80% glock lower with a serial number.

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  1. Saltwater60

    Saltwater60 .338 Win Mag

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    My dads a cop and found some guy with a glock slide and barrel in .357 sig. he ran the serial number and it failed to come back on anything. It has a serial number, but he doesn’t think it an actual glock frame.

    Do you guys know of a company that makes an 80% glock frame with a serial number. I saw you could send it out for a serial number, but doubt this scumbag of a drug dealer would do so.
     
  2. Bullet Guy

    Bullet Guy .308 Win NYGF Vendor Monthly Shot Winner

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    Glock slide and barrel?

    Just parts?

    I am confused? Did he find an actual lower? Glock style pistols serialize the lowers.

    And no, no company (that makes the 80% to sell) serializes 80%. Why would they?
     
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  3. spat

    spat .308 Win

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    Even if a company did make a serialized 80% lower, they wouldn't be making barrels and uppers with matching serial numbers.

    My guess, those are serial numbers for aftermarket parts that do not require serial numbers, but the manufacturer adds their own for QC purposes.

    If you wanted to track the serial numbers you would have to call the manufacturer of the aftermarket parts.
     
  4. Airborneguy

    Airborneguy .308 Win LEO / LEA

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    Running gun serial numbers in NY only returns hits on guns that were previously entered into the system for specific reasons, not simply the permitting system. That can’t be accessed the same way.
     
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  5. Podmonkey

    Podmonkey .450/400 Nitro Ex Monthly Shot Winner U.S. Military

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    Doesn't a serial# defeat the whole purpose of an 80% frame in the first place?
     
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  6. Magnus

    Magnus 6.5 Creedmoor

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    Only reason someone would seeialize it is if they were going to register it.
     
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  7. Saltwater60

    Saltwater60 .338 Win Mag

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    Thats what I was as thinking. Thanks. I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t something I was missing. Of course the cops don’t know anything about guns so my dad asked me. The guns at the ATF now so I can’t see it. When it gets back he’s going to let me slchexk it out so I should know more the.
     
  8. Saltwater60

    Saltwater60 .338 Win Mag

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    Yes according to him the frame is seralized. The barrel and slide are not. He said the barrel and slide were factory glock with glock stampings.

    I figured the 80% frames were not seralized because your right why would they.

    I’m wondering if it is one of those ghost guns from the Philippines or some other country. If not where would the serial number come from. My dad has a picture and will get it to me tomorrow. Not sure how much that will help though. He couldn’t even tell me if there were any machining marks on the frame. He didn’t want to mess with it because he was sending it out for DNA testing.
     
  9. Saltwater60

    Saltwater60 .338 Win Mag

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    He said he ran it against the NICS system and it’s at the ATF now, but the guy at the ATF said any upper or lower is considered a firearm so who knows what they are talking about because that does not seem right to me.
     
  10. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 6.5 Creedmoor

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    With out seek the frame, but if it has a sn and using factory glock parts it could be a Lone Wolf as Timberwolf frame. It's an actual serialized frame needs to go through an FFL takes all gen 3 OEM glock parts

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  11. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    Most likely correct.
     
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  12. Saltwater60

    Saltwater60 .338 Win Mag

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    Well I was supposed to get a picture today, but didn’t. I’ll see what I can do.
     
  13. Trauma47645

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    Factory Glock slides and barrels have serial numbers on then
     
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  14. Truebeliever

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    If I were to buy a 80% lower, having a serial number might be a good thing.

    Go get into a shooting without a serial number. I think they would charge that person with removing it unless they explained it was a 80% lower which kind of goes against 5th Admendment protections. Meaning they might not even ask questions about it because they can’t and just arrest that person.

    It also goes against the “ghost gun” claim they would make at a trial( civil or criminal).
     
  15. Shoots100

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    If your caught with a pistol that has a serial number that's not on your permit, your fucked anyway.
    Most people build them for SHTF circumstances, so if they need to be used, getting caught isn't a concern.
     
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  16. Bullet Guy

    Bullet Guy .308 Win NYGF Vendor Monthly Shot Winner

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    It is illegal to deface a serial number. Not having a serial number is not defacing it.

    There are millions of guns with no serial numbers. This is not a new thing......
     
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  17. Truebeliever

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    I understand. I’m tempted myself to get one for that reason. A serial number wouldn’t matter then, either way. As far as tracking the owner , if it became illegal to possess, the government has raided one of these companies before and tracked the owners by that company’s sale records. So if one used other means to disguise one’s identity from the company, the serial number wouldn’t matter.
     
  18. Truebeliever

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    Yes but how many polymer handguns don’t have serial numbers? Not many. Do you think that they might charge you with a defaced firearm in their ignorance of your completed 80% lower. And you don’t get chance to explain because you invoked your 5th Admendment protections earlier, so they aren’t even going to ask the question.
     
  19. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    Just because you bought one from a company, it doesn't mean you have one. You could have sold it, screwed it up trying to build it out of state, ect.

    There is absolutely no way they can get you for a possession charge if you don't have it.
     
  20. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    They can charge you for whatever they want. Once you prove it's an 80 percent, the defaced charge goes away.

    Anyway, in NY this isn't something you'll use out in public.
     
  21. Truebeliever

    Truebeliever .45 acp

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    Yes, they have prove it. But imagine of someone made it and used in a shooting. The words “ghost gun” would be used at trial.
    Just a doubt if it’s defaced gun will make an arrest much more likely even if it’s not used and only posssesed.

    A serial number just keeps that from coming up .
    Even the over the counter black powder revolvers have serial numbers as well as conversion cylinders . A serial number just negates that .issue
     
  22. freddy

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    A ghost gun is nothing more than a homemade gun. Like mom's apple pie.
     
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  23. freddy

    freddy .308 Win

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    If the shooting was justified and the homemade gun legal, then there is no problem.
     
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  24. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    Yep. If put on your permit with your own fabricated serial number, it's legal. If built and kept in your cabin in PA without a serial number, it's legal.
     
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  25. freddy

    freddy .308 Win

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    Or better yet, put it on NY permit without serial number.
     
  26. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    Is that possible? Probably county specific? If so, that would be a way to have unlimited handguns they don't know about.
     
  27. freddy

    freddy .308 Win

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    Can't get what you don't ask for.
     
  28. Truebeliever

    Truebeliever .45 acp

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    At the end of the day, maybe. I don’t know about you but if I was on a justifiable shooting and I could avoid any jail time, I would. Remember the arrest is probable cause. A gun without a serial number would be more probable than not that it was defaced without a statement from someone that the gun was legally Home made and not bought or adquired without a serial number.

    Think of how many people were involved in a justifiable shooting but were arrested for an illegal gun. Just for the illegal gun.

    And yes, at the end of the day, one might be vindicated in court but you might not. And the legal cost might be substantial.

    And in a civil case litigation or in a criminal trial, the term “ghost gun” or “drop gun” because the lack of serial number.

    But like I said, I would still consider a 80% lower for a SHTF case scenario
     
  29. Willjr75

    Willjr75 .450/400 Nitro Ex U.S. Military

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    TB, these polymer 80 percent lowers do not look like stock Glocks. Anyone that knows anything about Glocks knows an 80 percent just by looking at them.

    No cop is going to mistake them for a stock, defaced Glock. Where the serial number is supposed to be is a non removable rail.
     
  30. Edwardteach72

    Edwardteach72 6.5 Creedmoor

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    I disagree. I have met plenty of police who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a xd glock and a smith

    And I sure know most cops especially here in NY if they see that there is no SN will instantly call it defaced arrest you send the gun off to the lab and let the courts figure it out.
     
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