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He is one of the few who voice his opinion in the state legislature standing up for our rights. By the way, he was originally sworn in on the eve of the UNSAFE act and fights against it to this day. This whole thing is nothing more than a political "hit" piece without any semblance to who the...

Just take a copy of death certificate and the deceased pistol permit to an FFL. Don't deal with law enforcement if possible. Don't make a mountain out of a simple process.

I also am going on 73 and our OPINIONS are just that, opinions. America will never wake up as long as people have a I don't give a .... attitude. I really don't care what you were but now it seems you are defeated.

You are correct, and that is their plan. Ignore us and we will eventually just go away. Gun owners are their own worst enemy. By the way, I'm old and have taken criticism my whole life for my opinions and it doesn't bother me at all when others disagree.

I can agree with all of that but I'm just a crusty old man who, if I don't agree with someone especially a politician, I go right to the source and let them know. After 70+ years it is your right to not want to give a "phuck" anymore, but your original post said you were pissed at a store for...

Wasn't replying to you. I know who caused this mess. What did I say that could come back to haunt me?

Look, I'm 72 years old and have been preaching how we are are own worst enemy for probably longer than you've been alive. Don't tell me I have no "phucking idea" about anything. Maybe you should go sit in a corner as you have no idea what you have no experience in. I deal with it everyday but...

You say NY tyrants but your whole comment was aimed at the FFL complying with the law. Are you going to have your lawyer send a letter to the NY tyrants notifying them of an incoming lawsuit, I bet not. That's the problem, we as gun owners bitch to ourselves and ffl's but don't take 2 minutes to...

That is a good plan but will eventually cause the closure of more small gun shops whose profit margin and existence depends on those sales.

Cool. My wife and I were in Gettysburg a few years ago and since nothing opened till a little later, we walked down to Sheriff's office In and out in about 20 minutes and she had her permit. Like I said, that was a few years ago so things may be different now.

I use Warren County and my first permit was a piece of paper all done online and mailed. Now, I renew online and they let me know when it's ready to pick up. One year to pick it up. Picture on plastic card taken when I go to pick it up. All said and done in about 15 minutes.

Yes, that is true, but you have to pick it up in person since they started putting photos on their permits. I've had mine when all it was, was a piece of paper but since they went plastic you have to pick it up in person.

Sorry I assumed it was a single action. Must be something in the release button but now I'm curious too.

I've seen this problem before. It may just be the cylinder pin is not quite in position or may have multi positions. Good luck

I understand what you are saying but can't see where the state will give up forcing FFL's to keep a log, check or no check.

The problem is that the FFL MUST keep a record of all ammo sales with all the information that is used on the ammunition background check. That record can be looked at by the State police anytime they feel like checking on the FFL simply because they can check for compliance on every aspect of...

They are not denying they are delaying and 99.9999% come back proceed within a day or two. It's just a flawed f'd up system. I personally think that is on purpose and by design.

It happens because they rolled out this system knowing full well it was full of flaws. Walmart, Runnings or the local FFL all go through the same system. Don't be confused because that is exactly what they wanted and is happening.

"I miss my lifetime home dearly, and resent those bureaucrats who are destroying it. But New Yorkistan will never be my home again." I hear ya. I guess I may be an old fool who doesn't know when to throw in the towel. If it's at all possible for me to stay near the things that I love, I will...

As I was saying, I agree that the grass is greener outside of NY, for now. I'm in a gun shop almost daily and hear a lot of bitching. When asked if they sent a simple email or called their representatives the answer is no 99% of the time. Do you vote? No sense in that is the biggest answer I...

Yea, for a short term answer. Look at elections that show red states going purple and some already to blue. Virginia as an example. We, as gun owners, tend to put our faith in the court system that has done little for us. Look at the news, Palestinian sympathizers taking to the streets daily and...

"Running a Check without a Transfer intended (test) is prohibited, additionally the type IS required (Handgun, Long Gun, Other/Frame/receiver)" Under the state system it's not that easy. They require specific make, model and serial number along with type. They also require name, address, phone...

The state background check is not as easy as the federal check was. The check has all the information for that specific firearm unlike the federal check. When a denied check occurs it doesn't end there. The ATF will follow up and want a copy of the 4473 and ask you what you did with that...

That's kind of my point. An FFL spends more time on the computer running background checks than mingling with their customers whether they buy or not thus hurting customer relations. There are customers who come right out and tell you they may have a problem with the NYNICS check but want to...

When a transaction is denied, which is very infrequent, the FFL has already spent a lot of time trying to sell the item. Is their time worth anything and would you work for nothing? A delay is another story as you just have to wait for a definitive answer. I've personally seen, not someone...

The state actually uses the federal NICS system and is just a middle man. The FFL still has to retain the 4473 for 20years as always per federal law. Not sure how Ammo sales are handled by the state as it is illegal to use the federal NICS system for anything other than a firearm or serialized part.

They are already doing so, that's how they operate.

I thought this was a thread about new background checks, but it now seems to be about bacon and fireworks.

Oh they can sell it but must ship to a NY FFL to pick up. That does not take a background check to do until you pick it up in NY. Have you witnessed a background check to a NYer who walked out the door legally?

Oh I do but also know the majority of gun owners won't bitch to anyone but themselves.

You may not like it, nor do I but our own government knows a lot more about you than many think they do. Unless you are a hermit and have absolutely no contact with anything you can and will be in their data base. Think about it, if you have a S.S. number they have been tracking you since birth.

He was just told they couldn't sell to NY residents. PA does have a state run background check system, maybe that has something to do with it.

It was a Henry lever action .410. My friend goes to PA every couple of weeks and is on a first name basis with numerous FFL's. I don't know if it's a law but why would several dealers not sell him a long gun? I'm telling you what happened in actuality not some hearsay that I heard from my...

About which part? A friend went to PA yesterday and could buy all the ammo he wanted but not one of the gun shops would sell him a long gun. So yes, I'd say I'm sure because I got first hand info from a very reliable source.

As it is right now PA businesses can't sell a firearm to a NY resident. Don't you think Hochul and James are already working with PA officials to ban them from selling ammo to us as we speak? Look, I don't agree with the data required to purchase ammo but I do know that by me calling and...

You are absolutely right but if a shop owner wants to stay in business, what choice do they have?

A very good friend of mine is an FFL and has told me there is no such form. They made their own with the required questions as they don't want to keep a customer standing right there while they conduct an interrogation. some of the questions that are required are name, address, telephone number...

I watched a friend get delayed on a gun and ammo yesterday. Went back today and bought 2 boxes of bird shot and got a proceed but the prior days purchase is still delayed. I feel the pain right along with you.

I doubt there is any FFL that can comply with all the regulations to operate their business. As an example, they must have a security camera showing the door from the inside and outside 24 hours a day and recordings kept for 2 years. After contacting their security people, a friend of mine told...

When you buy the gun one person does NICS check and gets the needed receipt then 2,3 or whatever people go to the county clerk and co-register it. One background check for the actual buyer. County clerk handles the rest. When the NICS check is done online or on the phone the serial number is...

No, the dealer obeyed the law and wasn't going to do anything to jeopardize his business. By the way, even if you pass a NICS check, the dealer is not obligated to sell it to you if he suspects something is not right. That is left up to any dealers discretion.

Very true but it is the law until somehow its changed.

It is much more of a hassle than you described. It don't really matter if its one day or a year FFL has to accept delivery, unpack it, log it in their book and then notify buyer that it is ready for pickup. some show up before it is logged in because tracking told them it was delivered and they...

By the description of those guns it looks like they all would predate the 4473

Exactly the way it's supposed to be done. Good to go.

MY response was one regarding yours that said it was lost in boating accident or just fell overboard. How can there be a buyer if your excuse is the gun was lost out on the lake?

Every state has their own laws for accepting out of state transfers. It is best to check with the party directly who will be accepting the transfer. NY requires every handgun to be on someones pistol permit or in the possession of an FFL. I suppose if you are in possession of a handgun not on...

The clerk would in all likelihood have you go to some law enforcement and file a lost or stolen form and get paperwork stating you did so. Ever lose a license plate in NY? The DMV won't replace it without you going to LE and reporting it lost or stolen. I'm pretty sure they won't make it easy...

I use them in a AR9. Had problems with Glock 17 mags but when using Amend 2 the problems disappeared.

Chicken Shoot, You kept telling me how wrong I am and then had Kristy respond in another post. It's been some time now and Kristy said she was going to check with the ATF people she works closely with. I'm wondering what she found out. If I'm wrong I will admit it and I would expect you to do...