9mm Major

[Marine Cpl]

I'm thinking you should read the first page

I did. Plenty of times. First post says what you said. Then the question on why it isn’t more popular. Then you compare it to the Super. Then I said that the Super is actually a real caliber that’s used. Then you lost your shit. You go on to say that it’s only alive because of competition, that I should head to my local gun shop to try and purchase it, etc. Then comes the Europe vs Latin America nonsense. Then you don’t care BS and other BS about .380’s. It’s all there my boy.

 

[71velle]

Some local guys shoot USPA and load for 9 major, seems like some serious loads. In talking to them they didnt think my G34 would be a good pistol, they favored the heavy metal pistols for that.

If not shooting in the games I cant see any reason to make/buy or use the round.

BTW, whats the argument here?? I havent read the first page

 

[Edwardteach72]

I did. Plenty of times. First post says what you said. Then the question on why it isn’t more popular. Then you compare it to the Super. Then I said that the Super is actually a real caliber that’s used. Then you lost your shit. You go on to say that it’s only alive because of competition, that I should head to my local gun shop to try and purchase it, etc. Then comes the Europe vs Latin America nonsense. Then you don’t care BS and other BS about .380’s. It’s all there my boy.

Yup I compared it to the super because those 2 rounds are currently relevant this day in age because of competition shooting.

You brought up latin America and gang members or what ever. And that super was so super popular in these other countries.. i tried to ask you why do you think its popular in those countries and you were the one who lost their shit and said I didnt know what I was talking about .

So because i have to say all this again for what the 30th time.

38 super popular in military ammo ban countries because competition shooting is a thing. .38 super can be spiced up to make major PF for IPSC .

38 super was developed in 1920 di mediocre and then fell to the wasteside. Here comes competition shooting like IPSC, their rules state in limited and open divisions are scored based on major and minor PF. This power is based on bullet weight and speed.. at the time .45acp was major pf and 9mm was only getting minor.

Well someone realized they could spice up a 38super bullet and make major pf and stuff a bunch more ammo in a magazine vs using 45acp.

The same was happening here in the states with USPSA (bet money you didnt watch the video, it explains a good but) and people (mostly single stack .45acp boys didnt like this) so they made a rule change that major PF must also be. 40 caliber minimum.

So no 38 super or the what 355sw I cant remember the caliber in the video to be used in major power factor.

Well that means nothing to the rest of the world or even those here in the states that shoot IPSC so that's why they stick with .38super

And along the same lines someone realized if the go outside the saami OAL of the 9mm and fill the case with a shit load if powder they can also make major and they just called it 9mm major... it does the same thing as the 38 super, smaller diameter case so you can jam more ammo in the magazines and get scored by major power factor.

Well why isnt 9mm major more popular... hmmm well it's a gammer gun round for a very specific group of shooters.

And again if IPSC decided to make the 40cal rule for major like USPSA did then 38super wouldnt be able to make major pf and neither would 9mm major, and if that happens guess what happens to the popularity..... I'm going to pretend you are smart and can figure that out..

38 super may still stick around for a few ban countries to shoot minor pf but I would bet more people would develop a "new non military 40 caliber" to take the place of 38 super and shoot major pf.


So once again dude where was my wrong information. Where was me getting schooled because I didnt know what I'm talking about?

At best you mistook what kev said about why 38 super is popular in other countries and ran with it and from that point on YOU lost your shit about me apparently not knowing what I was talking about

 

[Marine Cpl]

Some local guys shoot USPA and load for 9 major, seems like some serious loads. In talking to them they didnt think my G34 would be a good pistol, they favored the heavy metal pistols for that.

If not shooting in the games I cant see any reason to make/buy or use the round.

BTW, whats the argument here?? I havent read the first page

Don’t bother reading it. It turns to shit afterwards. My question was why hasn’t it picked up a following. Kind of like the .45 Super or SMC has.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yup I compared it to the super because those 2 rounds are currently relevant this day in age because of competition shooting.

You brought up latin America and gang members or what ever. And that super was so super popular in these other countries.. i tried to ask you why do you think its popular in those countries and you were the one who lost their shit and said I didnt know what I was talking about .

So because i have to say all this again for what the 30th time.

38 super popular in military ammo ban countries because competition shooting is a thing. .38 super can be spiced up to make major PF for IPSC .

38 super was developed in 1920 di mediocre and then fell to the wasteside. Here comes competition shooting like IPSC, their rules state in limited and open divisions are scored based on major and minor PF. This power is based on bullet weight and speed.. at the time .45acp was major pf and 9mm was only getting minor.

Well someone realized they could spice up a 38super bullet and make major pf and stuff a bunch more ammo in a magazine vs using 45acp.

The same was happening here in the states with USPSA (bet money you didnt watch the video, it explains a good but) and people (mostly single stack .45acp boys didnt like this) so they made a rule change that major PF must also be. 40 caliber minimum.

So no 38 super or the what 355sw I cant remember the caliber in the video to be used in major power factor.

Well that means nothing to the rest of the world or even those here in the states that shoot IPSC so that's why they stick with .38super

And along the same lines someone realized if the go outside the saami OAL of the 9mm and fill the case with a shit load if powder they can also make major and they just called it 9mm major... it does the same thing as the 38 super, smaller diameter case so you can jam more ammo in the magazines and get scored by major power factor.

Well why isnt 9mm major more popular... hmmm well it's a gammer gun round for a very specific group of shooters.

And again if IPSC decided to make the 40cal rule for major like USPSA did then 38super wouldnt be able to make major pf and neither would 9mm major, and if that happens guess what happens to the popularity..... I'm going to pretend you are smart and can figure that out..

38 super may still stick around for a few ban countries to shoot minor pf but I would bet more people would develop a "new non military 40 caliber" to take the place of 38 super and shoot major pf.


So once again dude where was my wrong information. Where was me getting schooled because I didnt know what I'm talking about?

At best you mistook what kev said about why 38 super is popular in other countries and ran with it and from that point on YOU lost your shit about me apparently not knowing what I was talking about

Forget it dude. Don’t waste your time. I’m done reading your BS on this thread.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Some local guys shoot USPA and load for 9 major, seems like some serious loads. In talking to them they didnt think my G34 would be a good pistol, they favored the heavy metal pistols for that.

If not shooting in the games I cant see any reason to make/buy or use the round.

BTW, whats the argument here?? I havent read the first page

Yea I wouldnt run major in a glock, I'm sure someone has, but I believe 9mm major is getting around the same psi the 9x23 which is around 55,000 and 9mm+p is only about 38,000psi (saami spec)

As for the argument, he wanted to know why it wasn't more popular. I said because it's a gamer round. Then I said to think of 9mm major as 38 super

Someone wanted to shoot open and major pf scoring and get as much ammo in their mags as possible and using a smaller diameter case (38 and 9mm) gets more than you standard major pf ammo of the day .45acp

And from then on out something something I guess got schooled and dont know what I'm talking about because 38 super is popular in other countries (let's leave out the fact almost all those countries heavily regulate gun ownership and most if not all civilian handguns that are owned are for sporting purposes aka IPSC or similar competition)

 

[Edwardteach72]

Don’t bother reading it. It turns to shit afterwards. My question was why hasn’t it picked up a following. Kind of like the .45 Super or SMC has.

And yet 9mm major does have a following, weird its actually a thing in the competition world, guys take strong guns and handload 9mm past saami specs and call it 9mm major because it's the bullet weight times the speed equal the number that is set for major power factor.

Go to any action handgun match uspsa or IPSC and ask hey have you heard if 9mm major and I bet they have... why? Because it's a thing, it has a following.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And yet 9mm major does have a following, weird its actually a thing in the competition world, guys take strong guns and handload 9mm past saami specs and call it 9mm major because it's the bullet weight times the speed equal the number that is set for major power factor.

Go to any action handgun match uspsa or IPSC and ask hey have you heard if 9mm major and I bet they have... why? Because it's a thing, it has a following.

Like I said, I’m done reading your BS on this thread. Waste your time typing if you like.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Forget it dude. Don’t waste your time. I’m done reading your BS on this thread.

Yup because you have yet to tell me how I was wrong and how you are right. Instead you deflect and talk in circles then accuse me of doing so and all I've done is ok yea talk in circles because I dont know how many times I've explained what 9mm major is and why it exists and then why its not more popular, mainly here in the states where USPSA is a huge factor in competition and 9mm cant be major pf

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yup because you have yet to tell me how I was wrong and how you are right. Instead you deflect and talk in circles then accuse me of doing so and all I've done is ok yea talk in circles because I dont know how many times I've explained what 9mm major is and why it exists and then why its not more popular, mainly here in the states where USPSA is a huge factor in competition and 9mm cant be major pf

Like I said. I’m done reading your BS.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Like I said, I’m done reading your BS on this thread. Waste your time typing if you like.

Not a waste of my time.. maybe there is someone out there that was thinking of getting a 38 super or something to handle 9mm major for competition because oh it makes the special number for the minimum to count as major (I think 165 is the number) but didnt know that USPSA ruled that major pf must also be .40cal or larger and so now they may think hmm I'll be shooting uspsa not IPSC so neither of those rounds will benefit me much. (Especially if they are in NY and stuck with 10 round magazines, so their best option was to shoot limited 10) and to get the best score possible they should maybe look at a .40cal or even. 45acp guns

 

[Edwardteach72]

Like I said. I’m done reading your BS.

Didnt know facts are now BS? Sorry not sorry you get so defensive with new information. Must be hard trying to learn and evolve as a person if you cant accept new knowledge if just because it doesnt match up with your already chosen verdict coming into the topic

 

[71velle]

Don’t bother reading it. It turns to shit afterwards. My question was why hasn’t it picked up a following. Kind of like the .45 Super or SMC has.

No following because it doesn't make sence. I cant see any reason to do it unless playing the games. I could be wrong but if one wanted a more powerful 9mm it might be better to start with a 38 super anyway.

Also HP bullets are designed to work with in certain velocities so in a crazy heavy loading the bullet may not perform well with the increased velocity.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No following because it doesn't make sence. I cant see any reason to do it unless playing the games. I could be wrong but if one wanted a more powerful 9mm it might be better to start with a 38 super anyway.

Also HP bullets are designed to work with in certain velocities so in a crazy heavy loading the bullet may not perform well with the increased velocity.

Well it would make sense for me kind of like the 9mm +P or +P+ would make sense for me. If one wanted to use hollow points, the same ones that are made for the .357 Sig could be used. Something like this would be for hard barrier penetration and or pushing a 147 gr hard cast to 1250 to 1300 fps.

 

[Edwardteach72]

No following because it doesn't make sence. I cant see any reason to do it unless playing the games. I could be wrong but if one wanted a more powerful 9mm it might be better to start with a 38 super anyway.

Also HP bullets are designed to work with in certain velocities so in a crazy heavy loading the bullet may not perform well with the increased velocity.

Some of the reading ivs seen back when I was researching about making major pf without going to .40sw (I was looking at .357sig/38super/9major before realizing I would be shooting in uspsa style so none would actually be scored as major) is many handloaders will do 9major just because it's cheaper. With brass being easier to get and less expensive (since its just 9mm brass)

 

[Marine Cpl]

Didnt know facts are now BS? Sorry not sorry you get so defensive with new information. Must be hard trying to learn and evolve as a person if you cant accept new knowledge if just because it doesnt match up with your already chosen verdict coming into the topic

Like I said. I’m done reading your BS. You will get this same response every time you quote me in this thread.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Like I said. I’m done reading your BS. You will get this same response every time you quote me in this thread.

Hey cool

 

[71velle]

Well it would make sense for me kind of like the 9mm +P or +P+ would make sense for me. If one wanted to use hollow points, the same ones that are made for the .357 Sig could be used. Something like this would be for hard barrier penetration and or pushing a 147 gr hard cast to 1250 to 1300 fps.

Some of the complaints about the 357 sig is that the bullets can fragmentate on impact from what I have read.

The guys who load the 9mm major F around a bunch and have some issues too. Its just pushing too hard. Many of the guys who load it will only use the case once. Its kinda experimental territory.

It sounds to me like you need a 10mm....

 

[ECU Pirates]

Like I said. I’m done reading your BS.

You know you read it. My gosh you two breaking up again? Over a bs useless cartridge?haaaaa