Acer-m14
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watch this Felon interview and buckle up .. i bet he will go get his permit and training now that he is back out ..
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2A Lawsuits and their progress we have here in NY
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Acer-m14
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18 usc 241 and 242
18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
18 U.S. Code § 242 - Deprivation of rights under color of law
Saltwater60
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I believe it was kavanuagh who forced this into there or he wouldn’t sign onto it. I agree there were no permits back then but since the NYSPRA v Bruen was about NYS pistol permits if the Supreme Court struck them down how come we still have them and there’s no lawsuit challenging permits. Wouldn’t that be an easy one then?
They specifically allow for permits and safety training in the Bruen decision. You don’t have to like it but that’s what was said during the ruling.
camper4lyfe
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Yes. It was in Kavanagh’s concurrence. That doesn’t mean things can’t be challenged in the future, but for now they’re allowed.
I do believe He DID say that (paraphrasing) they shouldn’t be overly burdensome. So he didn’t completely say they’re ok no matter what. He left it open ended a bit.
Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
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It has to be a national tradition, not a state or area or territory here or there with said laws or prohibitions. So unless it's a historical tradition on a wide scale it can't stand. Random laws don't pass the test. They have tried that already in various courts and their attempts have been rejected.Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
State Constitutional Protections
Second Amendment Foundation
The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting a better understanding about our Constitutional heritage to privately own and possess firearms. To that end, we carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to better inform the public about the gun control debate.
JRtraderny
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That says NY has no protections but NYS Bill of Rights has it in it.Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
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Wrong, look at the number of states that restricted concealed weopons. Scalia mentions it in Heller.
No reread it, it is in NYS Civil rights law not the State Constitution there is a difference.
I'm talking about the post Bruen cases. I also called in and listened to one of the trials live on conference call where the judge said exactly that. The state tried to make a case of a handful of regulations and it was stated that while the judge wouldn't say exactly how many would need to be there for it to constitute a national tradition, he said it would certainly have to be more than a few and more than the state could find.
Saltwater60
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Correct and I’ve talked about that in other posts how they can’t be too expensive, too difficult to get, or take too long to receive.
I don’t know how it works but if they said they are ok here I doubt any challenge to permits for handguns would be ruled unconstitutional. I agree we didn’t have them in the early days. I could maybe see long gun permits being overturned but I do t see concealable handgun permits being overturned. Just my thoughts and I’m certainly not and expert.
Saltwater60
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This means nothing. Alaska wasn’t even a state when history, text, and tradition was around and established by the Supreme Court, in fact most state were not. This is just saying what the state’s constitution says currently and means nothing in the context of Bruen unless that was the rules between ratification of the US constitution of 1791 and many think up until the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868.Some may not like all of what History, Text and Tradition says or what they think it says.
State Constitutional Protections
Second Amendment Foundation
The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is dedicated to promoting a better understanding about our Constitutional heritage to privately own and possess firearms. To that end, we carry on many educational and legal action programs designed to better inform the public about the gun control debate.
Saltwater60
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Bruen expanded our rights and it has to be based in history, text, and tradition from certain timeframes. When we’re these state constitutions rarified? If it wasn’t between 1791 and 1868 it’s meaningless. Also one or two outliers do not make it a tradition or the rule of the land per Bruen. The rule between Heller and Bruen have drastically changed in our favor.
Seven of fourteen were ratified prior to 1868. I've done a lot of reading on this. And again Scalia mentioned it in Heller.
Bruen upheld that guns can be carried outside of the home. That's the "bear" part. So who cares what sates said you can't at some point in the past. It's meaningless.
Saltwater60
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I got it but I’m telling you this is what all the legal analysts are predicting this means after the Bruen decision. Maybe they are all wrong and you’re right but I’m going with what I read from 10-15 guys, sorry. The timeframe isn’t set or established to end at 1868, but that’s what many are saying since what the 14 amendment does. That date range may need to be finalized but my point is that many of states constitutions were set up outside of those dates and beyond them meaning those are largely meaningless.
JRtraderny
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I never said it was in the state constitution. Either way it's there.
Never said anything about "bear" did I? And what States did in the past is just what Bruen requires.
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ManualF150
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It doesn't matter. NY is above the law.
Acer-m14
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"Prohibits the sale of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition on state property including state and county fairgrounds, and county, city and municipal property; designates offense as a class A misdemeanor."
State and LEO exempt .. you know .. in case they want to do a gun buy back .
NY State Senate Bill 2023-S4911
Prohibits the sale of a firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition on state property including state and county fairgrounds, and county, city and municipal property; designates offense as a class A misdemeanor.
Saltwater60
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Then we win right? Case is over and we’re granted everything we asked for right?? HahaNew York Misses Filing Deadline In Antonyuk
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ManualF150
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I wish.
speedkills27
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It means it is our fault and we are fucked. Oh yeah... it's for the children too.
FrankenCub
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Probably means they will give NY another 6 months to get their shit together.
spat
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Well, you'll get called a troll if you advocate opinions the majority think are so ridiculous that no intelligent person could possibly hold them honestly.
But, unlike the leftist web sites, you won't get banned for it, or for presenting evidence that questions our worldview.
So you are free to convince people here you're right and we're wrong.
Go on a leftist site like DU and you'll be banned the second you post a link to an article that even suggests men don't menstruate.
maverick52
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They responded. Same nonesense. 3/20 will tell us alot.