if you pass a NICS check, the dealer is not obligated to sell it to you if he suspects something is not right. That is left up to any dealers discretion.

Very true but it is the law until somehow its changed.

It is much more of a hassle than you described. It don't really matter if its one day or a year FFL has to accept delivery, unpack it, log it in their book and then notify buyer that it is ready for pickup. some show up before it is logged in because tracking told them it was delivered and they...

By the description of those guns it looks like they all would predate the 4473

Exactly the way it's supposed to be done. Good to go.

MY response was one regarding yours that said it was lost in boating accident or just fell overboard. How can there be a buyer if your excuse is the gun was lost out on the lake?

Every state has their own laws for accepting out of state transfers. It is best to check with the party directly who will be accepting the transfer. NY requires every handgun to be on someones pistol permit or in the possession of an FFL. I suppose if you are in possession of a handgun not on...

The clerk would in all likelihood have you go to some law enforcement and file a lost or stolen form and get paperwork stating you did so. Ever lose a license plate in NY? The DMV won't replace it without you going to LE and reporting it lost or stolen. I'm pretty sure they won't make it easy...

I use them in a AR9. Had problems with Glock 17 mags but when using Amend 2 the problems disappeared.

Chicken Shoot, You kept telling me how wrong I am and then had Kristy respond in another post. It's been some time now and Kristy said she was going to check with the ATF people she works closely with. I'm wondering what she found out. If I'm wrong I will admit it and I would expect you to do...

That is true but a 4473 NICS check is a federal form and the 30 day wait is a state law and those are two rules that are uniform for everyone.

Been pretty quiet here from those that blasted me for doing things illegal, according to them, and was just wondering what those who criticized me have come up with after their research. I'd be interested in what you all came up with and I'm particularly interested in why there is a...

Yea I guess if you want to find a way to nit pick a way to call or make it abuse of the system then I guess YOU could call it that. Yes in our market , that covers all of WNY, most are back in days and some are back the same day. Now as far as waiting 6 weeks, don't you think those people would...

No I am not *expecting* to have to do a second check but if the first is delayed And Cuomo's 30 day wait comes into play it is probably going to be necessary. If you wait to run the check until the day it's going to be picked up it could still be delayed with no definitive answer for 30 days...

Since Cuomo made his 30 day wait law, many have necessitated a second check and with the covid many have needed to redo a 4473 as the first expired. Explanation: according to law we had to run 2nd check because of 30 day wait, covid delays, and some people were just too lazy or didn't know the...

Your FFL does the check and if you get delayed or denied it becomes their problem. Not monetary because you paid for it but if just delayed and get proceed , no problem. If delay goes to "open" or denied it is a problem for you and the FFL to work out. NICS checks MUST be done in person.

Well this whole thread kinda blew up with Chicken Shoot and then he had his wife jump in. So where do we stand Chicken Shoot? I'm looking forward to you and your wifes opinion, or fact, after she talked to her ATF contact. Not being a pain in the ass but inquiring minds would like to know.

Are you sure you have to purchase before they will approve your permit? Or is it you must have a gun to put on your permit when *actually* picking it up? I have seen numerous people with acceptance letters from their county telling them they are approved and the FFL uses that when selling the...

I believe he said he wouldn't give a receipt without the background check. Why would an FFL sell a gun and have to store it for God knows how long not knowing if ever a person will actually apply for a permit? If a person has an acceptance letter for their permit then that's a different story.

THANK You Tony, some one with common sense finally. And not liberal common sense!!!!

Yea, a hypothetical way of making some one elses life harder for your own benefit. It would make for a confusing transaction and maybe in the end be less paper work but a major pain in the ass you gave the FFL. You might think they are making tons of money but in fact they don't have have the...

Yep you are right as far as Livingston County goes but you still can't pick up the gun without a coupon and a NICS check. If you are never going to take possession as you are using it for an investment you are screwing the FFL over because they still have time, paperwork and have to store it for...